Too early for this thread really. I believe it to be Cadwell 3 August 1946.

Thanks Geoff. Fourth from left looks like a Scott?

Hi gents, does anyone know when bike events resumed after ww2 ?

Not entirely sure, although the Manx was held in September '46. There were issues around petrol; for some reason low octane juice was all that was available and I think this was the case for a few years.

Debut of this fine one...

I think my earlier picture was actually 25 August 1946 (a Sunday) - I have seen a newspaper supplement saying there was racing at Cadwell on that day. That publication also has a photo claimed to have been taken on Easter Sunday that year - that seems to have been 21 April 1946.

Hi gents, a little bit quiet here recently ... anybody out there

Morning Renn
Nice Manx low sitter.Not Eric is it?
HW

Well, well, what a small world. Last week I received a PM from Bernd Bouillon giving me the location of Ernst Degner's grave on the Canary Islands. The very same day, a copy of STEALING SPEED by Mat Oxley arrived in the post, the biography of Degner. It should prove to be an interesting (if controversial) read.

Morning Herr, it's not Eric.... but there's a well known English chap in this shot, not neccessarily famous of his racing exploits only...

Hi Paul, I wonder if you have you received my PM re Fergus Andersons memorial ??

Morgen Renn, is it Edgar Strub and Mick Wollett? Is it really a Manx?

Perfect, Russ...

Does anybody know Peter Wollett ? Relative to Mick ?

http://racingmemo.free.fr/MOTO-GP-classements_57-SID.htm

Flamin' eck Russ,
I was just about to pull thegun from its holster and you shot me down!
ATB HW

And I havent had me breakfast yet......

I don't think Ive ever heard of Peter Woollett.

it' s not a BMW and the oil tank looks a lot Manxish... what are you thinking about ??

It flashed through my mind that Edgar raced a Be'em.......did he later? But Herr (Morgen), and yourself are right, after all what else was raced then ?

I see from the TT database that he did. Obviously a Manx though

Doesn't look like Mick Woollett's head, does it ? Is it Stan Dibben ?

Here he is in '59 at that years longest fag ash competition.

Good one ! I understand Helmut fath had skills in that field, as well....

I think that on the continent the Gilera Saturno was used,and (Renn will know this) didn't Horex and NSU make some big parallel twins that the chair boys used?
HW

There were some Horex outfits using the engine of the roadgoing Horex Imperator ( the Honda bomber engine has quite some resemblence, BTW), but they were not competitive, not even against the pushrod BMWs. IIRC Enders started his career on a Horex outfit, but gained his int. licence by winning the 500 cc solo junior championship on a Manx.

The NSU parallel twin was the pre war supercharged motor, eligible for national races then since Germany was banned by the FIM from international competition till '51. So within Germany anythiny which still ran was allowed...

Interesting shot - do we know who it is ? And is this the Norrisring ?

They are Böhm/Fuchs, the shot is labelled as being taken at the Feldbergrennen ( close to Frankfurt), but I have my doubts because this was a pure road circuit thus being not so wide as the pic shows...but the shot doesn't show the typical Norisring scenery either ...

Your final word on the subject? Welcome Mike

Errrrrrrrrr yes welcome Mike

The location is Norisring 1949!



With the 1949-1951-layout:



Regards

Jürgen

Hi Jürgen, could you please give us a hint what bend it actually is.... 2nd or3rd after the start ??

Gents, how does one delete/move a post - please? Something odd...Ive got no delete button on my post

It´s a difficult question!
There are two possibilities: the corner marked with an red arrow and the yellow one. My opinion is, that the yellow arrow is correct. On my website there are more pics of 1949-51. Please compare.....



Jürgen

Thanks for the info Jurgen. One of the World's more odd locations for a racing circuit ? As my German is almost non existent, is racing still held there?

Thanks Jürgen

Yes, Russell, the Norisring is still in use (but with a different layout since 1952). Every year, since 1947, one or two races happened at the Norisring. Next month will see the DTM (Deutsche Tourenwagen Mesierschaft) again. Further informations here: Norisring.

Jürgen

Not a chicane in sight....... Anybody wanna have a punt on thses guys?

I expect i'm wrong Russ , but Geoff Duke and Reg Armstrong ??

Think positive Phil...... cos your sort of correct - Reg is amongst them !

I wonder if the white area on the base of the trees is padding or that stuff they paint on to stop termites and like munching 'em ?

I think i'm thinking positive Russ Artie Bell also ??

Perhaps the white area means they are in charge

2nd one Artie Bell ?

Yes Gents, Reg Armstrong, 7R, then Artie Bell, Norton, 1949. Do we know where?

I don't, just a wild guess...Assen ? Anyway, the trees look terribly solid..

Don't they ever.... The records say Assen was the venue but I'm confused by the trees. But then hasn't Assen been rerouted a few times, even before the latest mucking about that has happened there? Oh, what about the last guy ? Clue: he's an antipodean.

The first race in Assen was held in '25 on a 28,4 km long circuit. It was shortened to 16,5 km , then shortened to 7,7 km in '55, then shortend to 4,5 km in 2006....now after some more alterations it's another mickey mouse circuit. So don't blame Oulton,Mallory etc., it's just the way it is... and Spa and especially eau rouge is not the same as it was 40 years ago, ok it's lot safer, I have to admit

No clue about the 3rd rider in your pic, Russ.... re Artie Bell, his career was cut short by in a rather tragic way, wasn't it

It's the 350 Dutch in 1949, and I believe that the third rider is Harry "One-eye" Hinton.

Yes, near enough Larry, it is Harry snr, Grandad to one of the forum's punters.

Just come back onto the board again and reading the latest posts.Interesting about Horex's,I had never seen one but remember a german guy in the Island talking abiut them and calling them "noise machines" Did they have a distinctive note ?...

Not particular noisy, IIRC, just another twin with open pipes..

Edit: Most famous Horex tuner was Friedel Münch, BTW

Yes, wasn't he badly injured after the tyres on several of the factory Nortons just disintergrated ?

The Norton team used Dunlop tyres in '50 which had a tendency to disintegrate, but as far as I know never caused a serious crash, but Duke lost at least the 500 cc championship by these tyre failures. Then they switched to Avon .

Artie Bell crashed at La Source in '50 when he hit Graham's AJS. Graham had come off after touching Bandirola's rear wheel trying to outbreak him.. that's what the records tell. One arm was badly injured (paralyzed ?), which of course ended his career

Renn, I don't think I could be accussed of being overly cynical if I suggested that most of theses alterations are done because it's far cheaper than say moving earth banks or other obstructions. And yes, speeds have increased and people are more litigious, but in the case of most of the British circuits - most of which were below par before any changes anyway - circuit owners must be aware that they are in grave danger of derailing their own gravy train ?