It's been very quiet on here lately.

You all must be younger folk on the later, but not so great years. (Hmmm )

An easy guess who for you older lads.


Sorry Try this!

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no piccky,try again cp

Is it Barry Randle?

Do keep the pictures coming - I'm a great fan of the late sixties/early seventies!

i knowthis is not him,but do you remember martin carney?,the name just popped into my head from the past.

Yes, Barry Randle

Does anyone have any information him now?


Martin Carney. from memory, he was very good on a Bultaco.

I could go and look him up from the old programms but I'll stick with the Bultaco for now.


Which reminds me of this Bultaco rider, Kevin Cass.

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and also

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Probably slightly outside this era but I recall the first three years at Lydden Hill and seeing Charley Sanby winning race after race. His AJS/Matchless bikes all wore immaculate metallic dark blue Peel Mountain Mile fairings - the very best looking in my opinion - and although Charlie was a big man, he was fast and very stylish. Somewhere I have some colour slides of him at Lydden but it would take weeks to find them. It would be nice to see pictures of him again, Classicpics.

Get looking Paul!! we can wait!.... (a little while ;) )

Talking about Martin Carney - what does he, John Blanchard and Dan Shorey have in common? (An easy one!).

I remember Charlie Sanby bringing three bikes to Llandow once in the sixties - as you say Paul, all with the metallic blue peel fairings with a gold stripe and absolutely immaculate. They were a 7R, 500 Manx and a 650 Triton I believe. There are some good shots of him on the Morton's Archive site.

Did they all come from Banbury?

Charlie Sanby's nephew Scott posted on this thread about a year ago. I wonder how he got on with collecting photos of his late uncle? It would be nice to see some of his pictures.

Rod Gould also came from Banbury IIRC

The think the common link to those three riders is that they all rode with a white neckerchief and an old fashion pudding basin helmet. Martin Carney and John Blanchard had very similar helmet designs where as Dan Shorey had a plain white.
My fathers rider Martin Watson had many a great dice with all three of them probably at the same time as the racing in the mid 60's was very competitive on the British short circuits. I seem to remember that Matin Carney rode only small bikes 125 & 250 where as the other two rode in all classes as did Martin Watson who had a full stable of 125 & 250 Bultaco,s and 350 & 500 Norton,s.

cheers
Peter

Yes pmboy - what I had in mind was indeed the white neckerchief that all three wore as a facemask.

I found this picture of Gary Hocking looking very relaxed, thought it might be of interest to his fans.
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cheers
Peter

What a great photo!!

Yes Peter, thanks for that. That back tyre looks a bit worse for wear. Mind you, looking at that megaphone, the carburation is spot on.
Would you happen to know any details of the pic, ie, when, where, who´s machine, what machine (7R, G50?) and what is that transporter. Doesn´t look like a transit as it´s very low. I´m guessing it was taken in SA as Gary looks very young (19-20?).
I know these might sound like trivial questions, but Gary was, and still is, one of my idols, so any new and previously unseen pics, as well as infomation relating to said pics, would be greatly appreciated.

Looks a bit like a LWB Land Rover

No: it is not a LWB Land Rover for certain. I think it will be either a Big Ford or Cheverolet Panel van with either a V8 or straight 6 motor. The picture was taken at the Roy Hesketh circuit circa 1960 and the round trip for all Rhodesian riders would have been close to 3,000 miles so they always chose some vehicle which could travel fairly quickly.
I will try and find more info once I get home tonight.

cheers
Peter

Tell me about it.

Banbury Dan

A very quick rider and I can't remember him ever crashing, or cleaning his bike!

I may be wrong but I believe that when Dan Shorey left the sport, a bit like Percy Tait and Chris Conn, he never returned to do the 'nostalgia thing'.

The evergreen Percy Tait, 500 Triumph twin.

Classic Pics,
Great pictures keep it up. To add to your comment on Dan Shorey I agree about never cleaning his bike they certainly were some of the dirtest around the paddock in the 60's. The bikes were certainly reliable enough as he was one of the greats of British short circuit racing winning a lot of races and championships in the 60's.
I can recall one particular incident at Cadwell circa 68 were he and Rod Gould tangled coming over the mountain. Rod did a huge wheelie on his Norton and then come down on the back of Dan and they then dissapeared into Hall bends in all of a tangle it was a real surprise that they both made it around and on two wheels. great days great racing.
cheers
peter

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Paul Rochdale
[B]Those red and white Kirby machines were always immaculate. Presumably Tom Kirby is no longer with us, and I wonder what became of his Hornchurch motorcycle shop? I'd read that he was more a sort of father figure than a hands on engine tuner. Does anyone know more about Tom?


Tom Kirby's motorcycle shop was at RONEO CORNER ,back in the day his Metisse race bikes were
always on public display in the "showroom",it was only a small shop but always clean and tidy.

As a teenager these bikes were pure unobtainium and to be able to stand and gawp at them thru the window after hours was a real treat.Back then my older brother rode british bikes,part of the pleasure of owning a british bike was the constant need for spare parts to keep or get them on the road.Tom's shop always had a constant trickle of people popping in to buy copious amounts of RED HERMETITE and GASKET SETS (pre silicone sealer days).

The shop and the racebikes were sold when Tom retired,The premises continued as a motorcycle
shop with the growing japanese roadbike domination it became DAYTONA MOTORCYCLES a sister branch to another at Ruislip.then much later in the 90's a nondescript car dealers which it remains to this day.

Tom Kirby had a brother REG who ran his own motorbike shop in GREEN LANE Dagenham,They didn't get on and never spoke to each other (some brothers are like that ha ha!) :yawn:

Who is it (Yes the signature is still on) and what is he riding?

Dave Burgess on his 250 Greeves "Silverstone".

Now who the heck is Dave Burgess???

i remember racing against a trevor burgess who rode a greeves in the early 70's.

Trevor Burgess - and on the Villiers Starmaker?

I don't know who the driver is but I believe that the the bike is a Greeves, not a Villiers. The front fork, brake and fairing are quite characteristic.

Definitely Greeves Silverstone. The 350cc version was called the "Oulton". I like the 'Jet' helmet.

ah sorry,i know it's a greeves(i had one) i was just doing thumbs up to the reply, i started racing on a silverstone it was as slow as my granny

Of course - Trevor Burgess was pictured on a Greeves Silverstone! In my befuddlement I was thinking of Peter Inchley who rode the factory Villiers Starmaker !

Both were slow even compared to my Bultaco!

Peter Inchley 250 Villiers 1965

10th on the first lap of the 1965 IoM Lightweight race, but retired on the second lap.

Derek Minter finished in 9th place on his cotton.

Rex Butcher 250 Cotton 1965 IoM

One really wonders why so many Brit companies picked the Villiers lump for racing use...

T54 ! Nice to have you back May I take advantage of your presence on the forum to ask you if you could identify the riders below ? This picture is from a race at Montlhéry in 1969 and was taken by Jean-Claude Arnold and posted by him on the "Mémoire des Stands" blog . The only rider I think I recognize is Jean Auréal on the official Sonauto Yamaha at the very top , but since those were "your" years I was hoping you could name a few other !

"One really wonders why so many Brit companies picked the Villiers lump for racing use..."

Well what alternative was there? The Starmaker engine was derived from their motocross engine, was light, simple and available.

did Bill Ivy cut his teeth on a Cotton racer? did that have a Villiers engine?

about 35 years ago ,i spoke to a chap in Chalk Farm,Camden who told me he owned
Bill Ivy's Cotton racer and he had been offered a brand new Norton Commando as a straight swap by someone at NVT as it was then

I think Bill Ivy started on a 50cc Itom before moving onto the Chisholms 125 Honda CR93 .He did ride a Cotton I saw him on it . He also rode Geoff Montys Monards and Tom Arters bikes before signing for Yamaha

Don't forget he also raced Tom Kirby's bikes too.

Hi Philippe!
I am so busy and have so little time to spend on this great forum... I wish you as well as to all here, a Merry Christmas.
To answer your question, behind Jean Aureal and the TR2 is the A1R Kawasaki of my friend Roland Zerchot, the first man on the planet who built cast-alloy wheels for racing motorcycles as well as the first 4-into-1 exhaust system for the 750cc Honda.
To the right of Jean, I know all these fellows but I have to get back to my brain cells to figure out who they are because of my early Alzheimers disease signs!
The 350cc Aermacchi could be that of Barone. Next is a 7R of ??? but the green Manx is Philippe Canoui. Next is a Manx belonging to a fellow called Chevallier from Lyon, no relation with the later one who was racing a 50cc Mondial at that time in the "Jeunes Tigres" for Georges Monneret. I will check my files to find out the others. This appears to have been taken at the Coupes du Salon, my last race in Doulce France before I split to the Evil Empire for good.
Kind regards,

T54

yes I'd forgotten about Tom Kirby's bikes. I'snt it amazing that most of the 'stars' of yesterday jumped from bike to bike team to team with very few problems on the riding side . I would like to see most of todays crop of riders do 2-3 or more races a day . Bring back proper race bikes and the good old National and International meetings in U.K and elsewhere !!!!

Something slightly different ...


Copyright: Bruce Preston

Mike Krauser in 1956 raced a banking sidecar similar to the design used before the war by a famous British racer, Freddie Dixon.

Found here: http://tinyurl.com/23dp2x

Salut Philippe et joyeux Noël également

What I know is that this race was at a joint cars and bikes meeting, which would indeed fit with the "Coupes du Salon " if my memory serves me right

On the site of Vincent Glon, there is a chapter where he tries to collect as many results of the French races as possible, the link to the year 1969 is
http://racingmemo.free.fr/M%20FRANCE/MOTO%...ANCE%201969.htm
and that joint 350/500 race was apparently won by Auréal from the Norton of Patrick Lefèvre

Hi Philippe,
I know the site well because I have contributed to it thanks to the magazines I kept from that time. I wish that the author would also post other placings since I provided them to him.
I will do my best to get the names on the picture sorted out ASAP.

THIS IS ON E-BAY AT THE MOMENT Item number: 350004590956

500CC MANX NORTON EX-DAN SHOREY

SAYS RACED AT IOM 1960 TT

ANYONE OUT THERE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS BIKE?

WAS IN BILL LOMAS' SHOP FOR MANY YEARS
LOOKS A PEACH TIME WARP

Its only just up the road from me!!....sadly I dont even have 15000pence!!

The TT database has Dan down for the MGP in 1960 (9th in the Senior) - and the TT proper in 1961 (Retired in the Senior). In the Ebay photographs I see that the bike has the earlier "Oldhams Coupling" bevel drive to the camshaft (correct for '58), as opposed to the splined shaft that came in 1959 onwards, and it hasn't got the later 2MTT magneto either...............so I don't think I'll buy it !