The only rider I can remember who hung off as described was Ray Watmore who I used to see at Castle Coombe a lot .He used to race a whole variety of machines including a 250 Adler which he could keep up with the leading 250 jocks of the day . 
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The only rider I can remember who hung off as described was Ray Watmore who I used to see at Castle Coombe a lot .He used to race a whole variety of machines including a 250 Adler which he could keep up with the leading 250 jocks of the day .
His name is Denis Ainsworth. He was around for a while and then around 63/64 he was snapping at the heels of Minter and co. As I say I think the Manx was formerly Read's and I can remember him staying with Minter on it so maybe that, in part at least, accounted for the improvement. He was good enough to ride in Grand Prix as Im 99% certain his big prang was at Assen. Anyone remember him?
Hi Gents,
Yes - Denis Ainsworth is a familiar name from that era, although I didn't start my own spectating career untill a bit later. Most 350/500 runners either stuck to a brace of AMC machines (7R/G50) or Manx's for the obvious advantage of parts interchagability. Those few that did mix the marques, seemed more often to run a 7R for the smaller class and a 500 Manx as the senior mount. Mike Hailwood did that in 1961, as did Charlie Sanby and Malcolm Uphill a few years later. I once read that the 7R was the better 350, and the Manx the better 500 - that's an interesting debate? Ainsworth seems to have swam against the tide in that regard.
Any more pics from the sixties anyone?
Yes - Denis Ainsworth is a familiar name from that era, although I didn't start my own spectating career untill a bit later. Most 350/500 runners either stuck to a brace of AMC machines (7R/G50) or Manx's for the obvious advantage of parts interchagability. Those few that did mix the marques, seemed more often to run a 7R for the smaller class and a 500 Manx as the senior mount. Mike Hailwood did that in 1961, as did Charlie Sanby and Malcolm Uphill a few years later. I once read that the 7R was the better 350, and the Manx the better 500 - that's an interesting debate? Ainsworth seems to have swam against the tide in that regard.
Any more pics from the sixties anyone?
Originally posted by knickerbrook
Hi Gents,
Yes - Denis Ainsworth is a familiar name from that era, although I didn't start my own spectating career untill a bit later. Most 350/500 runners either stuck to a brace of AMC machines (7R/G50) or Manx's for the obvious advantage of parts interchagability. Those few that did mix the marques, seemed more often to run a 7R for the smaller class and a 500 Manx as the senior mount. Charlie Sanby and Malcolm Uphill (up to his MGP double in '65 - he later went all Norton) were just two I recall who mixed the two in that order. I once read that the 7R was the better 350, and the Manx the better 500 - that's an interesting debate? Ainsworth seems to have swam against the tide in that regard.
Any more pics from the sixties anyone?
Hi Gents,
Yes - Denis Ainsworth is a familiar name from that era, although I didn't start my own spectating career untill a bit later. Most 350/500 runners either stuck to a brace of AMC machines (7R/G50) or Manx's for the obvious advantage of parts interchagability. Those few that did mix the marques, seemed more often to run a 7R for the smaller class and a 500 Manx as the senior mount. Charlie Sanby and Malcolm Uphill (up to his MGP double in '65 - he later went all Norton) were just two I recall who mixed the two in that order. I once read that the 7R was the better 350, and the Manx the better 500 - that's an interesting debate? Ainsworth seems to have swam against the tide in that regard.
Any more pics from the sixties anyone?
I think your'e right, there was a perception that the 7R was a bit better than the Manx. It was a bit lighter, arguably looked better! but I wonder if it had anything to with Hailwood's preference for a 7R?
I think it's beautiful.
So is this.
7R Central !
Russel,
Great pics of the 7R and G50 I alwys thought they were good looking motorbikes but my heart still belongs to the manx, my Dad had quite a few in his time and i just grew up with Nortons.
I remember Dennis Ainsworth although I was quite young when he was riding, I watched my first race in the UK in June 65 and I seem to recall him riding at Brands with a very wild style of riding which was a bit differant to all the others, it was the Dutch TT at Assen where he crashed and I think it was 65 and I also do not think He raced again, it was 40 years ago now so memory is not always great.
I notice in the picture of Dennis's bikes that there is a Yamaha TD1 A or B in the background that was quite rare in those days cica 64/65 what year was this picture taken.
cheers
Peter
Great pics of the 7R and G50 I alwys thought they were good looking motorbikes but my heart still belongs to the manx, my Dad had quite a few in his time and i just grew up with Nortons.
I remember Dennis Ainsworth although I was quite young when he was riding, I watched my first race in the UK in June 65 and I seem to recall him riding at Brands with a very wild style of riding which was a bit differant to all the others, it was the Dutch TT at Assen where he crashed and I think it was 65 and I also do not think He raced again, it was 40 years ago now so memory is not always great.
I notice in the picture of Dennis's bikes that there is a Yamaha TD1 A or B in the background that was quite rare in those days cica 64/65 what year was this picture taken.
cheers
Peter
Originally posted by pmbboy
Russel,
Great pics of the 7R and G50 I alwys thought they were good looking motorbikes but my heart still belongs to the manx, my Dad had quite a few in his time and i just grew up with Nortons.
I remember Dennis Ainsworth although I was quite young when he was riding, I watched my first race in the UK in June 65 and I seem to recall him riding at Brands with a very wild style of riding which was a bit differant to all the others, it was the Dutch TT at Assen where he crashed and I think it was 65 and I also do not think He raced again, it was 40 years ago now so memory is not always great.
I notice in the picture of Dennis's bikes that there is a Yamaha TD1 A or B in the background that was quite rare in those days cica 64/65 what year was this picture taken.
cheers
Peter
Russel,
Great pics of the 7R and G50 I alwys thought they were good looking motorbikes but my heart still belongs to the manx, my Dad had quite a few in his time and i just grew up with Nortons.
I remember Dennis Ainsworth although I was quite young when he was riding, I watched my first race in the UK in June 65 and I seem to recall him riding at Brands with a very wild style of riding which was a bit differant to all the others, it was the Dutch TT at Assen where he crashed and I think it was 65 and I also do not think He raced again, it was 40 years ago now so memory is not always great.
I notice in the picture of Dennis's bikes that there is a Yamaha TD1 A or B in the background that was quite rare in those days cica 64/65 what year was this picture taken.
cheers
Peter
Yeah, I remember Denis as an exciting rider who made a sudden impact and then he was gone. I wonder what happened to him?
The 7R was a lovely bike, ultra reliable, relatively easy to ride and maintain and of course, so wonderful to look at! Mine had a Oldani front stopper which worked beautifully. Wish I had it now!
I think the picture was taken in 1964. If that's correct the Yamaha would be a TD1A? They were fairly rare and not particular competitive. I suppose Reg Everrett on Ted Broad's bikes being the obvious exception.
A less difficult one?
I can't see the engine clearly but would that be Chris Vincent?
Yeah, and here he is again, looking every bit the 50/60's jazz muso!
Originally posted by Russell Burrows
:wave:What a great period shot this is 
When the pit lane extended further along towards Clearways.
Originally posted by pmbboy
Russel,
Great pics of the 7R and G50 I alwys thought they were good looking motorbikes but my heart still belongs to the manx, my Dad had quite a few in his time and i just grew up with Nortons.
I remember Dennis Ainsworth although I was quite young when he was riding, I watched my first race in the UK in June 65 and I seem to recall him riding at Brands with a very wild style of riding which was a bit differant to all the others, it was the Dutch TT at Assen where he crashed and I think it was 65 and I also do not think He raced again, it was 40 years ago now so memory is not always great.
I notice in the picture of Dennis's bikes that there is a Yamaha TD1 A or B in the background that was quite rare in those days cica 64/65 what year was this picture taken.
cheers
Peter
Russel,
Great pics of the 7R and G50 I alwys thought they were good looking motorbikes but my heart still belongs to the manx, my Dad had quite a few in his time and i just grew up with Nortons.
I remember Dennis Ainsworth although I was quite young when he was riding, I watched my first race in the UK in June 65 and I seem to recall him riding at Brands with a very wild style of riding which was a bit differant to all the others, it was the Dutch TT at Assen where he crashed and I think it was 65 and I also do not think He raced again, it was 40 years ago now so memory is not always great.
I notice in the picture of Dennis's bikes that there is a Yamaha TD1 A or B in the background that was quite rare in those days cica 64/65 what year was this picture taken.
cheers
Peter
A somewhat modified TD1A? in Australia - Amaroo Park I think- about 1969. The Rider is Jim Hughson from New Zealand who later bought a TD3 and was very quick on it.
He was a real hard charger, the best british sidecar racer we had and a very good solo rider. I remember his rides on his 125 Honda. Sometimes he looked as if he was going too fast to get through the corners but his bike control was superb.
Here he is on his BMW. Only if you were a German, or Swiss would your BMW be quick!
Chris Vincent was the best to watch with Florian Camathias in my opinion. Some of the Germans were "too clean", from Scheiddegger to Schauzu... simply too technicaql but not exciting compared toi these guys. And let's not forget Helmut Fath of course, the best of them all.
Yes, similarly aggressive, therefore great entertainment. I dont think I ever saw Fath in the flesh as it were.
Fath was best in 1967 when he had his 4-banger for the first year. He was trying so hard, it was scary to watch. His passenger Kallauch had LOTS of courage...
That first pic of Chris Vincent is one of the very best I've seen of him. I wonder what the chances of being able to buy a copy, Classicpics? I saw Chris Vincent - I believe his son is racing - about three years ago at the big event at Beaulieu, silver haired now but still with a tiny beard and slim. I recall him drifting the BSA around Brands and nobody was better or had as much bike control as him. I remember him getting in hot water when he described passengers as 'a necessary evil'. The remark was taken the wrong way by many people as all he mean't to say was that ballast would be more efficient for racing and less risky for the passenger. I seem to recall that towards the end of his career he went straight on up a slip road and collided with an ambulance(?), seriously injuring his passenger. I believe there might have been a law suit.
I also witnessed Scheidegger, Deubel, Camathias and Fath on his URS - what a sound.
Happy memories.
I also witnessed Scheidegger, Deubel, Camathias and Fath on his URS - what a sound.
Happy memories.
Originally posted by T54
Chris Vincent was the best to watch with Florian Camathias in my opinion. Some of the Germans were "too clean", from Scheiddegger to Schauzu... simply too technicaql but not exciting compared toi these guys. And let's not forget Helmut Fath of course, the best of them all.
Chris Vincent was the best to watch with Florian Camathias in my opinion. Some of the Germans were "too clean", from Scheiddegger to Schauzu... simply too technicaql but not exciting compared toi these guys. And let's not forget Helmut Fath of course, the best of them all.
Never saw those boys, but of the later generations, both Mac Hobson and Jock Taylor were my favorites. Both were fast as hell and great to watch. I would have loved to have seen Camathias and Fath though. Deubel seemed just a bit too precise, and one of those "too clean" drivers you mention, dispite his success.
Originally posted by ex Rhodie racer
Never saw those boys, but of the later generations, both Mac Hobson and Jock Taylor were my favorites. Both were fast as hell and great to watch. I would have loved to have seen Camathias and Fath though. Deubel seemed just a bit too precise, and one of those "too clean" drivers you mention, dispite his success.
Never saw those boys, but of the later generations, both Mac Hobson and Jock Taylor were my favorites. Both were fast as hell and great to watch. I would have loved to have seen Camathias and Fath though. Deubel seemed just a bit too precise, and one of those "too clean" drivers you mention, dispite his success.
sadly as i said before,i saw poor florian die at brands hatch,i was there at clearways with my dear old dad.
Max was the epithoma of "clean". Very fast, very clean.
Chris Vincent on the 3-wheel Mini was also quite a show!
Yes, it was sad to have Camathias go when things were clicking for him and Robinson.
Chris Vincent on the 3-wheel Mini was also quite a show!
Yes, it was sad to have Camathias go when things were clicking for him and Robinson.
Originally posted by T54
Max was the epithoma of "clean". Very fast, very clean.
Chris Vincent on the 3-wheel Mini was also quite a show!
Yes, it was sad to have Camathias go when things were clicking for him and Robinson.
Talking of " Mini " brings us to Owen Greenwood what problems did he cause. But I have to say Helmut Fath and Chris Vincent were the best i've seen in the 60/70's I enjoyed the sidecars why were they allways on last ??? and whats "Superside" all about ??? Max was the epithoma of "clean". Very fast, very clean.
Chris Vincent on the 3-wheel Mini was also quite a show!
Yes, it was sad to have Camathias go when things were clicking for him and Robinson.
:yawn:
Originally posted by Paul Rochdale
That first pic of Chris Vincent is one of the very best I've seen of him. I wonder what the chances of being able to buy a copy, Classicpics? I saw Chris Vincent - I believe his son is racing - about three years ago at the big event at Beaulieu, silver haired now but still with a tiny beard and slim. I recall him drifting the BSA around Brands and nobody was better or had as much bike control as him. I remember him getting in hot water when he described passengers as 'a necessary evil'. The remark was taken the wrong way by many people as all he mean't to say was that ballast would be more efficient for racing and less risky for the passenger. I seem to recall that towards the end of his career he went straight on up a slip road and collided with an ambulance(?), seriously injuring his passenger. I believe there might have been a law suit.
I also witnessed Scheidegger, Deubel, Camathias and Fath on his URS - what a sound. Happy memories.
That first pic of Chris Vincent is one of the very best I've seen of him. I wonder what the chances of being able to buy a copy, Classicpics? I saw Chris Vincent - I believe his son is racing - about three years ago at the big event at Beaulieu, silver haired now but still with a tiny beard and slim. I recall him drifting the BSA around Brands and nobody was better or had as much bike control as him. I remember him getting in hot water when he described passengers as 'a necessary evil'. The remark was taken the wrong way by many people as all he mean't to say was that ballast would be more efficient for racing and less risky for the passenger. I seem to recall that towards the end of his career he went straight on up a slip road and collided with an ambulance(?), seriously injuring his passenger. I believe there might have been a law suit.
I also witnessed Scheidegger, Deubel, Camathias and Fath on his URS - what a sound.
Happy memories. Two sons Paul, Jason who retired end of 2006, ex 250 Grand Prix rider, and Max who also no longer races, but raced in the British 250cc Supercup class.
I presume Max was named after Max Deubel?
Originally posted by Russell Burrows
Yes, similarly aggressive, therefore great entertainment. I dont think I ever saw Fath in the flesh as it were.
Yes, similarly aggressive, therefore great entertainment. I dont think I ever saw Fath in the flesh as it were.
Does anyone recall the name of Florian's very brave Brit passenger?
Watching Emil hanging out of the chair on paddock bend was pretty amazing.
Originally posted by renzo
sadly as i said before,i saw poor florian die at brands hatch,i was there at clearways with my dear old dad.
sadly as i said before,i saw poor florian die at brands hatch,i was there at clearways with my dear old dad.
I too was there on Clearways that day. I can remember having no sense that It was a deadly serious accident and was later shocked to learn that he had been killed. Wasn't it supposed to have been caused through his own brazing failing?
Originally posted by Russell Burrows
I too was there on Clearways that day. I can remember having no sense that It was a deadly serious accident and was later shocked to learn that he had been killed. Wasn't it supposed to have been caused through his own brazing failing?
I too was there on Clearways that day. I can remember having no sense that It was a deadly serious accident and was later shocked to learn that he had been killed. Wasn't it supposed to have been caused through his own brazing failing?
strange coincidence!yes i think it was the headstock that broke and the forks collapsed.
Interesting topic this. I always loved the "chairs".The pic of Max Deubel on his BMW made me wonder if anyone can recall who came out with the first kneeler, as opposed to the ride on style illustrated in the Deubel/Hörner pic.
Also, I seem to recall Deubel on a kneeler, or is that my old memory playing tricks on me?
Also, I seem to recall Deubel on a kneeler, or is that my old memory playing tricks on me?
Originally posted by Russell Burrows
I too was there on Clearways that day. I can remember having no sense that It was a deadly serious accident and was later shocked to learn that he had been killed. Wasn't it supposed to have been caused through his own brazing failing?
I too was there on Clearways that day. I can remember having no sense that It was a deadly serious accident and was later shocked to learn that he had been killed. Wasn't it supposed to have been caused through his own brazing failing?
There was an article in a fairly recent Classic Racer magazine about Florian Camathias and the Brands accident, may be you guys read it? there was a large picture of the accident and the crowd on the exit of Clearways.
Originally posted by renzo
strange coincidence!yes i think it was the headstock that broke and the forks collapsed.
strange coincidence!yes i think it was the headstock that broke and the forks collapsed.
I kinda grew up around the place - missed very few of the big meetings up until 67. Were you the guy in the Barbour, smoking the woodbines?
Originally posted by picblanc
There was an article in a fairly recent Classic Racer magazine about Florian Camathias and the Brands accident, may be you guys read it? there was a large picture of the accident and the crowd on the exit of Clearways.
There was an article in a fairly recent Classic Racer magazine about Florian Camathias and the Brands accident, may be you guys read it? there was a large picture of the accident and the crowd on the exit of Clearways.
I remember reading it- I'll have to try to dig it out !
Originally posted by ex Rhodie racer
Interesting topic this. I always loved the "chairs".The pic of Max Deubel on his BMW made me wonder if anyone can recall who came out with the first kneeler, as opposed to the ride on style illustrated in the Deubel/Hörner pic.
Also, I seem to recall Deubel on a kneeler, or is that my old memory playing tricks on me?
Interesting topic this. I always loved the "chairs".The pic of Max Deubel on his BMW made me wonder if anyone can recall who came out with the first kneeler, as opposed to the ride on style illustrated in the Deubel/Hörner pic.
Also, I seem to recall Deubel on a kneeler, or is that my old memory playing tricks on me?
I'm not sure. I cant recall Deubel on anything other than his 'sitter'. Something is telling me that the kneeler was first tried in the fifties - perhaps by Eric Oliver? In the UK during the early sixties most outfits were sitters or semi sitters. I think Chris Vincent always raced a kneeler from the late 50's.
Camathias' British passenger in the latter half of the 1962 season was Harry Winter, who took over what must have been one of the most terrifying jobs in motorsport, after a crash at the TT that year seriously injured Horst Burkhardt. The pair won the Belgian GP, and were 2nd in the German GP. For 1963, Camathias paired up with Alfred Herzig,whose own career was curtailed when the duo crashed due to a welding failure at Avus, with Herzig losing his lower leg.
Originally posted by Russell Burrows
I'm not sure. I cant recall Deubel on anything other than his 'sitter'. Something is telling me that the kneeler was first tried in the fifties - perhaps by Eric Oliver? In the UK during the early sixties most outfits were sitters or semi sitters. I think Chris Vincent always raced a kneeler from the late 50's.
I'm not sure. I cant recall Deubel on anything other than his 'sitter'. Something is telling me that the kneeler was first tried in the fifties - perhaps by Eric Oliver? In the UK during the early sixties most outfits were sitters or semi sitters. I think Chris Vincent always raced a kneeler from the late 50's.
Alan Thurgood's G50 oufit 1963, typical riding position for the period. Part of Colin Seeley's similar outfit on extreme right.
Can anyone tell me something about Swiss sidecar racer Edgar Strub? I know Jo Siffert passengered for him in the World Championships one year and journalist Mick Woolett also chaired for him. A solitary 5th place in the TT and I believe he died at home in Alicante? How well did he do in the World Championships? Thanks,anticipation.
When I was a young lad, many years ago.
At the top of devils elbow was a scaffold tower with a little hut on top. From there you could see all of the circuit, it was used as race control. I was priveledged to watch the racing from there. In the late 50's, early 60's when the foreign sidecar boys first raced at Mallory I remember Max Deubel drifting his right hand chaired BMW down devils and leaving a black tyre mark on the track, you could even see the tyre flexing. Camathias, Ritter, Aubacher, Kolle, Fath and Schidegger did similar with left hand outfits. The continentals were just a little bit better than our boys, athough Pip Harris always gave them a run for their money. Early sidecars were quite a spectacle in those days. The british boys with the big wheels were exciting to watch coming into the esses with the front wheels flapping from lock to lock and lifting the sidecar wheel on the exit. Great stuff.
Here's one of our best barrow boys, a lovely man with a captivating Birmingham accent.
Originally posted by Classicpics
Here's one of our best barrow boys, a lovely man with a captivating Birmingham accent.
Here's one of our best barrow boys, a lovely man with a captivating Birmingham accent.
Remember him well and son Mick whose first ,or almost first, race was at age sixteen a Brands on Dads Manx powered outfit.
PS Did you ever venture with your camera to the Crystal Palace?
No I never went to Crystal Palace.
Always at Mallory from the first ever meeting until 1989, Brands during the 70's, All the British Grand Prix at Silverstone, Scarborough, Cadwell, IoM and nowdays Eurosport, still for free if you have an old satellite dish locked on to the Astra satallite, German channel. (English commentary).
Always at Mallory from the first ever meeting until 1989, Brands during the 70's, All the British Grand Prix at Silverstone, Scarborough, Cadwell, IoM and nowdays Eurosport, still for free if you have an old satellite dish locked on to the Astra satallite, German channel. (English commentary).
Originally posted by Paul Rochdale
That first pic of Chris Vincent is one of the very best I've seen of him. I wonder what the chances of being able to buy a copy, Classicpics? I saw Chris Vincent - I believe his son is racing - about three years ago at the big event at Beaulieu, silver haired now but still with a tiny beard and slim. I recall him drifting the BSA around Brands and nobody was better or had as much bike control as him. I remember him getting in hot water when he described passengers as 'a necessary evil'. The remark was taken the wrong way by many people as all he mean't to say was that ballast would be more efficient for racing and less risky for the passenger. I seem to recall that towards the end of his career he went straight on up a slip road and collided with an ambulance(?), seriously injuring his passenger. I believe there might have been a law suit.
I also witnessed Scheidegger, Deubel, Camathias and Fath on his URS - what a sound. Happy memories.
That first pic of Chris Vincent is one of the very best I've seen of him. I wonder what the chances of being able to buy a copy, Classicpics? I saw Chris Vincent - I believe his son is racing - about three years ago at the big event at Beaulieu, silver haired now but still with a tiny beard and slim. I recall him drifting the BSA around Brands and nobody was better or had as much bike control as him. I remember him getting in hot water when he described passengers as 'a necessary evil'. The remark was taken the wrong way by many people as all he mean't to say was that ballast would be more efficient for racing and less risky for the passenger. I seem to recall that towards the end of his career he went straight on up a slip road and collided with an ambulance(?), seriously injuring his passenger. I believe there might have been a law suit.
I also witnessed Scheidegger, Deubel, Camathias and Fath on his URS - what a sound.
Happy memories. Terry Harrison was his passenger, badly injured , dont know where it happened, but many years later i know he was still suffering quite a lot. Nice guy, nice family.
Is that Charlie Freeman? Were their any stars of that era whose autograph you'd have liked to have got but didn't? I guess Eric Oliver was before your time? Superb photos, by the way.
I remember seeing Deubel, Sheidegger and Camathias several times at Cadwell. They always used to stop about 100m after the finish and and the passengers would change the sparkplugs.
Originally posted by GD66
Camathias' British passenger in the latter half of the 1962 season was Harry Winter, who took over what must have been one of the most terrifying jobs in motorsport, after a crash at the TT that year seriously injured Horst Burkhardt. The pair won the Belgian GP, and were 2nd in the German GP. For 1963, Camathias paired up with Alfred Herzig,whose own career was curtailed when the duo crashed due to a welding failure at Avus, with Herzig losing his lower leg.
Camathias' British passenger in the latter half of the 1962 season was Harry Winter, who took over what must have been one of the most terrifying jobs in motorsport, after a crash at the TT that year seriously injured Horst Burkhardt. The pair won the Belgian GP, and were 2nd in the German GP. For 1963, Camathias paired up with Alfred Herzig,whose own career was curtailed when the duo crashed due to a welding failure at Avus, with Herzig losing his lower leg.
Ah yes, Harry Winter, thanks for that. I just Googled sidecar racing and was reminded that another of Florian's passengers met with misfortune. Hilmar Cecco, was killed in Italy in 1961 after the outfit somersaulted on the final bend of the last lap when leading a race at 'Modena" !
Originally posted by Russell Burrows
Remember him well and son Mick whose first ,or almost first, race was at age sixteen a Brands on Dads Manx powered outfit.
PS Did you ever venture with your camera to the Crystal Palace?
Remember him well and son Mick whose first ,or almost first, race was at age sixteen a Brands on Dads Manx powered outfit.
PS Did you ever venture with your camera to the Crystal Palace?
The above picture was Bill Boddice.
This is Charlie Freeman, he had a motorcycle shop just down the road from me at Eckington.
In the chair is his famous solo riding partner.
Re Eric Oliver. Yes he was before my time. I saw him at Mallory at several vintage meetings. On one occasion he did a few laps, very quick laps, on an old sit up and beg Norton. He was dressed in suit and tiee, ordinary shoes and pudding basin helmet, jacket flapping in the wind. Rather worring to see. He was grinning from ear to ear and going like a bat out of hell.
It was Owen Greenwood and Terry Fairbrother who built and Raced the Mini.
The Mini really upset the barrow boys, especially Chris Vincent.
Although the Mini wasn't a certain winner every time, he did roll it a few times, and the sight of Chris Vincent hounding him down the back straight and catching right up to him on the brakes into the Esses was quite a sight.
Greenwood finished 6th in the 1959 TT behind 5 BMW's on his Triumph. 9th in 1961 and 7th on a Matchless in 1963.
Originally posted by Classicpics
It was Owen Greenwood and Terry Fairbrother who built and Raced the Mini.
The Mini really upset the barrow boys, especially Chris Vincent.
Although the Mini wasn't a certain winner every time, he did roll it a few times, and the sight of Chris Vincent hounding him down the back straight and catching right up to him on the brakes into the Esses was quite a sight.
Greenwood finished 6th in the 1959 TT behind 5 BMW's on his Triumph. 9th in 1961 and 7th on a Matchless in 1963.
It was Owen Greenwood and Terry Fairbrother who built and Raced the Mini.
The Mini really upset the barrow boys, especially Chris Vincent.
Although the Mini wasn't a certain winner every time, he did roll it a few times, and the sight of Chris Vincent hounding him down the back straight and catching right up to him on the brakes into the Esses was quite a sight.
Greenwood finished 6th in the 1959 TT behind 5 BMW's on his Triumph. 9th in 1961 and 7th on a Matchless in 1963.
I well remember that contraption. It stuck me as well outside the spirit of the law if not the letter.
I watched a Castrol DVD this evening, 'The History of Motorcycle Racing Pt3" or something like that, and it showed Eric Oliver on his roadgoing Norton and Watsonian sidecar with lady passenger, racing in the Isle of Man Sidecar TT race. Absolutely wonderful.
By the way last year I joined the Amazon.com DVD 'lending library' - have a look at their website as it tells you everything you need to know - and found they have scores of motorcycle/F1/sportscar DVDs for rental. When you enrol, you compile a wish list of say fifteen DVDs you'd like to watch, and they send them out one at a time with SAEs to return them. Superb value for money at about £2.50 a month I think.
By the way last year I joined the Amazon.com DVD 'lending library' - have a look at their website as it tells you everything you need to know - and found they have scores of motorcycle/F1/sportscar DVDs for rental. When you enrol, you compile a wish list of say fifteen DVDs you'd like to watch, and they send them out one at a time with SAEs to return them. Superb value for money at about £2.50 a month I think.
Originally posted by Paul Rochdale
I watched a Castrol DVD this evening, 'The History of Motorcycle Racing Pt3" or something like that, and it showed Eric Oliver on his roadgoing Norton and Watsonian sidecar with lady passenger, racing in the Isle of Man Sidecar TT race. Absolutely wonderful.
By the way last year I joined the Amazon.com DVD 'lending library' - have a look at their website as it tells you everything you need to know - and found they have scores of motorcycle/F1/sportscar DVDs for rental. When you enrol, you compile a wish list of say fifteen DVDs you'd like to watch, and they send them out one at a time with SAEs to return them. Superb value for money at about £2.50 a month I think.
I watched a Castrol DVD this evening, 'The History of Motorcycle Racing Pt3" or something like that, and it showed Eric Oliver on his roadgoing Norton and Watsonian sidecar with lady passenger, racing in the Isle of Man Sidecar TT race. Absolutely wonderful.
By the way last year I joined the Amazon.com DVD 'lending library' - have a look at their website as it tells you everything you need to know - and found they have scores of motorcycle/F1/sportscar DVDs for rental. When you enrol, you compile a wish list of say fifteen DVDs you'd like to watch, and they send them out one at a time with SAEs to return them. Superb value for money at about £2.50 a month I think.
1958 TT Eric Oliver raced a standard Norton Dominator with Mrs Pat Wise in the chair. They finished in 10th place!
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