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#6051 roadshop

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Posted 01 April 2010 - 10:00

This one is a bit easier, who is it and where.
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Hi

Santiago Herrero - Don´t know where.

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#6052 graham houlihan

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Posted 01 April 2010 - 10:52

This one is a bit easier, who is it and where.
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Roy :clap:


Looks like the Ulster


#6053 Herr Wankel

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Posted 01 April 2010 - 12:23

Looks like the Ulster

The one where he rode the OSSA through the middle of Belfast just in case the van got hijacked,and torched together with is contents!!
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Posted 01 April 2010 - 13:25

The one where he rode the OSSA through the middle of Belfast just in case the van got hijacked,and torched together with is contents!!
HW

Hi there again, Graham you have the right venue in 1962-UGP.
Roadshop, it is not Santiago Herrero.
Come on HW you can do better than that.
Roy :rotfl:

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Posted 01 April 2010 - 14:39

Ohinewai's finest, Hugh Anderson.

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Posted 01 April 2010 - 16:12

Come on chaps, are you running out of photos. Change of sport to sprinting old style'
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One of the sports pioneers.
Any ideas?
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Not running out by any means, Roy, just fought my scanner to a draw after upgrading to Win 7. Here's a tickler for you Fifties types:

http://www.mediafire.../i/?mvdnodhdjzw

Who, where, when, what occasion?

TS

Edited by terryshep, 01 April 2010 - 16:14.


#6057 Herr Wankel

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Posted 01 April 2010 - 16:24

Hi there again, Graham you have the right venue in 1962-UGP.
Roadshop, it is not Santiago Herrero.
Come on HW you can do better than that.
Roy :rotfl:

Your right Roy,I'll go and stand in the corner.Did fleetingly think Hughie(honest guv) but kept me trap shut.Couldn't make out the logo on the helmet.I'm rambling now so I'll belt up.BTW happy easter,hope you haven't got snow in Leicestershire.
HW


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Posted 01 April 2010 - 16:41

Not running out by any means, Roy, just fought my scanner to a draw after upgrading to Win 7. Here's a tickler for you Fifties types:

http://www.mediafire.../i/?mvdnodhdjzw

Who, where, when, what occasion?

TS


Hi Terry, I swear that I would have recognized Ray Amm, one of my all-time favourites, without the caption... what a tragedy that he was killed during his first MV outing

Edit: he is very well remembered over here for making a pit stop during a race at the Norisring in Nuremberg (my hometown) in '53 just to give his wife a kiss :clap: Nevertheless he won the race, of course

Edited by Rennmax, 01 April 2010 - 16:54.


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Posted 01 April 2010 - 17:07

Hi Terry, I swear that I would have recognized Ray Amm, one of my all-time favourites, without the caption... what a tragedy that he was killed during his first MV outing

Edit: he is very well remembered over here for making a pit stop during a race at the Norisring in Nuremberg (my hometown) in '53 just to give his wife a kiss :clap: Nevertheless he won the race, of course

Well boys, you have cracked Hugh Anderson at the 1962 UGP, if it had been a colour film the red helmet would have given him away. Good on ya GD66.
I have not yet got the snow shovel out here in the tropics of Leicestershire.
I am a bit late Terry but I did recognise Ray Amm, on his tragic MV ride. Just makes you wonder what would have been seeing Ray battling with the 'Duke' in the World championships. Was it at the Shell Cup meeting at Imola?
Roy

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#6060 Continental Circus

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Posted 01 April 2010 - 19:00

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Well boys, you have cracked Hugh Anderson at the 1962 UGP, if it had been a colour film the red helmet would have given him away. Good on ya GD66.
I have not yet got the snow shovel out here in the tropics of Leicestershire.
I am a bit late Terry but I did recognise Ray Amm, on his tragic MV ride. Just makes you wonder what would have been seeing Ray battling with the 'Duke' in the World championships. Was it at the Shell Cup meeting at Imola?
Roy


Who is this boys,
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A pair of real chargers. Not sure who the stowaway in the chair is.
Enjoy,
Roy :yawnface:

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Posted 02 April 2010 - 12:36

In reply to Russell Burrows’ post #6067 - it is indeed Charlie Sanby’s old 7R.
It was Bob McIntyre’s 1959 motorcycle - raced to second place in the 1961 IOM Manx GP by Robin Dawson. Charlie purchased it mid 1964 and I bought it of Charlie October/November 1969.
In my usual stupid way I sold the 7R towards the end of 1971, thinking it was too slow and wanting a Yamaha (grass is always greener etc.) Never did get the Yamaha but then not everything goes to plan.


#6062 fil2.8

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Posted 02 April 2010 - 12:48

In reply to Russell Burrows’ post #6067 - it is indeed Charlie Sanby’s old 7R.
It was Bob McIntyre’s 1959 motorcycle - raced to second place in the 1961 IOM Manx GP by Robin Dawson. Charlie purchased it mid 1964 and I bought it of Charlie October/November 1969.
In my usual stupid way I sold the 7R towards the end of 1971, thinking it was too slow and wanting a Yamaha (grass is always greener etc.) Never did get the Yamaha but then not everything goes to plan.


Thanks for the ' info ' PTJ , and welcome to the old farts club , may your visit be long and happy !!! :wave:

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Posted 02 April 2010 - 13:40

Hi Terry, I swear that I would have recognized Ray Amm, one of my all-time favourites, without the caption... what a tragedy that he was killed during his first MV outing

Edit: he is very well remembered over here for making a pit stop during a race at the Norisring in Nuremberg (my hometown) in '53 just to give his wife a kiss :clap: Nevertheless he won the race, of course

You picked a good bloke for a favourite, Rennmax, Ray was a grand chap and we became good friends after both retiring together at Kirkmichael corner in the '54 Junior, me in my first TT and him from the lead of the race. The lady in the house on the corner gave us beans on toast, too. After he crashed at Aintree late that year, I visited him daily in hospital and while he was convalescing in Geoff Duke's house at Southport. When he landed the MV contract, he invited me to his villa on Lake Maggiore and I went with him as he tested the bikes at various circuits in Italy. That picture was taken at Monza in January '55 and was just one of the various things which were tested, such as the Earles forks (instantly rejected) and this specially made nose, something of a copy of his famous 'proboscis' Norton. I returned to the UK to race at Oulton Park the day he went to race at Imola.

It felt a bit strange to be doing much the same things myself at Monza, 2 years later. Talk about deja vu.

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Posted 02 April 2010 - 15:57


It has been displayed here before I think , so thanks to the gent who provided it

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Posted 02 April 2010 - 16:34

:wave:

Who is this boys,
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A pair of real chargers. Not sure who the stowaway in the chair is.
Enjoy,
Roy :yawnface:


Hi Roy

Is it Alan and Peter Birch?



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Posted 02 April 2010 - 17:05

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Another pair of hard chargers!

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Posted 02 April 2010 - 17:10

Obviously one of the Hanks family, either Norman or Roy :confused: , possibly the passenger a Hanks as well ?

Edited by Rennmax, 02 April 2010 - 17:16.


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Posted 02 April 2010 - 17:26

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Another pair of hard chargers!



Go back a generation!

#6069 Rennmax

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Posted 02 April 2010 - 17:34

Go back a generation!


Fred, the TT special editor then ?

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Posted 02 April 2010 - 17:51

[quote name='Rennmax' date='Apr 2 2010, 17:34' post='4262622']
Fred, the TT special editor then ?

Yes it's Father Hanks, Fred :clap:
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Posted 02 April 2010 - 19:19

[quote name='Classicpics' date='Apr 2 2010, 17:51' post='4262655']
[quote name='Rennmax' date='Apr 2 2010, 17:34' post='4262622']
Fred, the TT special editor then ?

Yes it's Father Hanks, Fred :clap:
/quote]

Great shot Classicpics, Fred is someone I can relate to charging around Mallory and Cadwell. Thinking about it they did all the race circuits in the UK, how they afforded it on the pittance they could pick up in prize money. But they were great entertainment.
In answer to my photo, its not the Pickup brothers, one of my local riders Pete Russel and Colin Cross on their thundering Vincent outfit. What a site they were around Mallory which is where they are seen in the paddock on 9-4-61. Pete was Kirby Muxloe's finest. Leicestershire had some great chairmen, Chris Vincent and Owen Greenwood also.
Roy ;)

#6072 PTJ

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Posted 02 April 2010 - 20:31

Thanks for the ' info ' PTJ , and welcome to the old farts club , may your visit be long and happy !!! :wave:

Old? Old? Who are you calling old? Ancient maybe, prehistoric even but OLD! I’ll have you know sir that I am only 21 and have been for the last forty nine years! Old indeed, huh! :rolleyes:
Disgruntled from Berkshire ;)

Oh and thanks for the welcome

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Posted 02 April 2010 - 20:34

Old? Old? Who are you calling old? Ancient maybe, prehistoric even but OLD! I’ll have you know sir that I am only 21 and have been for the last forty nine years! Old indeed, huh! :rolleyes:
Disgruntled from Berkshire ;)

Oh and thanks for the welcome

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Phil is referring to himself of course :rolleyes: Welcome PTJ :wave:



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Posted 02 April 2010 - 20:37

Old? Old? Who are you calling old? Ancient maybe, prehistoric even but OLD! I’ll have you know sir that I am only 21 and have been for the last forty nine years! Old indeed, huh! :rolleyes:
Disgruntled from Berkshire ;)

Oh and thanks for the welcome

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:lol: :lol: :rotfl: :rotfl: :love:

Thats the standard we like to see :rolleyes: you'll fit in well here ( with most of us :yawnface: ) ..............Enjoy
Devious from Devon :blush:

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 08:14

Think that we have identified Camathias as well as Lambert in previous posts, so this one, obviously Swiss, should be Scheidegger, although he doesn't look like him :confused:
Well, your 're right, comparing yesterday with today's heroes is rather pointless. Nevertheless, in the TT forum there is a discussion going on about the rise of speed on the mountain circuit.There is a claim that the speed difference between today's circuit and the circuit in the condition of 10 years ago is 4 mph. That's why I contemplate about the difference of nearly 50 years....

Hi can you tell me where this part of the course is?

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 09:00

Hi boys, well not right but good try.
Its Bill Bragg on 'Yellow Peril' at Wichford on 16-4-61.
Bill made a host of bikes and 3 wheelers, 'Yellow Peril' was a Triumph and clad in a beautiful aircraft drop-tank.
Roy :wave:


'Yellow Peril' has been restored and I saw it being run at Beaulieu a few years ago. Didn't something a bit strange happen to Bill Bragg? Didn't he sort of disappear to go to live on a South Sea Island and then die in an accidental drowning?

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 10:51

Hi can you tell me where this part of the course is?


Can anyone identify rider, passenger , course, date, machine, event?

Edited by haroldh, 12 April 2010 - 06:53.


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Posted 05 April 2010 - 14:37

:wave:

Who is this boys,
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A pair of real chargers. Not sure who the stowaway in the chair is.
Enjoy,
Roy :yawnface:



Russ Hackman perhaps?

#6079 Rennmax

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 17:03

Hi can you tell me where this part of the course is?



Hi Harold, that's the exit of Signpost

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#6080 haroldh

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 17:26

Hi Harold, that's the exit of Signpost

Hi Rennmax, just so I get this right. No 9 (BMW) is at signpost yes? So that must be 1962? Passenger might be Keith Scott? He retired in the '62 TT

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 18:24

It has been displayed here before I think , so thanks to the gent who provided it

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Aaah, I recognise this from those excellent 'Castrol Achievements' booklets that were published every year. It was an inside cover, or rear cover from a mid-to-late 1950s edition. I devoured these booklets at a little chap, they played no small part in my motor sport education and enthusiasm. That and the smell of Castrol 'R' of course! :clap: :up:


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Posted 06 April 2010 - 09:23

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Can anyone identify rider, passenger , course, date, machine, event?


Hi Boys, With respect Renn the Harry Scholes shot on BMW #9 was not at Signpost Corner in 1962 TT.
It shows Harry Scholes and Keith Scott on the ex-Pip Harris outfit at Oulton Park on Easter Monday 23-4-62. The enbankment at Signpost was not wide and could only accept one row of spectators and did not carry advertising banners on the outside of the corner, unlike the inside which did. See my shot of some of our group at Signpost Corner in 1961.
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In my Oulton programme Harry was third on the 6th lap behind Max Deubel and Pip Harris, however it was a 19 lap race and on lap 14 Harry was not oin the top 4.
I would be interested to know where the shot was taken at Oulton.
Best wishes,
Roy

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 09:34

Hi Boys, With respect Renn the Harry Scholes shot on BMW #9 was not at Signpost Corner in 1962 TT.
It shows Harry Scholes and Keith Scott on the ex-Pip Harris outfit at Oulton Park on Easter Monday 23-4-62. The enbankment at Signpost was not wide and could only accept one row of spectators and did not carry advertising banners on the outside of the corner, unlike the inside which did. See my shot of some of our group at Signpost Corner in 1961.
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In my Oulton programme Harry was third on the 6th lap behind Max Deubel and Pip Harris, however it was a 19 lap race and on lap 14 Harry was not oin the top 4.
I would be interested to know where the shot was taken at Oulton.
Best wishes,
Roy

Roy,
from Chris Periera (back in 1998) I have the Harold (Harry) Scholes' result for Oulton Park April 23rd 1962 as : 3rd 500cc s/cars. 5th s/car handicap (BMW)
hope that helps? (love to see that programme!).Who finished 1st and 2nd ?

Harold

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 09:57

Roy,
from Chris Periera (back in 1998) I have the Harold (Harry) Scholes' result for Oulton Park April 23rd 1962 as : 3rd 500cc s/cars. 5th s/car handicap (BMW)
hope that helps? (love to see that programme!).Who finished 1st and 2nd ?

Harold

Hi Harold,
Click on img585 for the Oulton Park sidecar entry, 23-4-62
img585.jpg (1.8 MB)
Can you confirm my PM.
Enjoy
Roy :yawnface:

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 13:27

Hi Harold,
Click on img585 for the Oulton Park sidecar entry, 23-4-62
img585.jpg (1.8 MB)
Can you confirm my PM.
Enjoy
Roy :yawnface:


I have another couple of poor quality photos, can you identify the track? Possibly 1962, Oulton Park. Whereabout is this bridge?
In the lower photo man walking away with hat is Harold (Harry) Scholes, where is this?
Sidecar under bridge - what number is this?
Any details gratefully recieved

Edited by haroldh, 12 April 2010 - 06:52.


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Posted 06 April 2010 - 17:16

Hi Boys, With respect Renn the Harry Scholes shot on BMW #9 was not at Signpost Corner in 1962 TT.
It shows Harry Scholes and Keith Scott on the ex-Pip Harris outfit at Oulton Park on Easter Monday 23-4-62. The enbankment at Signpost was not wide and could only accept one row of spectators and did not carry advertising banners on the outside of the corner, unlike the inside which did. See my shot of some of our group at Signpost Corner in 1961.
In my Oulton programme Harry was third on the 6th lap behind Max Deubel and Pip Harris, however it was a 19 lap race and on lap 14 Harry was not oin the top 4.
I would be interested to know where the shot was taken at Oulton.
Best wishes,
Roy


Hi gents, since my post of Dec 28 as quoted in #6135

"Think that we have identified Camathias as well as ......"

refered to Roy's pic

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I thought that Harold's request would do accordingly. Sorry for any confusion :well: :blush:

Edited by Rennmax, 06 April 2010 - 18:06.


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Posted 06 April 2010 - 17:17

OK chaps whose this giving us a view of him that most of us would have had. http://img542.images...42/3536/who.jpg

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 17:19

OK chaps whose this giving us a view of him that most of us would have had. http://img542.images...42/3536/who.jpg


Bob Mac ???

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 17:27

Bob Mac ???

Bang on the money. 1960 TT 7R AJS.

What about this one might be a bit more difficult. http://img169.images...172/sidecar.png

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 17:34

Bang on the money. 1960 TT 7R AJS.

What about this one might be a bit more difficult. http://img169.images...172/sidecar.png


John Tickle?

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 18:25

I have another couple of poor quality photos, can you identify the track? Possibly 1962, Oulton Park. Whereabout is this bridge?
In the lower photo man walking away with hat is Harold (Harry) Scholes, where is this?
Sidecar under bridge - what number is this?
Any details gratefully recieved
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Is it too late to suggest sidecar is exiting Deer Leap at Oulton Park? I can't help with anything else.

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 20:41

Is it too late to suggest sidecar is exiting Deer Leap at Oulton Park? I can't help with anything else.

thanks Alex.

Just a bit left field now : does anyone know if the Pip Harris BMW 1961 machine that Harry Scholes bought ended up with Tony Wakefield and Graham Milton?
I thought I read he had done something with it and then by 1965 or so moved on to something else. I thought Tony Wakefield was a car salesman in Northhants?

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Posted 07 April 2010 - 09:12

thanks Alex.

Just a bit left field now : does anyone know if the Pip Harris BMW 1961 machine that Harry Scholes bought ended up with Tony Wakefield and Graham Milton?
I thought I read he had done something with it and then by 1965 or so moved on to something else. I thought Tony Wakefield was a car salesman in Northhants?

I know the late Graham Milton had a garage in Spaldwick just off the A14.Saw him doing a demo on the BMW at Mallory a few years ago,absolutely magic.Tony Wakefield was also entered as from Spaldwick.In the '69 Post TT,they were both entered separately on Rennsport outfits.
HW


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Posted 07 April 2010 - 10:05

QUOTE (Alex Sinclair @ Apr 6 2010, 19:25)
Is it too late to suggest sidecar is exiting Deer Leap at Oulton Park? I can't help with anything else.

Welcome aboard Alex - keep talking!!

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#6095 haroldh

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Posted 07 April 2010 - 17:05

I know the late Graham Milton had a garage in Spaldwick just off the A14.Saw him doing a demo on the BMW at Mallory a few years ago,absolutely magic.Tony Wakefield was also entered as from Spaldwick.In the '69 Post TT,they were both entered separately on Rennsport outfits.
HW

Thanks HW. Thats the confirmation I need. I have an article somewhere about them picking up the Harry Scholes/Pip Harris BMW and using it. I will find it!


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Posted 07 April 2010 - 17:06

QUOTE (Alex Sinclair @ Apr 6 2010, 19:25)
Is it too late to suggest sidecar is exiting Deer Leap at Oulton Park? I can't help with anything else.

Welcome aboard Alex - keep talking!!

:clap:

Thanks Larryd , 3 folks now telling me seems to be it.

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Posted 07 April 2010 - 17:18

I know the late Graham Milton had a garage in Spaldwick just off the A14.Saw him doing a demo on the BMW at Mallory a few years ago,absolutely magic.Tony Wakefield was also entered as from Spaldwick.In the '69 Post TT,they were both entered separately on Rennsport outfits.
HW

This is a bit spooky but I called into Robinsons garage of Kimbolton today and there shoved in a corner was (I think) this very outfit! Its called a Magnum and its usually on display in the window with the aforementioned Wakefield and his newscuttings.They let me take some pics of it if anyone is interested. Unfortunately I only had my film camera so I'me waiting for it to be developed. Kimbolton isnt far from Spaldwick!

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Posted 07 April 2010 - 17:44

This is a bit spooky but I called into Robinsons garage of Kimbolton today and there shoved in a corner was (I think) this very outfit! Its called a Magnum and its usually on display in the window with the aforementioned Wakefield and his newscuttings.They let me take some pics of it if anyone is interested. Unfortunately I only had my film camera so I'me waiting for it to be developed. Kimbolton isnt far from Spaldwick!

Hi germanty.
Thats the flat 4, 2 stroke that they built along the lines of a Konig,but (IIRC) driving through a BM type gearbox.Blue and yellow was it?The Rennsport was green/orange.Spooky indeed
ATB HW

#6099 haroldh

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Posted 07 April 2010 - 19:54

This is a bit spooky but I called into Robinsons garage of Kimbolton today and there shoved in a corner was (I think) this very outfit! Its called a Magnum and its usually on display in the window with the aforementioned Wakefield and his newscuttings.They let me take some pics of it if anyone is interested. Unfortunately I only had my film camera so I'me waiting for it to be developed. Kimbolton isnt far from Spaldwick!


Hi germanty,

that sounds brillliant! Any chance you can take a few s/c snaps and try and snap some of the literature especially its provenance - if they mention Pip Harris then that'll be it. Any chance you can give the garage name/address/phone details just in case I can get there?

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Posted 07 April 2010 - 20:08

Hi germanty,

that sounds brillliant! Any chance you can take a few s/c snaps and try and snap some of the literature especially its provenance - if they mention Pip Harris then that'll be it. Any chance you can give the garage name/address/phone details just in case I can get there?



Folks a little bedtime test:

Who is on the left in the sidecar pair? (Harry Scholes on right)
Where is this?
What is the cup?
When is this ? 1961/1962 possibles

Edited by haroldh, 12 April 2010 - 06:51.