Thanks Renn

50cc White background-Black numbers

HW

Sidecars the same.

.....with the Brits insisting on white for front backgrounds. Production bikes were red. And in Australia everything was yellow.

Any offers ?



Thanks to Paul for his courtesy

Not the faintest, re the riders. Mere Hairpin, Scarborough at a guess. Looks like a CMA/Degens brake on the lead 500, (Alan Peck ?) so probably around 1965/66

What's Russell's phone number...

He hasn't got a bleedin clue either. 131 appears to be a TD1 B/C Yam.... late model Manx brake on 19 - the rider of which bears some resemblance to George Gallagher, maybe - so Scarborough mid, or more probably, late sixties must be about right.

Looks a bit like Bill Smith, actually. And #44 looks like a 500 Triumph or Norton twin : probably a Norton, with the long taper meggas.
Might even be a Fontana on #19.

Someone else must be howling into the braking area though, as there are a few in the crowd looking back towards the start line....

Renn, don't think you have anymore punters - If you know, can we have their ID's?

Hi, Russ I'm afraid I don't have the answers either. I'm gonna ask Paul, the photographer.

Can I take a flyer on George Collis on Yamaha No 131 ?

Jack Finlay on No 71? Possible sighting of kangaroo on helmet?

Normally a white kangaroo on a blue helmet though, Terry

The George Collis theory sounds ok, though....

Ok, WWW. Having done a few posts now, this should be easy for you gentelmen.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/53319935@N06/5499892535/

Kevin

Herbert Schek on his ISDT BMW, late sixties, this bike was a rolling testbed for the R75/5

Ok too easy, 10 mins. off to the cupboard to find something more taxing.

ECURIE SPORTIVE

It was Norman Lee that owned the rumbling tum in streatham SW16,he was a good friend of mine,Bill Ivy once had a coffee there! .Norman passed away a good number of years now.RIP

Hailwoods team was ECURIE SPORTIVE

Hailwoods team was ECURIE SPORTIVE

We get it...

To be sure, to be sure, to be sure !

The boy must be Irish -- although with a name like that . . . . . . .

Dont think i have put this on before, sorry if i have.

Name the rider

http://www.flickr.com/photos/53319935@N06/5442425446/

Kevin

Eddie Dow?

This is for Russel, i know its not bikes but it is the Palace 1964

Kevin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWp-0TuY4Sk

1965 Dutch TT, no sound tho.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PYlqBIYIHw

Thanks Kevin, pity there seems to be almost no bike stuff out there. Did you ever do the Palace?

Sorry Russell, i never did. The track was closed in 72 i think and would have been only 4. My dad talks a fair bit about it as it was his 2nd nearest track. I was brought up in Sevenoaks, so Brands was the closest. The first real bike race i remember would be at brands and i take it to be a Hutchinson 100 as it went the original way round. Sheen etc was there and i remember a Jap rider coming off out of Paddock big style as straw was sent flying etc.
My dad did get to meet Colin Chapman at the Palace and at Brands, Colin couldnt understand how his Cortina's would catch my dad on the bends but not keep up with him on the straights and would ask what engine has my dad got. My dad used a Manx engine but was looked after by Steve Lancefield so not a slow motor.

Kevin.

12 is obviously George Formby, what about the rest ? Be quick, Larry could be lurking.

A tight little circuit that seemed so often to produce really close racing. A fair bit of of the old track remains still.

The Sevenoaks and District Motor clube seem to do the odd bit at the Palace. I had several races around the UK that older gents would come up to me and say ' you must be John's boy, smooth like him but not as fast!' Oh how easy could it be to go off your dad.
Kevin

How true, Russ

1964 Ulster, 350 start, 5 or 6 bikes already up the road including Redman, Alan Shepherd, Billy McCosh, and Franta Srna & Gustav Havel on the Jawas.

16 Jack Findlay AJS R
11 Fred Stevens AJS 6th
17 Len Ireland Norton R
2 Bruce Beale Honda Twin 4th
7 Dan Shorey AJS 14th
40 A G S (Tony) Woodman AJS 13th
5 Mike Duff AJS 2nd
25 Bob Ritchie Norton 16th
12 Dick Creith Norton (Malcolm McGarrity's) 12th
52 Ray McCullough (!!) Norton R
54 Sid Mizen AJS 10th
56 Eric Simpson Norton R
57 Ernst Weiss (who had the most delicious blonde wife EVER) AJS R
26 Ian McGregor Norton 9th
20 Dick Morley Parilla R

57 Ernst Weiss (who had the most delicious blonde wife EVER) AJS R

Mind on the game please, as in two wheels/photo's....

Pretty damn Impressive Larry, where you there? Have to dissent on Syd Mizen though as he died in April '64.

Er - sadly no, it was practice at Le Mans in April 1966, Russ, as far as I remember.

And yes, I was there in '64, spectating at the Flow Bog Crossroads.

Little did I think that 10 years later I'd be riding there . . . . . . . .

Ooops, '66 it was, although some sources have '64, but since he was ridding in the Island in '65........ Do you have the programme ?

The '64 Ulster one?

Of course!!

Mind you, as far as UGP programmes go, I can't go any further back than 1925

Alistair King. Either 1953 or 1954 Senior Clubman, he rode No. 46 in both years, just to confuse everybody!

52 Ray McCullough (!!) Norton R

Would that have been Joe Ryan's 'Fireplace' Norton. It was supposed to have been damn scruffy but damn quick, I only managed one out of two!

Alitair King, 1954 Senior Clubman.

Kevin

No, Bill, Ray was riding his own 350 - didn't always ride stinkwheels!!

The photo is Dick Creith on Joe's 500 winning the 1965 Ulster - when asked why he never wiped the oil off it, Joe apparently replied "Keeps the rust away".

Hi Larry
Is there any chance of posting a copy of the cover & results pages of 1956 Ulster 500cc GP? John Hartle's first GP win. It would be good to have with the rest of my memorobilia.
Thanks
R

The teapot tells us they're Brits - any idea WWW?

Well, #95 in the background looks like a Parilla, (Dick Wyler ?) but the van says Ginger Molloy, so the group in the pic could be Antipodeans, still tea garglers though...

Interesting...

Colonials - wouldn't the billy be swinging between two uprights. Brits is the only clue thus far, Glenn.

More likely to be Richard Morley's Parilla, so probably 1965.

As far as I can go . . . . . . . . .

You're right on the Parilla, Larry. The guy in the foreground was a circus regular who, I think, stopped racing for a bit and then came back and was killed not too long afterwards.

Don't think we're going to get this chaps, are we. It's Vernon Cottle at Albi in '64. The guy standing next to the Ducati is Peter Gibson. I wonder if he's the same Pete Gibson who around 70/71 was quick on a 500 Seeley?

If that's the same Pete Gibson of Gibson Exhausts, he's alive and well in Victoria, Australia, has a lovely Rennsport replica BMW sidecar and his son Paul races a TR500 Suzuki.

I will pass on the pic to a friend of his to try for further id...

Vernon Cottle featured in a pic we had on a while ago with a 500 GP field setting off in East Germany, it appears he was killed at Imatra in 1964. No good.

For those interested in circus racing during the mid sixties, this is worth a gander - some good pics too
http://www.motoparilla.co.uk/GP_rider_01_intro_2010.htm