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Henry Snee
Originally posted by Russell Burrows
It was definately common knowledge that he said he had developed it; not sure he would have been to forthcoming about precisely what had been done though. His 7R was certainly fast, didnt Alan Barnett win the British Championship on it in '68 - against 'quicker' Aermacchis and supposedly overbored Yams?

In one of Mick Walkers books some details are mentioned about the special bike. It had a heavily oversquare engine with a bore/stroke of 81x68 as against the standard 75.5x78. The press referred to it as the Kirby Morini and it had quite a few special titanium bits inside. It was developed from 1964 but didn't win until 68.

David
chrisb
Originally posted by Russell Burrows


George Beale may be of some help. Some years ago I contacted him about tracing a 7R and while he said there were no factory records for 7R/G50 's - although he has his own records- I'm reasonably certain that he said Norton's kept a record of buyers for new bikes. Doubtful if he has such a thing but it would be worth trying just in case he knows who has, or to get confirmation that such a thing still exits.


Thanks, Russell - worth a try.
ex Rhodie racer
Originally posted by Paul Rochdale
Apologies if I've mentioned this before but this ageing autograph collector is looking for contact addresses for Chris Conn, Rod Gould or Chris Vincent. Any ideas? confused.gif I did discover Dan Shorey's address this morning though. smile.gif


Paul, check your PM´s
Paul Rochdale
Paul
The email for that address bounced back so must be out of date, sorry.
ex Rhodie racer
Sorry mate. I did warn you it was from 2002. I have seen pics of him in the Yamaha classic team with Chas Mortimer and a few other old boys. Maybe if you get in touch with Ferry Brower (spelling?) he can help you.
Paul Rochdale
I have Paul, only this morning, and he has forwarded an email to Rod Gould.
knickerbrook
Thanks for clearing up the Kirby 7R query. I wonder if the motor still exists!
Bernard
I thought Chris Vincents BMW was one of' if not the ,smartest looking outfit of all the sidecar boys at that time.
fil2.8
Originally posted by Bernard
I thought Chris Vincents BMW was one of' if not the ,smartest looking outfit of all the sidecar boys at that time.
Hi Bernard I reckon Colin Seeleys outfits took some beating wink.gif -You could see your face off them cool.gif
Bernard
Yes they were but I suppose my favourite of all was my all time hero the late Georg Auerbacher a bit later than this thread but great vid of 70 TT with Georg throwing the Bee Emm round Ramsey Hairpin here

http://www.vintagebike.co.uk/Video/Racing/Racing%20Video.htm
fil2.8
Originally posted by Bernard
Yes they were but I suppose my favourite of all was my all time hero the late Georg Auerbacher a bit later than this thread but great vid of 70 TT with Georg throwing the Bee Emm round Ramsey Hairpin here

http://www.vintagebike.co.uk/Video/Racing/Racing%20Video.htm
What great shots,B ernard iv'e put this site on favorities and will watch them later wink.gif
Classicpics





Chris Vincent BMW and Colin Seeley Dunstall Norton
ex Rhodie racer
Very evident, from those two great shots by classicpics of CV and CS, what fil2.8 was saying. Colin´s outfit, as always, was absolutely imaculate, whereas Chris´s outfit was, for want of a better word, workmanlike.
Bernard
This is the Vincent outfit I liked

http://www.p-3motorsportphotos.com/en/cate...12/display/1488
gripper
Originally posted by Bernard
Yes they were but I suppose my favourite of all was my all time hero the late Georg Auerbacher a bit later than this thread but great vid of 70 TT with Georg throwing the Bee Emm round Ramsey Hairpin here

http://www.vintagebike.co.uk/Video/Racing/Racing%20Video.htm


Maybe slightly out datewise and not Ramsay but I think still a good shot of Georg

T54
They are wearing their "Winter" goggles... I still have mine but both optics are cracked. I also have my old Baruffaldis, also cracked. Any spare glass lenses anywhere? smile.gif
zilo
[QUOTE]Originally posted by philippe7
T54 ! Nice to have you back wave.gif May I take advantage of your presence on the forum to ask you if you could identify the riders below ? This picture is from a race at Montlhéry in 1969 and was taken by Jean-Claude Arnold and posted by him on the "Mémoire des Stands" blog . The only rider I think I recognize is Jean Auréal on the official Sonauto Yamaha at the very top , but since those were "your" years I was hoping you could name a few other !

[/QUOTE
Not kawa A1r but A7r (350/500 race as usually in France)
CH Bourgeois,on the Duc,R Guili T Tchernine
Russell Burrows
I like the above photograph - anyone know where it was taken? Very nice looking Aermachi there!
Bernard
Paul, we have spoken over the years about Roland Foll, found this which you may know about

http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus.php?db=ms&n=3825
Russell Burrows


Does anyone remember Dick !
fil2.8
Originally posted by Russell Burrows


Does anyone remember Dick !
Yes Russell he also had Tohatsu 125's I cannot remenber who rode them . Dave and Mike Simmonds up.gif are the obvious answers but i'm sure it wasn't them. wave.gif
Russell Burrows
Originally posted by fil2.8
Yes Russell he also had Tohatsu 125's I cannot remenber who rode them . Dave and Mike Simmonds up.gif are the obvious answers but i'm sure it wasn't them. wave.gif


Yeah, he was connected in some way with Cyril Jones, who rode the Tohatsu, and perhaps Wyler owned it? He himself raced a CR93 Honda and a 7R, which I have read somewhere was an ex Fred Neville bike. Can you remember what his claim to fame outside of bikes was?
fil2.8
Originally posted by Russell Burrows


Yeah, he was connected in some way with Cyril Jones, who rode the Tohatsu, and perhaps Wyler owned it? He himself raced a CR93 Honda and a 7R, which I have read somewhere was an ex Fred Neville bike. Can you remember what his claim to fame outside of bikes was?
wink.gif Wasn't he involved in the film industry ? sad.gif I'm sure your'e right about Cyril Jones. ambivalent.gif
renzo
this is a post from a while ago i made!
coincidence or what?
i bought it from cyrils shop for £40!in 68?



my old ford thames former owner was*richard wyler*remember the tv series *the man from interpol?*.
he raced tohatsu bikes for a few years(going back a long way).
i still remember the reg number.....XOY92 his name was in the log book




roflmao.gif
Russell Burrows
Hello chaps, as I read your post Renzo I relaised I had read that information about the van, Cyril and Richard somewhere - sorry I didnt realise it was here. Unusual character Wyler dont you think? I know he was the man from Interpol but cant say that I ever watched it. He also popped up in films from the 50's to the 80's, I think. Apparently he went to Hollywood in fifties - not sure if he raced bikes in the States. Do you remember his 'Coffee bar Cowboy' column in one of the papers? I can recall him in the late seventies writing in the M/C press about his experiences working as a motorcyle courier. I wonder if he is still with us? I've Googled him but not much there.
He was no slouch on the CR93, particularly since he was no spring chicken even then. I pretty sure his 7R was Fred Neville's old bike and that the shop in Worcester Park was the original shop opened by Fred about nine months before he was killed.
pykey
This forum is mindbending and brings back so many happy memories incidenty my 1st race meeting i went to was Rydydymn ouside Mold sorry about the spelling? and my 1st visit to Mona's Isle was 1959 the SeniorTT a day trip and saw nothing due to bad weather the cost 1 pound 1 shilling for a day return, i saw nothing exept thousands of bikes and i returned in Sept to the MGP i think Ellis Boyce won the senior?
pykey
I read in a old TT programe that John Hartle was a passenger for Pip Harris in 1954 can anyone confirm that he actually did go in the chair with Pip?
Graham Gauld
No, but he did two Tests with Aston Martin and managed to badly damage a DBR1 in at least one of them.
renzo
another convert from the tt website? roflmao.gif
pykey
Absoluty Renzio and i remember Renzo at the TT he has a style which was different as he leaned the other way?
fines
And what has the one to do with the other? lol.gif
Herr Wankel
Hi Guys,On the Tohatsu/Dick Wyler question.Phil Horsham,Charlie Mates and Jim Pink,all rode them in the late 60s.Could have been some of the same machines that Dick had after he had finished with them.I know that Jim Pink had his own dealership and sponsored a few lads himself.In the 70s I was offered 2 Tohatsus as a straight swap for my CR110 by (I think) Bob Udall who rode both chairs and solos at various times.His rider was Gary Dix(this is taxing my memory).For some reason I turned him down!As their were never many Tohatsus around they could have been the same bikes that Dick had also.
Russell Burrows
Originally posted by Graham Gauld
No, but he did two Tests with Aston Martin and managed to badly damage a DBR1 in at least one of them.


John Surtees, Damon Hill, Mike Hailwood, Geoff Duke, Bob Anderson, Gary Hocking, Bill Ivy and Derek Minter are just some of bike riders to have dabbled in car racing - some with a modicum of success. Piers Forrester's name comes to mind as someone who moved in the opposite direction - can't think of too many others.
pykey
Herr i will pass on that question wink.gif
fil2.8
Originally posted by Russell Burrows


Buy one get one free - seemed like a good deal to me. I can only ever recall seeing Dave Simmonds and Cyril Jones on them, but then I wasn't here after 67. I'm pretty certain Cyril's and Dave's bike were not one and the same. I think Dave Simmonds's father imported them from Japan - a task made easier for him as a BA pilot or something similar. I certainly recall Simmonds being pretty much unbeatable in both 50 and 125 races around 63- 65. He later got hold of two exotic Honda's, CR72/CR77? - perhaps again via Dad's contacts.
wink.gif Yes Russell Dave Simmonds was a particular favorite of mine up.gif Had a very competive stable the 305 he put in a featherbed frame with high level exhausts I seem to recall .They thought nothing of 4 different classes a day -todays 'stars' would throw the toys out of the pram I expect !!! wave.gif
Herr Wankel
I read somewhere that Dave Simmonds dad was the 'link'when it came to obtaining the unobtainable.Indeed my CR110 was alledged to have been 'imported' by the RAF! 3 Tohatsus entered at the 1967 Mallory ROY.The
3 mentioned before(Pink,Horsham,Mates)
Bjorn Kjer
I would be very interested to an answer to post 1 !
Russell Burrows
Originally posted by fil2.8
wink.gif Yes Russell Dave Simmonds was a particular favorite of mine up.gif Had a very competive stable the 305 he put in a featherbed frame with high level exhausts I seem to recall .They thought nothing of 4 different classes a day -todays 'stars' would throw the toys out of the pram I expect !!! wave.gif


I can remember him crashing both of those Honda's in the same Brands meeting - their aluminum fairings twisted to buggery, probably making the damage look worse. Later, I overheard a very well known individual discussing Dave's crashes and being fairly adamant that he should stick to riding 'littleuns'.
fil2.8
Originally posted by Russell Burrows


I can remember him crashing both of those Honda's in the same Brands meeting - their aluminum fairings twisted to buggery, probably making the damage look worse. Later, I overheard a very well known individual discussing Dave's crashes and being fairly adamant that he should stick to riding 'littleuns'.

biggrin.gif I think at Castle Coombe in 1965 he won 2-3 of his rides .In my opinion a class act cool.gif and don't forget his rides on the H1R -outstanding
Russell Burrows
Originally posted by fil2.8

biggrin.gif I think at Castle Coombe in 1965 he won 2-3 of his rides .In my opinion a class act cool.gif and don't forget his rides on the H1R -outstanding


I agree. Later though he had something going on with his arm. I'm pretty certain it was due to a racing injury - pictures from the late sixties often show it - his elbow kinda poking out or something similar. But yeah, good rider.
fil2.8
Originally posted by Russell Burrows


I agree. Later though he had something going on with his arm. I'm pretty certain it was due to a racing injury - pictures from the late sixties often show it - his elbow kinda poking out or something similar. But yeah, good rider.
Thats strange sad.gif thats what I remember most ambivalent.gif I can not remember any different
Yendor
Originally posted by fil2.8

biggrin.gif I think at Castle Coombe in 1965 he won 2-3 of his rides .In my opinion a class act cool.gif and don't forget his rides on the H1R -outstanding


Castle Coombe 1966 (He didn't win this one smile.gif )

fil2.8
Originally posted by Yendor


Castle Coombe 1966 (He didn't win this one smile.gif )

wave.gif Hello Rod is that you behind Dave before the day-glo . smoking.gif If so I expect you won !! love.gif
GD66
Also Ago, Barry Sheene, Johnny Cecotto, Wayne Gardner, Jeff Ward, Eddie Lawson, Vittorio Brambilla, Jack Brabham, Graeme Crosby, Piero Taruffi, Stuart Graham, Tazio Nuvolari : for some, it was a conduit, for others a cul-de-sac....
Yendor
Originally posted by fil2.8
wave.gif Hello Rod is that you behind Dave before the day-glo . smoking.gif If so I expect you won !! love.gif


Yes I'm afraid it is me and it was the very first National Meeting that I had a win in. Actually, thinking about it, it may have been 1965 and not '66. ambivalent.gif
fil2.8
Originally posted by Yendor


Yes I'm afraid it is me and it was the very first National Meeting that I had a win in. Actually, thinking about it, it may have been 1965 and not '66. ambivalent.gif
I thought it was .If my memory is right I had already seen you in day-glo before that meeting biggrin.gif so it could have been '66
llmaurice
One could say that at least they had a go , whereas there have been precious few of the 4 wheeled brigade that even tried .
In club racing there are a few even recently ,for instance Julian Stock Ian Ashley ,bernie Toleman all spring to mind.
Recently ,even Schumacher left the motorcycle world less than open mouthed with his performance on the Ducastrophie !
fines
Must be a record even for a TNF thread, off topic in less than half an hour and not coming back! frown.gif
fines
Sorry, but this thread is not about two or four wheels, but three! stoned.gifwink.gif
Russell Burrows
Originally posted by fines
Sorry, but this thread is not about two or four wheels, but three! stoned.gifwink.gif


No, it's our question - the clue is in the questioners tag drunk.gif
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