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Personal photos of Australian motor racing '50s to '70s

Started by kaydee , Feb 25 2007 11:18

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#601 Ray Bell

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Posted 19 June 2007 - 12:45

Ahh... that's why the fence is so close!

Perhaps John Medley can add more about the Porsche, and also that wire wheel to the right under what appears to be a DB3S guard. And is that a D-type in the foreground?

#602 kaydee

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Posted 19 June 2007 - 12:58

Originally posted by Ray Bell
Ahh... that's why the fence is so close!

Perhaps John Medley can add more about the Porsche, and also that wire wheel to the right under what appears to be a DB3S guard. And is that a D-type in the foreground?

Not sure what the wire wheel is attached to but the program does list two "Austin Martin"s [sic]!!!!
I think that the car in the foreground is probably Derek's Lotus XV.

#603 kaydee

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Posted 20 June 2007 - 05:37

Some more photos from Orange - Feb '60

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Alec Mildren leading the field away in the 10 lap "Anniversary Championship" Racing Car event.

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General view of Pit Area with #6 Ross Dalton's C Type Jaguar in the foreground.

#604 Stan Patterson

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Posted 21 June 2007 - 09:44

The car in the foreground is clearly the lovely Lotus XV..while the drum braked car on the right is the eternally disappointing production DB3S of Sulman.

I remember reading where David Mckay said a well driven Healey was nearly as quick..

excellent pics Kaydee..your motorcycle pics of Ken Kavanagh are with MCA ..as we speak

Stan Patterson

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Posted 22 June 2007 - 01:28

Would anyone like to hazard a guess re the rednosed blue car between the two red MG Specials?

I have one idea -- but I have no recollection of those colours on the car I'm thinking of

#606 sandy

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Posted 22 June 2007 - 03:16

Natty head gear in the #12 JWF pic - umbrella and hat combined.

#607 Stan Patterson

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Posted 22 June 2007 - 07:08

What is Number 62

Stan

#608 kaydee

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Posted 22 June 2007 - 07:32

Originally posted by Stan Patterson
What is Number 62

Stan

Stan,
According to the Program - #62 is a Berkeley B95 and #63 is a Berkeley B105.
Kevin

#609 kaydee

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Posted 22 June 2007 - 08:11

A couple more photos from Orange, Feb '60 -

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Start of the Australian Touring Car Championship race with the three Jaguars of Ron Hodgson, Bill Pitt and David McKay

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Another photo in the pits - David Finch, D Type Jaguar

#610 Patrick Fletcher

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Posted 22 June 2007 - 10:42

Great photos Kevin - see that the Berkley B105 # 63 has now moved to # 68......... history unfolding 47 years later ..... is the spelling on the trailer correct ?

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Posted 22 June 2007 - 10:48

Originally posted by Patrick Fletcher
Great photos Kevin - see that the Berkley B105 # 63 has now moved to # 68......... history unfolding 47 years later ..... is the spelling on the trailer correct ?

Patrick...a vertical brace on the trailer is making the 63 into the 68....probably no change in number.

#612 eldougo

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Posted 22 June 2007 - 10:50

That the RED pipe off the in the way that make it look like 68 not 63...as youcan see.

#613 Stan Patterson

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Posted 22 June 2007 - 11:01

wow,, do i need Neil Crompton to tell me what is happening?

MORE AND MORE ABOUT LESS AND LESS

motor racing inflation

Damn it all

KAYDEE RULES

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#614 kaydee

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Posted 22 June 2007 - 11:06

Originally posted by Patrick Fletcher
Great photos Kevin - see that the Berkley B105 # 63 has now moved to # 68......... history unfolding 47 years later ..... is the spelling on the trailer correct ?

Patrick,
Sorry, my typo. The spelling on the trailer is correct - even the spelling in the Program is correct.
(I've edited my original post so that the spelling doesn't get perpetuated!)
Kevin

#615 Patrick Fletcher

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Posted 22 June 2007 - 11:18

Sorry..... was in the Lotus 20 position and could not see the vertical brace ... and thanks kaydee for the great photos and the spelling correction - looked in a few NZ lists and they have the two cars that raced in the deep south [ Crosbie and Cottle ] as Berkley.

#616 Twister

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Posted 22 June 2007 - 12:20

It's going to be a sad day when you guys run out of these great photo's,and whats great is the memories that it must bring back and information you share.
I dread the thought of all the great history being lost!
I heard a story of a guy cleaning up his late fathers house and throwing out
hundreds of slides........

#617 giffo

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Posted 22 June 2007 - 12:33

Would anyone have a starters list & full results for round 5 of the Aust Formula 2 championship of 1974 held at Symmons Plains in Tassie?

#618 275 GTB-4

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Posted 22 June 2007 - 12:41

Originally posted by Twister
It's going to be a sad day when you guys run out of these great photo's,and whats great is the memories that it must bring back and information you share.
I dread the thought of all the great history being lost!
I heard a story of a guy cleaning up his late fathers house and throwing out
hundreds of slides........

Very well said and happens all too often Twist....thank goodness for whats left...I hope most of it finds its way to a government run archive....they may not know the significance of what they get but at least they know about preservation :smoking:

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Posted 22 June 2007 - 12:51

Yes 275 GTB-4,
That's why I decided to start building the history of Collingrove hillclimb.
The only problem is I keep finding more great storys and photos of the characters and then
feel I should do a quick run down on them!
My project just gets bigger!!!!

#620 275 GTB-4

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Posted 22 June 2007 - 13:43

Originally posted by Twister
Yes 275 GTB-4,
That's why I decided to start building the history of Collingrove hillclimb.
The only problem is I keep finding more great storys and photos of the characters and then
feel I should do a quick run down on them!
My project just gets bigger!!!!

Hee hee..it would help if your link didn't go to Sweetnam Horse Stud :clap:

#621 cosworth bdg

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Posted 23 June 2007 - 03:12

Originally posted by Stan Patterson
wow,, do i need Neil Crompton to tell me what is happening?

MORE AND MORE ABOUT LESS AND LESS

motor racing inflation

Damn it all

KAYDEE RULES

Stan

#622 kaydee

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Posted 23 June 2007 - 03:31

More photos from the Australian Touring Car Championship meeting at Orange in Feb 1960 -

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The caption on this slide says "Ron Hodgson's 3.8 Jag approaching Speets Bend"

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Brian Foley in Austin A40 leading J Malcolm in Austin Lancer

#623 2Bob

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Posted 23 June 2007 - 07:19

Hi Kayedee,

Is this the Derek Jolly car at that meeting?

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I think we could have bumped into each other!

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The start of a sports car race - looks like the Jag C-type that you took in the pits.

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Added this one because it appeals to me!

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I lived in Orange in those days - now (and since 1968) in your home town. Small world.

Please keep posting the brilliant pictures.

#624 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 June 2007 - 13:11

Originally posted by giffo
Would anyone have a starters list & full results for round 5 of the Aust Formula 2 championship of 1974 held at Symmons Plains in Tassie?

That would be in Racing Car News, I would expect...

And 'J Malcolm' was John Malcolm who had a workshop in Newtown for many years.

#625 normbeechey

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Posted 23 June 2007 - 22:46

Originally posted by 2Bob
Hi Kayedee,

The (ex?) Derek Jolly Decca Special on the front row?

#626 Stan Patterson

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Posted 23 June 2007 - 22:49

Yes,

and visitng American Rod Carveth in his black 1956 Aston Martin DB3S next to him..

Stan Patterson

#627 Milan Fistonic

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Posted 24 June 2007 - 09:57

Originally posted by giffo
Would anyone have a starters list & full results for round 5 of the Aust Formula 2 championship of 1974 held at Symmons Plains in Tassie?

ANF2 Round 5 - Symmons Plains - September 22 1974

Grid
1 – L. Geoghegan – Birrana 274 Hart – 56.5
2 – B. Allison – Birrana 274 Hart – 56.9
3 – B. Muir – Birrana 273 Hart – 56.9
4 – S. Rajah – March 732 Hart – 57.0
5 – M. Ramsay – Birrana 273 Hart – 57.5
6 – R. Winter – Mildren Lotus – 57.6
7 – G. Crawford – Birrana 273 Ford – 59.1
8 – C. Talbot – Birrana 274 England – 59.9
9 – C. Farrell – Elfin 600B Hart – 59.9
10 – I. Douglas – March 743 – 63.1
11 – K. Bartlett – Lola T360 Hart – 65.0

Result
1 – Bob Muir – 44:30.1 (63.3)
2 – Ray Winter – 39 laps (64.8)
3 – Sonny Rajah – 39 laps (65.7)
4 – Graeme Crawford – 37 laps (68.6)
5 – Chris Farrell – 30 laps (75.5)

Insufficient laps to qualify
Chas Talbot – 28 laps (82.9)
Leo Geoghegan – 24 laps (69.8)

DNF
Bruce Allison – engine failure – 23 laps
Malcolm Ramsay – accident – 1 lap
Kevin Bartlett – accident – 1 lap

#628 giffo

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Posted 24 June 2007 - 23:47

Cheers Milan

#629 kaydee

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Posted 25 June 2007 - 09:26

Some more photos taken at the Feb '60 Orange meeting -

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"Gasoline Alley" in the Orange pits -

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(I have previously posted this photo in another thread but have included it for those that might have missed it.)
Frank Matich checking out Derek Jolly's Lotus XV in the pits at Orange prior to the arrival of his own car.

#630 kaydee

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Posted 25 June 2007 - 10:30

Originally posted by 2Bob
Hi Kayedee,
Is this the Derek Jolly car at that meeting?

Yes, I think it is Derek Jolly's Lotus at the same Meeting -

The start of a sports car race

This photo looks more like the Decca Special and could have been taken at another meeting?

#631 Stan Patterson

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Posted 25 June 2007 - 10:38

Rod Carveth visited Australia in 1959..so that pic is 1959.....it is assumed Derek Jolly was in UK "negotiating" with Coin Chapman for most of 1959.

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Posted 25 June 2007 - 14:44

The Mark 2 Decca seems to be featured in a few photos.
The Original Mk1 is hard to find photos.
I purchased the Blanden book which had a photo from Rob Roy.
I never new it caught fire first time out!!!
I wish the climax engine was not robbed to build the Mk2........
I heard that Eldred Norman's daughter was in town researching
her fathers life.
Is his son still in Adelaide?
Keep it coming Guy's it Oh so good!

#633 Ray Bell

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 11:21

Bronnie lives in Tewantin... Mike has a workshop in Noosaville, Bill is around Murwillumbah somewhere...

Nancy died about six or eight years ago.

#634 Twister

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 11:27

Ray you are a Gem....all that information stored up there "Car Brain of the Universe!!!!!"

#635 kaydee

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 12:43

Last two photos from opening Warwck Farm Meeting - Dec '60 -

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Bill Patterson leading Bib Stillwell along Pit Straight -

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Leo Geoghegan's #3 white Lotus Elite and probably Bill Buckle's yellow Buckle Coupe behind?

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 14:02

Looks like my father David's Elite, but his is a super 95 with only 24000miles since he purchased it new off Derek Jolley.
Leo Geoghegan's will be driving a heap of Elite's at the 50th Celebration in October

#637 Ray Bell

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 21:17

Here's a couple of pics from Terry McGrath... he'd like to have them identified. From Queensland in the fifties, he says...

#638 Dick Willis

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 21:35

I've seen the first pic before and have often wondered if it is a"streamliner" HRG.

#639 Ray Bell

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Posted 27 June 2007 - 08:47

Good to see you posting again, Dick...

Where have you been?

#640 Stan Patterson

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Posted 27 June 2007 - 09:23

It looks more Allard-ic to me

And anyway, in the second pic, the Rover 75 P4 is more exciting
.....

Stan Patterson

#641 Dick Willis

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Posted 27 June 2007 - 11:44

Ray, been too busy racing and fixing those damn old racing cars, I must dig out some old photos to post on this thread.

#642 Ray Bell

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Posted 27 June 2007 - 12:53

Top plan, Dick...

But don't stop racing, will you?

#643 seldo

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Posted 27 June 2007 - 20:03

Originally posted by Dick Willis
I've seen the first pic before and have often wondered if it is a"streamliner" HRG.

I thought it looked a bit like a very tired Doretti which was built on TR2 chassis from memory

#644 275 GTB-4

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Posted 28 June 2007 - 06:28

Originally posted by seldo

I thought it looked a bit like a very tired Doretti which was built on TR2 chassis from memory

Quote: Not Doretti, Grab handle wrong, Drums are not right, Windscreen lays flat, Curve down at front and rear guards too sharp, But, spare wheel in boot lies same angle as Doretti, guards look familiar. Who knows? has been cut around so much.

Yes P4, but one in background too small for A40, Suicide doors, is it continental? like Fiat, Renault or Citroen?

In foreground, large centre piece to spokes, suggest 1930's period, distance from radiator to front of gearbox very tiny, 2 cylinder space? Jowett? or Bradford? Obviously special.

#645 bradbury west

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Posted 28 June 2007 - 07:48

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by 275 GTB-4
Quote: like Fiat, Renault or Citroen?

Topolino?

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#646 Ray Bell

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Posted 28 June 2007 - 08:16

Originally posted by bradbury west
Topolino?

That's the only car it can be...

#647 rms

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Posted 28 June 2007 - 09:16

Rover, Fiat Topolino, Austin 7 Special

#648 Stan Patterson

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Posted 28 June 2007 - 09:38

Is interesting how Patto ruled with a single wishbone rear suspension T51, ala Kaydee pic

With a Whiteford tuned 2 Litre, Patto hounded JB's World Championship Winning T51 ..at the 'Island March1960 and later at Bathurst that same year.......Patto set Residential Lap Records....we must re-apparaise the Sydney-Centirc mythology about our fastest driver..

Stan
Musing

#649 Ray Bell

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Posted 28 June 2007 - 09:48

Are you still harping on that, Stan?

At least it's not Stillwell's praises you're singing tonight...

#650 Stan Patterson

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Posted 28 June 2007 - 10:04

Come on Ray,

These debates are fun...and informative

No need to get aggro

Patto = Our Gonzalez
Davison = Our Collins
Jones = Our Moss
Stillwell = Our Brooks
Matich = Our Stewart

Lets talkkkk

Stan

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