why wasnt the March 701 the ground breaker?
#1
Posted 14 November 2007 - 06:57
In my mind the March 701 was the first reverse wing ground effects car, why didnt it work when it (looks like it) should have had a downforce advantage?
Aero experts care to chime in please....
#3
Posted 14 November 2007 - 07:17
The reason why skirts were invented was to "seal" the car underside to the ground and make a "tunnel" under the car. Then the wign shape would have created underpressure to the "tunnel" and this underpressure was the thing that sucked the car to the track.
Without skirts the wing shape tries to do the right thing but air leaks to ruin everything.
Someone will hopefully post pictures and explain this in native english speaking words...
#4
Posted 14 November 2007 - 11:56
My guess is that it was 'obvious' that some sort of sliding skirt wouldn't live long enough, and that you couldn't lock the suspension down so that a non sliding skirt would be effective.
As it happens, both arguments were wrong, but that is 20/20 hindsight.
#5
Posted 14 November 2007 - 12:17
The problem was that the skirts were plastic so they disintegrated after the first contact to the tarmac... so they never saw the effects and never realized the potential of skirts back then.
#6
Posted 14 November 2007 - 15:07
#7
Posted 14 November 2007 - 15:47
#8
Posted 14 November 2007 - 17:00
#9
Posted 14 November 2007 - 17:04
#10
Posted 14 November 2007 - 18:42
"First use of wings on a car.
The idea of attaching wings to an automobile can be credited to the Curtiss Aeroplane Company with the Aerocar. 1917...
http://www.museumoff.../autoplane.html
Originally posted by scarbs
In fact the first wing car was a BRM project as far back as the sixties (1968-9).
#11
Posted 15 November 2007 - 07:40
Originally posted by scarbs
The March rightly wasn’t referred to as the ground breaker, in fact the Lotus 78 wasn’t either. In fact the first wing car was a BRM project as far back as the sixties (1968-9).
No I'm sure Da Vinci drew something too and that in fact was the first.
No track time, doesnt rate.
#12
Posted 15 November 2007 - 23:11
#13
Posted 16 November 2007 - 10:44
I remember this rocket powered 1928 Opel from a set of 'Top Trumps' in the 70s...Originally posted by phantom II
In this forum someone posted a picture of a 1914 Opel with wings a few years back. ... It looks like a 50s race car with airplane wings sticking out the sides. Would make passing interesting. The wings arent even inverted, they just have a negative A of A.
More info here
Regards, Ian
#14
Posted 18 November 2007 - 22:51
#15
Posted 19 November 2007 - 10:12
Originally posted by murpia
I remember this rocket powered 1928 Opel from a set of 'Top Trumps' in the 70s...
Regards, Ian
And the cute Opel thing in the background is a 400hp 4wd ice racer from memory.