Wow! - that was quick!
But the 50cc machinery?
The other driver?
When?



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Ah!! don't know that bit!

I believe thats the WB frame but I can't recall the names. Brian Wooley (?) and another designed and built it. I have the details somewhere. I'll have to dig them out and post them.

Found it. Wooley and Bone. Details below.
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My friend Claudios beautiful Itom with replica Spondon type frame
Has anyone got a pic of a real one?



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The bike behind Walter's 1963 Mondial/Montesa/Whatever-the-Villa-Bros-Concocted is an itom of course. I cannot distinguish the face of the driver...

Thats right - Walter Villa on a Mondial in front of Mencaglia on Itom, Imola 1963.


Who and what?




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I am not so good on these little fellers!!, but may be Henk De Vries Kreidler.
He might be a cyclist!!? Jan De Vries?

I just want that Fontana front brake on my coffee table.

I'd go with twin discs. I hear coffe tables stop much better with discs.

Discs have no poetry.

Its a Monark ,thats for sure...
But who is Swede who doesnt know He should be on top..?
I think it might be Johansson.

The sharp down-angle of the clip-ons is reminiscent of Jarno Saarinen's set-up.

Could it be a young Jarno?

Blimey Mick!! thats a good call?

Sorry, no this is former Monark GP- driver Lars Persson, who in 74 entered races on this privatly entered Penningson.
Built from parts purchased from the Monark factory by Lars Persson and Göran Henningson = Penningson.



Last year Persson and Henningson returned to the 50cc class, where Lars Persson drives a fast ZM Kreidler.
Here he is sandviched between Rolf Heljefors (Camaro) and Jon Nordstrøm (Emot- Minarelli), going through the esses - Sviesta 2008.





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Ta Graham, the likeness is remarkable though, I would have put a couple of quid on that......and lost !!

Compared to the guys I used to race with, the ones in the above picture appear as giants...

One of them clearly is. Less than sylph like riders, massively padded leathers, 'modern' riding style, undersized wheels.........sometimes I think somethings are best left alone ?

You can say that again Russell.

I agree 100% Russell, why anyone who weighed more than 7 stone (about 45kg for our continental friends) would try to ride a 50 competitively is beyond me!!

Lars Persson he's not so big, that Calimero Kreidler it's so small.

You couldn´t be more wrong on this matter!!!

Classic racing is all about having fun! - Some wants to relive their youth, others now got the time and means to realize their boyhood dreams, and last classic racing are for fully grown men, not boys!

And we are having fun! Fellow racer Jon Nordstrøm has had so much fun that he is Nordic- champion for the third year in a row!





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Hi there

Who can argue against fun....... is it though the only consideration ? If classic racing is 'all about' this to the detriment of re-creating something that old codgers such as myself remember with great fondness, doesn't it then become something else ?

That is a great photo!!

Hello Everybody !
My name is Rolf "Hägar" Heljefors!
Hägar is Dick Browns Viking and the nickname I belive Rene Wesselius
gave me some years ago down in Germany!

By an coincidence i found this page and also me too :=)
Well I am one of them big Nordic guys with padded leathers that
racing around with sharp elbows and like bumble bees we dont know we can fly
With my pedegree I use different lines to take me to the top..
The pic that shows Me Lars and Jon we need to change the date because that was last year 2007.
And also..Nä Anders it is not that fast...but beutiful Yes ;=)
This year I have used my own Silver Bullit.
There is alot more pics if you like;=)
Cheers
Hägar

Lovely bike !!

Welcome Hagar, hope you enjoy the forum.

Yes, hello Rolf and welcome from me too.

Hi Rolf welcome from me also , hope you enjoy all aspects of the forum

Thank you so much !:=)

Wery nice forum with lots of pics !
I will try to contribute with some pics and comments too..
Some people in this forum knows me since earlyer and some is new.
That is the fun part to learn all the new friends you have on this forum

This thread has alot of fun things to make comment on,
and I love to tease,chat and have a great laugh.

First I would like to comment on that weight discussion earlyer on this forum..
I say its allmost a state of mental issue nowadays..
havin said that of coarse it is far easyer to cary around 60 kg instead of 90kg the figure I have...

But I dont care that much about that and the people that knows me they shure knows
I find my way around both big and small guys,...

Some pics from this year in Sweden

Cheers
Hägar

Hi Hagar...I see you found this secret spot too.



About too big guys riding too small bikes:
I have a few 50cc racing friends in the UK ,and they like to come over to the continent.
Their complaint is always that 50cc racing is just not taken serious by a lot of people in the UK.
"Its something to have fun about...racing with miniature racers ,guess the rides are afraid to ride real bikes..."

We race those things because of the interesting technical complexity ,the beauty of the bikes ,and because they are demanding to race.
But when you do it right they are just extremely fast for their size.

Sometimes we have mixed runs. This gives an idea of how fast these bikes really are (even with too big guys on it)
250cc 4strokers and 125cc 1cilinder twostrokers can get in serious trouble on longer tracks.
On the short dutch roadcircuits even 350 or 500cc bikes must beware.

Another interesting fact:
A few years ago there were both a modern 50cc (tuned moped engines with 20mm carbs) 4 hour endurance race and a Italian youngtimer 4 hour endurance at Croix circuit in France.
Despite the fact that the Italian guys had very useful stuff like Laverda sfc replica's and raceprepared Ducati Pantahs their times compared to the 50cc guys were such that the would not have been fast enough for any podium place in the 50cc field..!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by emotracing

Hi

Fifty racing appeared in Britain in the late 50's but didnt flourish to the same extent as it did in Europe. This was probably largely due to there being too few quick and technically interesting bikes here; in the early to mid sixties most guys were on three speed Itoms. I can clearly remember the laughter emanting from the crowd when Itom mounted guys needed change down to climb up to Druids at Brands, and sometimes even to crest the little rise out of Clearways. Had Tohatsu or Kriedler for example made their racers more readily available here, the story would almost certainly have been different.

Hello everybody,i like to introduce myself.......if it is permitted i like to join you on this forum.
Some guys here know me already from the classic 50cc races in Holland,Sweden and Germany.
My name is Rene and i am racing a Sachs 50 and i am building a Suzuki rm64 50cc works replica.
Later i will post more if you like,i have to excuse my English........that is not so good but i think you will understand
Rene

p.s. about heavy racers.......i can tell you more

Hello Rene!
Nice to have you here !
Two rookies the same day on this forum and also some heavy guys...
I think we need to stand on each side of this forum or otherwise the computers
of the other visitors, will tilt down on the floor...MOUHAHAHA
Nice to speak to you!
Also I know youre English is exellent..Dont be so humble my friend
How does youre body feel at the moment?

Cheers

Greetings to you Rene and a warm welcome don't worry about your English I can think of a lot of Brits whose English is ummmmmmmm poor

Rene your English is very good, probably better than ours.

Allo, Allo, Rene.......look foward to your contributions.

Thank you all for this warm welcome.
@Hägar....my body feels like its hit by a truck at the moment
For the other members i explain........last thursday i had an operation on my spine(back)and now i am recovering........
as soon as i know how to place some pic,s here i will do that.
The 50cc classic racing world is a small world and the majority of the racers know eachother,on this forum i have seen already a couple of guys i know.
It is not only racing what attracts us,it is also the technical challence to make a moped go fast.
When we meet again on the track it is about 1 hour of racing and 15 hours of talking about it,drinking coffee(or thea)and in Hägars case eating körve and hamburgare.
the most of us are a little older and easier then 30-40 years ago,but when we are sitting on the racer we all want to pass the guy in front of us
The main point is having fun,and in one piece going home.
rene

Hoi Rene !
Putting out pics on the forum was not the easyest thing..
Right click the pics and copy the name http etc..
Then ad them in IMG Frame above.

Jill an I are thinking of you and ask the Lord of Backs to be kind to you....

See you later

And with these new members, the technical level of this thread will reach new heights!
Enjoy the many humorous remarks, the insight, and especially, the technical- PORN provided
I´m sure that Rene will show us, how to build a race- fifty, from the ground up - using nothing but raw materials
Thanks for joining guys


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here a pic of last years race in Linköping Sweden
#88 is martijn(emotracing)#90 is me [img]http://http://pvl-dokumentation.pvlsverige.se/#2.4[/img]
sorry the picture does,nt show,Hägar HELP............
rene

Rene, which hosting site are you using ? Photobucket is pretty straightforward.

Hello Rene !
I guess you mean this pic..
I will guide you how to put out pictures on this page tomorrow.
Cheers
Hägar

AHA!!!!!!
Now I found the ealyer problem..
well this is my friend Rene and the Viking welding a exhaust that broke down during practice at Sviestad 2008.
Wery nice frienship between all of us,trying the hardest we can to kick back the fellow rider out on the track once more to play...
Everybody travells long stints to race and if things go bang there is often one fellow that have some peice of junk to repair the victim....
And a good welding device is just like a CPR in the paddock...:=)

Yes I cannot do it all alone...
Thanks to the joining of Hagar and Rene the technical level of this thread will reach new depths...
What we do basically is recycling old junk.
Rene is especially good at it...
A sane man would buy a new racer in the crate..but then again...they are mostly 4(wrong)strokers these days.
So we'll stick to the old 2stroke stuff.

The picture system on this forum is a bit difficult.
I didn't manage to get it done too.

Greetings,
nr 88.

I am not sure if I like "Photobucket"
But I sure do like pictures of 80cc bikes...!

Emot wrote:Yes I cannot do it all alone...
Thanks to the joining of Hagar and Rene the technical level of this thread will reach new depths...
What we do basically is recycling old junk.
Rene is especially good at it...

well.......when there is no old junk left you have to create new old junk............
and thats just what i am doing with my Suzuki-project.
A Suzuki rm 64 is so rare there are no more parts or bikes available,so you have to fabricate all parts yourselve.
I am working the last 4-5 years on the bike and now i have good hope the bike will be ready for next years race in Linköping in august.
the frame,tank,seat wheels and brakes are ready and the engine casings are being casted now.
when the engine casings are ready casting there will be a lot of machining on them,the parts are already waiting for the casings,cranck,gearbox,cillinder,clutch and sprockets are ready to go
as soon as i figure it out how to get some pic,s here i will show you.

the Suzuki is not the only project i am working on,a couple of weeks ago i converted a Sachs engine from an upright cillinder to an horizontal cillinder,the plan is to built a new frame for this engine before the start of the season.
It will be a monocoque frame from around 1979 with casted wheels and a disc brake.
rene

this are pic,s of some casted suzuki engine parts and wooden models of the casings

I never cared for photobucket either. I use imageshack. Much easier and you can resize photos as you load them.

Hello guys, back to the golden years of 50cc racing, silence for the storm at the 1976 Dutch TT Assen.

Good Morning chaps !

And this is also the silent minutes just before the striking moment 28 overweighted,too old wannabies and one World Champion kicks off and have fun
The grid is in Sweden One Sunday afternoon in August 2008
The fotographer I belive is Tet.
Cheers

Nice picture Ton

Right to left: Stefan Dörflinger, Rudolph Kunz, Hans Hummel, Herbert Rittberger, 7?, 34?, Cees vanDongen,
?, Aldo Pero?, YOU, 3?



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That's not bad Anders

8. #7. Nico from N.L.

9. #34. Gerrit from N.L.

11. #31. Engelbert also N.L.

12. #11. Aldo Pero from Italy, right.

13. #32. the only Hemeyla on the grid

14. #33. you can't see him, but his brother Co (from a wel known racing family) just walks away

15. #3. G.P. winner the same year !!

Out of sight at the front row, 1. Angel Nieto - Bultaco, 2. Eugenio Lazarinni - Kreidler, 3. Ulrich Graf - Kreidler.

And the rest of the world behind, but nobody from Scandinavia

30 starters, 22 Kreidlers, 2 Derbi's, 1 Bultaco, 1 Villa, 1 ABF, 1 DRM, 1 Scrab-Tyl and 1 Hemeyla of course.