No mention of Clubmans Bs though Phil was there. If they'd kept a U2 or 2 somewhere on the premises, I'm sure business would be much brisker. After all Harry Stiller's Bev Bond GRD was kept at Tucktonia for many years, no doubt attracting holiday makers with a penchant for early 70s junior category single seaters...

Sorry, I read the original question as "Clubmans B drivers who went on to do FF2000"... Put it down to age and stupidity.

Another Hawke.

Tony Todd photo from 1980 of my car at Croft.

Above: Longridge 1977 - FF Heat - Alan Stringer (Crossle) dives inside the Nike of Pete Gardner on Lap 1

Looks like the battle went on for some time..............



Just think you, Mr Arron and I could have held a TNF Meeting at the Longridge burger van in the summer of 1977

Kind regards

Phil

Never went near the burger van as I preferred not to chance the quality of the food!

A trio of rapid drivers who were particularly successful in regional FF1600......

Colin Verity contemplates the fact that his Van Diemen FR82 is heading for the kerbs on the outside of Lodge



Alister Lane hugs the inside line around the Mallory hairpin in his Crossle 62F



While Scott Stringfellow attempts to work out if he is Dad has come to watch him and is standing on the entrance to Lodge Corner ;)

Ermm...I can't see a picture, just a little box with a cross in it. Should I be doing something to view it?

It's disappeared!

Simon Arron saw it and confirmed it was Dave Scott following...

Let me have another go.

I've really enjoyed this thread, so I thought I should contribute a little bit.

And If I might make a request at the same time, if there is anyone with any pics of 74-80 FF from Mallory Park in '91-'92 (or even video?) I would dearly love to see them, as many of my racing pics have been lost.

Thats better! Yes, that is Scott behind me, on the entry to Old Hall at Oulton, I think. The only round of the DSoT that I ever led. Its easy to say in hindsight, but the DL19B was not a good car. None of the front runners that year were using anything other than the RF79 or RP24/26, but if I could turn the clock back I'd go for a PRS.......

Well, as you know, when you tested the PRS at Oulton you were roughly eight-tenths of a second faster than the previous driver, who had led the DSoT round the previous Autumn and had qualified on the front row...

Idly thumbing through some old programmes, I reckon the shot in question is from July 7 1979. Guy Dormehl qualified his RF79 on pole, from Keith Wiggins (RP26), Dave Scott (RP26), Chris Creswell (RP24) and Dave Harridge (Markian Hawke DL19B, as pictured above, although it is listed on the entry as a Royale RP16A). I wrote down the grid, but - for some reason - not the result.

I can tell you, though, that Jon Fletcher (Camaro) and Warren Booth (Chevron B42) won the ASCAR and Libre races that followed. Chris Hodgetts (Pink Panther C73) finished third in the Libre race, two places ahead of Phil Bennett's Shadow DN3B...

Mark, I don't recall your telling me anything about the previous driver, but I do recall that you had left Monza gearing in for that practice day! I set that time (67.9) using just 1st 2nd & 3rd gears and remember it being very sluggish out of Old Hall in 3rd (2nd was just too low to use). With the right ratios I think 1.5secs would have come off.

Re the pace of a DL19b. After I binned mine I built my own car using the engine box and wheels from my 19 and went 1.5 seconds a lap quicker round Knockhill. First good driver in the car told me the engine was rubbish and when we put another driver with his spare engine in, it won first time out. A fairytale and I have been dining out on the story for 25 years.

Here's another shot of a Markian Racing Hawke...


Tales from Topographic Racetracks: John Anderson - only an 'h' away from being the lead singer of Yes - fails to appreciate that you really ought to exit Aintree's Country Corner in a gear other than reverse.

What?!! Maybe our memories are not quite synchronised, but I wasn't the only one timing you that afternoon...

I assume that, like me, you found the DL19B to be "nervous" and lacking "feel". Every corner I went into with it, I was never 100% sure that I'd be coming out of the other side! I should have known something wasn't right when after a couple of races with an ancient RP16A, in my first drive of the Hawke it felt just the same! Unfortunately, I assumed that that was how all FF1600's handled, and didn't find out otherwise until driving MCS's PRS.
Thats a nice looking car you built. It looks a bit mid 80's Reynard/VD in style, was that the intention? Is it still around? What was it called?

Car was built in 1982 and raced in 1983. The car now resides in a landfill site. We built 2 new cars for 1984, a FF1600 and a FF2000. Sadly we got no takers in 1984 and it was 1985 when we returned to the tracks with this little beauty. Does anyone know what it is?

Looks Getem-ish, but I'd stopped following racing by then...

I still have the time sheet from that day, 25th June 1981. I did 50 laps, in 4 sessions, and during the 4th session as the times came down to mid 68's, you told my mate Pete H who was timing me, that if I got under 68 you'd eat your hat! My best lap was the very last, 67.99! I'd not driven anything for 15 months and it had been almost exactly 2 years since I'd driven that DSoT round at Oulton, where my best lap was a 69.3s. It was a day I'll never forget. In what way do you remember it differently?

Blimey, what extraordinary detail. We should take this offline as it were!

Would it be a Rotor?

Correct, but what one?

The winning one, Brakedisc's greatest day?

Who was 2nd in the Libre, Simon, Andy B as a guess, or the wonderful Adrian Russell??

I don't know Graham (I assume you are he), but will try a bit of logic.

You say "Car was built in 1982 and raced in 1983. The car now resides in a landfill site. We built 2 new cars for 1984, a FF1600 and a FF2000. Sadly we got no takers in 1984 and it was 1985 when we returned to the tracks with this little beauty."

Assuming the first model was the 82/83 one and one of the 84 ones was a Kent, then "this little beauty" from 85 was probably the third FF1600.
Now there are two logical model types, either RTn or GMn.
So I'll go for the Rotor RT3 - unless various other projects got type numbers or you avoided RT due to getting confused with Ralt.
So now I've changed my mind and am going for Rotor GM3.
Probably wrong on all counts, but your website only covers 2006-8 - but is very interesting.

Just scanned a few more of my FF1600 pics from the early 80. First 3 at Oulton next three are, Brands, Aintree and Donnington

Top six were as follows:
1 Warren Booth (Chevron B42)
2 David Ward (March 772P)
3 Chris Hodgetts (Pink Panther C73)
4 Roger Orgee (March 772)
5 Phil Bennett (Shadow DN3B)
6 John Lewis (Chevron B47)

Great guess Ian but wrong. The car is in fact the 4th Rotor built but was given the title JT3. JT stands for Jim and Tommy who helped me build the car. (Scottish logic) I was the Rotor part. We ran the car for Stewart Roden (Scuderia Ecosse) in season 85 with some good results. It then was sold to Kenny Brown (father of David Brown who has raced in UKFF for the past three seasons) before ending up with Grainger/David/Stewart Robertson. Stewart Robertson was the race engineer for Scuderia Ecosse for a number of years. Car is still in one piece although possibly for sale at the moment. The website was constructed by Kenneth McRae, who was 14 at the time, and he did it because he could not believe that anyone as old as me could do anything interesting with his free time.

If you check out the website www.rotor-racing.co.uk again you will see in the top right corner title boxes. If you click on them it leads to more informationabout the cars and our exploits.

I don't wish to embarrass anyone! hehe! , but I have posted some photos of brakedisc and other notables of the Scottish racing crowd at Brands in 1983 on a gallery here http://pbpb.fotopic.net/c1628380.html

Cheers IanMH.

I was half right with the 3 bit, as the title boxes [which I'm sure weren't there last night] have the No.98 white car as the JT3 and the JT4 being an FF2000.
EDIT as I've just read what you said again and now see that you actually said "the 4th Rotor built but was given the title JT3"
It might have been easier for me to just delete the above.

Fantastic Photographs. Drunkeness was all part of the festival.

Not many club racing photos from the 1960s have surfaced on this thread, so here is one from Eddie Whitham. Old Hall Corner, late 1960s, I would suggest. Any ideas on identities?

Brian Cox had a red "S" with a black roof, could it be him? Super photo Alan, I rather hope that Eddie has more than a few of them

Those pics are really amazing,
never seen those images,
i think there cars and they are heroes

Alan, I think the lead car 104 may be the legendary Harry Ratcliffe - we all have heroes. If so, my kind thoughts go to him at this time as I have heard that he is not in the best of.....
Again, thanks for posting the shots.
Roger Lund

Formula Ford Festival and 2 stars who are no longer with us.

Paul Warwick "assists" Pete Rodgers into Druids.

Alan, not only did we press the shutter at the same time......I must have standing on your toes



Kind regards

Phil

Mine's taken from higher up - I must have been standing on yours

85 Festival. Gary Ayles & somebody in a white Quest have a difference of opinion on how to take Druids

It goes without saying that the cars pictured in the fracas with Gary Ayles are Tim Harvey in the Quest along with Gerald van Uitert ( Modiale M85S ) Andy Mathew ( Ray 83F) and Rob Murphy in a Getem GD115. Does help that I have the Festival programme open in front of me ;)

Kind regards

Phil

My Rotor JT3 with Stewart Roden at the wheel was in there somewhere.

Indeed ......as can be seen from the entry list for Heat Five




Kind regards

Phil

Try this lot then

I'll get my coat......

Kind regards

Phil

I see Heinz Harold is there as Hans Herald, or are they different guys?

Taking the diagonally split rectangular logo on the wing as that of British Vita, and the car colour is right for BVRT, and assuming that the file name CooperS65 denotes the year, the best I can suggest is July 31 1965 Lancs and Cheshire CC at Oulton. Harry Ratcliffe leads Bob Smith, breaking the latter's winning run at Oulton, both in 1300 Cooper S. No less a luminary than Brian Redman was 3rd, beating Tim Featherstonehough into 4th, both in similar cars ... Then again I could be wrong.
Roger Lund.

Here are a couple of photos from 1973 featuring Leonel Friedrich after seeing the ones posted by Simon Arron



LF being chased by Richard Robarts


Trying a slightly different line at Paddock. (photo by Stephen Jones)

Mike

You are probably correct, Roger. The only clue I had to go on was the date on the slide mount. The race numbers agree with this entry list: http://mountgreen.co.uk/resources/Oulton_P...t_July_1965.jpg
However, I have scanned the Mountgreen/BVRT website without finding a pic of this particular incarnation of Harry's Mini.