Andrew Kitson
Mar 20 2009, 19:11
Originally posted by Andrew Kitson
Ha ha, yep, Mr. Wattiez in usual pose in his 5000 car. Despite the fact I polished it and made it as shiny as possible, it still didn't cut through the air fast enough with Nicky at the wheel.
It's 1974 by the way. Nick's car is the ex-Edwards Barclays sponsored T330, spannered by Malcolm Malone. The long serving Lola bolter who spannered Surtees' Can-Am T70 to win the title, also on Hailwood's and Gardner's F5000 cars. He couldn't make Nicky any quicker. Sadly Malcolm died later that season, a big shock to all of us, a lovely man.
Allen Brown
Mar 20 2009, 19:26
Originally posted by pressman
A few more ,Sorry no dates.....
Phil Bennet
Cheers
Steve. That car didn't appear often. Just Croft and a single Oulton from early Sep 1978 through to the end of 1979. The car is Shadow DN3/5B. Could I use the picture on oldracingcars.com? I think I've seen one other of Bennett in the car but I can't remember where.
Chris Townsend
Mar 20 2009, 19:30
Originally posted by Andrew Kitson
I'd say that's David Sears' Rushen Green RP26 behind Palmer, then Ribero. ( who's no 21, Hawke? and works VD behind that, Nogues?) Where's Dan when you need him.
That looks like Trotty in his RP26 coming up the inside with John Village in his Van Diemen on the outside of him? Have a memory that JV switched to a VD for a year between Royales.
Dr. JP's JSM truck was sold the end of that season to David Wheeler (SDC Royale). I remember as we went to Sussex to fetch it for David.
21 is David McClelland in the Hawke DL21 I think; 44 Terry Gray in the works Van Diemen?; Nogues was in F3 by then; 4 David Griffin in Van Diemen?; if it's 1979 Village would have been in his Royale RP26 that he used to win the European championship
pressman
Mar 20 2009, 19:48
Originally posted by Allen Brown
That car didn't appear often. Just Croft and a single Oulton from early Sep 1978 through to the end of 1979. The car is Shadow DN3/5B. Could I use the picture on oldracingcars.com? I think I've seen one other of Bennett in the car but I can't remember where.
Hi Allen
Please help your self.
Here are two more .
Cheers
Steve.
ceebdub
Mar 20 2009, 20:23
great selection, thanks
Originally posted by pressman
Hi Allen
Please help your self.
Here are two more .
Cheers
Steve.
Now then, who is that in front? A Crossle, in fact...
Originally posted by Andrew Kitson
I'd say that's David Sears' Rushen Green RP26 behind Palmer, then Ribero. ( who's no 21, Hawke? and works VD behind that, Nogues?) Where's Dan when you need him.
That looks like Trotty in his RP26 coming up the inside with John Village in his Van Diemen on the outside of him? Have a memory that JV switched to a VD for a year between Royales.
Dr. JP's JSM truck was sold the end of that season to David Wheeler (SDC Royale). I remember as we went to Sussex to fetch it for David.
McClelland in a Hawke? Don't remember that. It's Ian Shaw behind Gray and Rick Whyman behind Trott, I think.
God, I fancied Shaw's sister......
Allen Brown
Mar 20 2009, 21:01
Originally posted by pressman
Hi Allen
Please help your self.
Here are two more .
Cheers
Steve.
Thanks Steve
Chris Townsend
Mar 20 2009, 21:14
Originally posted by MCS
McClelland in a Hawke? Don't remember that. It's Ian Shaw behind Gray and Rick Whyman behind Trott, I think.
God, I fancied Shaw's sister......
Don't think McClelland hung around for long; he was in a Van Diemen by mid season. I thought it might have been my old BHR instructor Peter Argentsinger, who also had a go in the works DL21 and then swiftly moved on to a Royale, but I'm sure it's McClelland's helmet
I know what you mean about Shaw's sister; I still remember watching a Brands race at Paddock with her and [I think] Tommy Byrne's sister - happy days.
alansart
Mar 20 2009, 21:18
I thought Ian Shaw's car was white.
Never met the sister but had one or two drinks with Rod his manic mechanic.
Originally posted by alansart
I thought Ian Shaw's car was white.
It is white!
alansart
Mar 20 2009, 22:01
Originally posted by MCS
It is white!
Well the patch behind the number is. It looks a typical yellow Hawke (in black & white).
It hasn't got the JAK logos on either.
For goodness sake. Are we looking at the same car? The one behind Gray's Van Diemen?
Phil Rainford
Mar 20 2009, 22:21
Originally posted by MCS
McClelland in a Hawke? Don't remember that. It's Ian Shaw behind Gray and Rick Whyman behind Trott, I think.
God, I fancied Shaw's sister......
I spotted Rick Whyman.....thinking about it is that something to be proud of ?
PAR
Chris Townsend
Mar 20 2009, 22:37
Originally posted by alansart
Well the patch behind the number is. It looks a typical yellow Hawke (in black & white).
It hasn't got the JAK logos on either.
Alan the 21 car IS a Hawke [McClelland's]; Shaw is almost invisible behind Terry Gray - you can tell it's him by the helmet, and I think you're pretty familiar with bits of PRS bodywork.
While we're on this, can someone start a thread of photos of the sisters of PRS drivers in 1979?...Sure, it's a bit specific but the world needs to know
Originally posted by Chris Townsend
...While we're on this, can someone start a thread of photos of the sisters of PRS drivers in 1979?...Sure, it's a bit specific but the world needs to know

Ready when you are Chris...!
Stephen W
Mar 21 2009, 10:38
Originally posted by pressman
Bernard Devany
Cheers
Steve.
The rather heavily modified B47 if memory serves.
alansart
Mar 21 2009, 11:35
Originally posted by Chris Townsend
Alan the 21 car IS a Hawke [McClelland's]; Shaw is almost invisible behind Terry Gray - you can tell it's him by the helmet, and I think you're pretty familiar with bits of PRS bodywork.
While we're on this, can someone start a thread of photos of the sisters of PRS drivers in 1979?...Sure, it's a bit specific but the world needs to know
Whoops. Sorry about the mistake. Shaw had a Hawke before the PRS hence my confusion.
I'm married to the sister of a 1982 PRS driver. Does that count
pressman
Mar 21 2009, 15:23
Hi
and a few more
David Minty
Cheers
Steve.
Les German John Fulkerson
Hugh Macpherson
Ian Shaw
Alex and Fernando had their sponsor for a reason...
Originally posted by Stephen W
The rather heavily modified B47 if memory serves.
...with so much bodywork, no wonder Bernard couldn't get it to go faster...
coupekarter
Mar 21 2009, 22:02
Mondiale M85S
Mar 21 2009, 22:43
Simon Hadfield has been testing the ex Agostini FW06 at Mallory for the past couple of weeks, lapping in the low 41s.
Nice to see the car here in its [almost] heyday!
Am i correct in thinking Gimax Jr was his team mate in the Aurora series?
redturner37
Mar 22 2009, 13:32
I have owned one of the ex Pat Hansen Royale RP31Ms for quite a few years now and being somewhat long in the tooth only compete in hill climbs and sprints these days. I take part in the French hill climb scene as well as some UK meetings. The only photograph I have seen of an RP31 is the one of Richard Street as seen a few pages back and wondered if anyone has any more photos of these cars, including the two run by Pat and does anyone remember who drove these cars in period. The other ex Pat Hansen RP31 car is currently being used for sprints and hill climbs after doing some time as a school car at Mallory Park. I will try to find some way of posting a picture of my car.
Chris Townsend
Mar 22 2009, 20:26
Originally posted by pressman
Hi
and a few more
Is the PRS #31 young Tommy Byrne?
Yes, early season race, struggling with the yellow works PRS...
Simon Arron
Mar 22 2009, 21:00
May 12 1979, I reckon - a BARC Championship race.
#60 is Tim Knight (RF78), #31 is Master Byrne, #61 is David Duffield (Crosslé 32F) and #11 is Mick Cook (then in a Royale RP21, now head of engineering with Arden International in GP2). Crosslé #24 is Robert Foden, who previously raced something passably obscure - a Mistral, if memory serves.
Not sure whether Mark Scanlon fancied any of their sisters, though. That isn't mentioned in the programme.
Alan Cox
Mar 22 2009, 21:08
Originally posted by Simon Arron
Not sure whether Mark Scanlon fancied any of their sisters, though. That isn't mentioned in the programme.
Incredibly sparse with their information, those 1970s BARC programmes...
Alan Cox
Mar 22 2009, 22:26
"After you, Claude. No, after you, Cecil". Jim Crawford and David Leslie fight over the drive.
Understeer, oversteer - Who cares? Rick Morris and Robeto Moreno, cracking Formula Ford racers both. 1980 Old Hall Corner, Oulton.
simonlewisbooks
Mar 22 2009, 23:40
Originally posted by pressman
Wouldn't be Cornishman Willie Pascoe in the Crossle would it? I think he worked for Hicks of Truro before emigrating to the Forest of Dean where he interviewed me for the first job I ever went for, at our local Renault dealers. I got the job and like a total eejit turned it down and went off to college for a year instead. Then I abandoned the concept for working for other people in favour of selling books and living in poverty ever after....
well almost...
Willie's Crossle ended up with an ex Mansell/Unipart Dolomite F3 engine in the back.
Andrew Kitson
Mar 23 2009, 07:28
Originally posted by Alan Cox
"After you, Claude. No, after you, Cecil". Jim Crawford and David Leslie fight over the drive.
That's the John Kirkpatrick entered car. JK ran the Snetterton & Donington Jim Russell racing schools for years and ran young Damon Hill in FF2000.
That looks like mechanic Bruce Russell to the left. He's worked for almost every outfit in the business!
Mallory Dan
Mar 23 2009, 12:13
Originally posted by Simon Arron
May 12 1979, I reckon - a BARC Championship race.
#60 is Tim Knight (RF78), #31 is Master Byrne, #61 is David Duffield (Crosslé 32F) and #11 is Mick Cook (then in a Royale RP21, now head of engineering with Arden International in GP2). Crosslé #24 is Robert Foden, who previously raced something passably obscure - a Mistral, if memory serves.
Not sure whether Mark Scanlon fancied any of their sisters, though. That isn't mentioned in the programme.
Is that Cameron Binnie next to Foden, Indescon VD? The Bennett Shadow was one of the ex-P R Reilly cars wasn't it?
Simon Arron
Mar 23 2009, 12:18
Might well be Can't confirm because I'm in the lounge at Gatwick and carelessly forgot to bring my collection of 1970s programmes with me... Sorry.
Mallory Dan
Mar 23 2009, 12:20
Originally posted by Simon Arron
Might well be Can't confirm because I'm in the lounge at Gatwick and carelessly forgot to bring my collection of 1970s programmes with me... Sorry.
Slipping badly, SA...!! I'm sure Master Hamilton would be v keen to have a look this weekend. You'll have to up your game to get an invite to PR's party, and mine some years later.
Did we decide on the odd car in front of the Shadow?
Andrew Kitson
Mar 23 2009, 12:35
Originally posted by simonlewisbooks
Wouldn't be Cornishman Willie Pascoe in the Crossle would it? I think he worked for Hicks of Truro before emigrating to the Forest of Dean where he interviewed me for the first job I ever went for, at our local Renault dealers. I got the job and like a total eejit turned it down and went off to college for a year instead. Then I abandoned the concept for working for other people in favour of selling books and living in poverty ever after....
well almost...
Willie's Crossle ended up with an ex Mansell/Unipart Dolomite F3 engine in the back.
Not Arnie Black per chance?
simonlewisbooks
Mar 23 2009, 12:51
Originally posted by Andrew Kitson
Not Arnie Black per chance?
The HICKS logos on the front wings are what make me think it's Willie Pascoe along with the F3 airbox.
Originally posted by Alan Cox
"After you, Claude. No, after you, Cecil". Jim Crawford and David Leslie fight over the drive.
That would have been the 200 mile race at Oulton 1981, I was in that race myself.
Mallory Dan
Mar 23 2009, 12:55
I can't recall many non-FF Crossle single seaters on the mainland at this time, Pascoe's the only one. Did he get 'up North' though, or was the Shadow down south? Was the car an ex F2/FAt chassis?
Mallory Dan
Mar 23 2009, 12:57
Originally posted by RTH
That would have been the 200 mile race at Oulton 1981, I was in that race myself.
Is that your Tiga behind the JK Lola T590, Richard? And a coup for JK to get 2 stars into his Lola, how did he do that I wonder, he usually had to make do with the likes of Bruce Russell, Bob Moore, and Alan Sidorov...
I do not have a picture from the Oulton race because the entire team that day were just the two drivers Terry Welsh and myself. If you were there that day Dan and had come up to me you would have got the job of team manager... and everything else !!
This is a picture the same year of the Brands 200 miler just at the end of practice that is me on the left in the black and red overalls. The car then still had the SC78 bodywork we upgraded over the next winter to the SC79 bodyshape.
Mallory Dan
Mar 23 2009, 13:57
Richard, you'd have had to have been utterly desperate to have me as a "Team Principal" (don't you just hate that phrase?). I don't know one end of a de Dion from a slick...
simonlewisbooks
Mar 23 2009, 14:13
Originally posted by Mallory Dan
I can't recall many non-FF Crossle single seaters on the mainland at this time, Pascoe's the only one. Did he get 'up North' though, or was the Shadow down south? Was the car an ex F2/FAt chassis?
I assume he went north - everywhere is a major treck from Cornwall so it's about as far to somewhere like Silverstone as it would be to Llandow where he raced quite a lot at the time.
The car was said to be ex F2 but I knew nothing about Crossle's at the time so it didn't mean much to me and I never got around to asking it's history later on. I do have a later shot of it at Combe in about 1983 in the MacLean Hunter Libre series. It was orange at the time.
Originally posted by Mallory Dan
Richard, you'd have had to have been utterly desperate to have me as a "Team Principal" (don't you just hate that phrase?). I don't know one end of a de Dion from a slick...
It was the only time before or since that I had literally no supporters at all at a race meeting, I suppose because it was a 500 mile round trip....and you do need helpers!
You would have been alright Dan the Tiga did not have a De Dion axle !!
alansart
Mar 23 2009, 17:16
Does anyone have a programme for the 1984 Formula Ford Festival?
Who's in the 3rd car, behind Buzzaid & Pratt?
I think 111 maybe Andrew Gilbert-Scott, but who's in the sideways Royale, Rick Morris? Vivion Daly follows.
Who are these four?
Cheers,
Alan
Phil Rainford
Mar 23 2009, 17:33
Originally posted by alansart
Does anyone have a programme for the 1984 Formula Ford Festival?
Who are these four?
Cheers,
Alan
Haven't got a programme ...........but could that second car be John Brolly Booth
PAR
alansart
Mar 23 2009, 17:39
Originally posted by Phil Rainford
Haven't got a programme ...........but could that second car be John Brolly Booth
PAR
I thought that, but didn't he have an Van Dieman RF84 then.
Phil Rainford
Mar 23 2009, 17:49
He did indeed have a RF84 all season ............just thought he might have bent it before the Festival?
PAR
alansart
Mar 23 2009, 18:01
Originally posted by Phil Rainford
He did indeed have a RF84 all season ............just thought he might have bent it before the Festival?
PAR
He bent it lots of times before the Festival
Mondiale M85S
Mar 23 2009, 18:06
Is the No1 Crossle Anthony Murray? The car behind Buzaid and Pratt could be Uwe Schafer?
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