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Phil Rainford
Unless Andy has got the programme to prove me wrong again: blush.gif ............in number 3 Eric Pennington?

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alansart
Happy days of Formula Ford smile.gif

Phil was only saying the other night that you can't get down the inside of Old Hall anymore to take photos. Pit lane revisions etc.
Simon Arron
I think #33 is Adam Wallis. #5 is Tony Allinson, the driver of the black RF82 with a tattered nosecone is Martin Allnson and #3 is probably Carlton Tinglng rather than Eric Pennington, because the latter would still have been in an RF80 by then.

Ian Smith will doubtless be able to supply chassis numbers.
Phil Rainford
QUOTE (alansart @ Oct 13 2009, 19:16) *
Happy days of Formula Ford smile.gif

Phil was only saying the other night that you can't get down the inside of Old Hall anymore to take photos. Pit lane revisions etc.



You can still take a picture of the cars clipping the kerbs at Old Hall......




......but you are standing on the pit lane exit and must watch out for the 105 times the safety car comes out during a meeting

While you cannot stand on the grass anymore and point the camera straight at the car cry.gif




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James Murray
Looking at the Oulton FF photos, does anyone miss the Eagle Star bridge? Such a shame its no longer there imho. Maybe we should petiotion Jonathan Palmer to reinstate it.

Out of inerest, when and why was it taken down. Did it become prohibitively unsafe?
Andrew Kitson
QUOTE (James Murray @ Oct 14 2009, 09:39) *
Looking at the Oulton FF photos, does anyone miss the Eagle Star bridge? Such a shame its no longer there imho. Maybe we should petiotion Jonathan Palmer to reinstate it.

Out of inerest, when and why was it taken down. Did it become prohibitively unsafe?


I think it looked far better at Oulton when it had 'Motor' on it. A lot of the circuits have lost bridges - the footbridge across the pit straight at Snetterton ( blew down in 1987 ), Thruxton by the pit entrance, the vehicle bridge across South bank (now known as Surtees bend) at Brands and now the Dunlop bridge at Donington.
Giraffe
QUOTE (James Murray @ Oct 14 2009, 09:39) *
Looking at the Oulton FF photos, does anyone miss the Eagle Star bridge? Such a shame its no longer there imho. Maybe we should petiotion Jonathan Palmer to reinstate it.

Out of inerest, when and why was it taken down. Did it become prohibitively unsafe?



By giraffe138 at 2009-07-15

For those with slightly longer memories, it was the Motor bridge. IIRC somebody hit in in mid-flight which may have had something to do with it's demise. I also miss the Bailey Bridge, and the rumble as you went over it that told you you had arrived at Oulton! Cyd Williams attempted to demolish that in a Frank Williams March 701!
Alan Cox
More Formula 3 - this time from 24th September 1982

'Quique' Mansilla, with the beautifully presented West Surrey Ralt - 3rd this time round behind Martin Brundle and Dave Scott, but a winner on his previous visit on 7th August


Andrew Kitson
Nice pics Alan, just a few weeks afterwards Ayrton Senna Da Silva won his first F3 race in this very car at the non-championship televised Thruxton meeting. Also in the race was Will Hoy in his one and only ever single seater race.
Stephen W

Martin Brundle (RT3) rounds Lodge on three wheels!

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Alan Cox
QUOTE (Stephen W @ Oct 14 2009, 10:20) *
Martin Brundle (RT3) rounds Lodge on three wheels!

We were probably standing but feet apart, Steve. Here is young Martin having overdone it

TNFer Mike Argetsinger's brother Peter

Roberto Moreno with his Alfa-engined Ralt leading Dave Scott

Mansilla looks pretty pleased, and so does Dick Bennetts


Another first lap at Old Hall for the FF experts to identify

Andrew Kitson
QUOTE (Alan Cox @ Oct 14 2009, 11:58) *
Another first lap at Old Hall for the FF experts to identify


Andy Wallace, John 'Butcher' Booth, John Village, Rick Morris and David Wheeler are the first five.
alansart
Nicky Phillips in 7th?

The white Crossle 2nd in from the right smile.gif
Ian Smith - Diz
QUOTE (alansart @ Oct 14 2009, 12:47) *
Nicky Phillips in 7th?

The white Crossle 2nd in from the left.

The white Crossle 2nd in from the RIGHT Alan, not right as in correct.
The white car 2nd in from the left is in about 17th place and is a Royale RP26 - possibly Richard Street, then again possibly not.
alansart
QUOTE (Ian Smith - Diz @ Oct 14 2009, 13:13) *
The white Crossle 2nd in from the RIGHT Alan, not right as in correct.
The white car 2nd in from the left is in about 17th place and is a Royale RP26 - possibly Richard Street, then again possibly not.


Doh!!! blush.gif
Ian Smith - Diz
QUOTE (Giraffe @ Oct 14 2009, 09:49) *
I also miss the Bailey Bridge, and the rumble as you went over it that told you you had arrived at Oulton! Cyd Williams attempted to demolish that in a Frank Williams March 701!
I seem to recall marshalling at Bailey one day when a new flag system was to be trialled. I don't remember what I'd done wrong to be allocated there, but in those days that is where you were sent if you had been a naughty boy. Serious misdemeanours [such as lateness] got you sent to man the Scoreboard *, but I was never that naughty - or maybe I was never late signing on.

It was to be an early version of putting red flags out around the circuit in both directions. But mere flag marshals couldn't be trusted with red flags [they probably only had one red flag on site anyway], so somebody came up with the crossed flags idea.

The idea was that crossed yellow and oil flags would be held above your head. IMHO always liable to cause confusion if there was an off and an oil spillage at the same time and a windy day to give the flags a mind of their own.

Anyway, it was planned to call a "test stoppage" and the powers that be were to time the speed the flags took to flash round the circuit both ways.

But before they could do this, bits had started falling off the Bailey Bridge and a stoppage was called for real.

* Now there's an idea, a thread on the Oulton Park Scoreboard. smoking.gif
elansprint72
Alan,
Another nice set; good to see the old Officer's Mess at Lodge and the start-line "Grand"stand, looking like is about to fall over. smile.gif
AllTwelve


David Scheldt was the fourth driver in the "Team Squadra Tutta Forza" in his Lancia Stratos


Great thread and picts. I always thought with the Stratos, the driving position was in the middle?
Alan Cox
Last of the 1982 Formula 3 season for the moment:


James Weaver and Dave Coyne (Ralts) battle for Old Hall

Mike O'Brien (Anson) and James Weaver

Dave Scott (Ralt)
rdmotorsport
QUOTE (Alan Cox @ Oct 15 2009, 18:47) *
Last of the 1982 Formula 3 season for the moment:


James Weaver and Dave Coyne (Ralts) battle for Old Hall

Mike O'Brien (Anson) and James Weaver

Dave Scott (Ralt)



wonderful photographs in fact I beleive I ended up with the Brundle car 2 years later,any pics from 1983 and 1984 seasons?
elansprint72
OK experts: after months of linking images from my website here I'm now getting the message-

Sorry, dynamic pages in the [IMG] tags are not allowed

what's going on? ohwell.gif
Alan Cox
QUOTE (rdmotorsport @ Oct 15 2009, 19:24) *
I believe I ended up with the Brundle car 2 years later,any pics from 1983 and 1984 seasons?

See post 1794
alansart
QUOTE (rdmotorsport @ Oct 15 2009, 19:24) *
wonderful photographs in fact I beleive I ended up with the Brundle car 2 years later,any pics from 1983 and 1984 seasons?


Only 83.



Was it later painted pink?
Chris Townsend
QUOTE (rdmotorsport @ Oct 15 2009, 18:24) *
wonderful photographs in fact I beleive I ended up with the Brundle car 2 years later,any pics from 1983 and 1984 seasons?



Brundle's RT3s

1981 Team Tiga [Thruxton TV race only] RT3/81-221 or 226

1982 David Price Racing
RT3/82-294 Brundle early season then "destroyed" at Dijon. Rebuilt on new tub but maybe not for Brundle
RT3/82-297 Petit's French series car then to Bernard Santal, but Brundle might have used it after Dijon. Recently, and perhaps still, with Jean-Yves Simoni in France
RT3/82-323 Schlesser at Monaco then to Brundle to replace 294. This or rebuilt 294 to Ronnie Grant 1983-85
RT3/82-329 Petit's second car, then Bengt Tragardh; retained 1983 for Dumfries

1983 Eddie Jordan Racing

Brundle's cars not known, and four of these were involved in the transporter accident coming back from the Osterreichring, so went through various stages of rebuilding. I don't know which was Brundle's, I'm only pretty sure of the identity of the Byrne Euroseries car

RT3/83 375
RT3/83-382
RT3/83-391 said to be in Sweden in 1984
RT3/83-383 Tommy Byrne/Roberto Guerrero [Macau]; to Valour for Ross Cheever 1984 and Paul Jackson 1985, to Barrie Pusey 1986, Graham and Andrew Henson 1996
RT3/83-412 probably later car for Dave Hunt. By 1989 with Pat Jones in USA and recently rediscovered there having run as a club FSV

Which one was yours Rodney?


Alan Cox
Those in search of chassis numbers could do worse than check out other detail in Allen Brown's F3 section, courtesy of Chris Townsend.
http://www.oldracingcars.com/f3/
Allen Brown
Or...

Those in search of chassis numbers could do worse than check out Chris Townsend's F3 results and car histories on Allen Brown's website:
http://www.oldracingcars.com/f3/

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How many mentions can I cram into one thread before Twinny shows up?
Alan Cox
QUOTE (Chris Townsend @ Oct 16 2009, 14:02) *
'Twas me wot put them there! stoned.gif

Of course, Chris, and excellent detail it all is, too. Post edited.
rdmotorsport
QUOTE (Alan Cox @ Oct 16 2009, 09:36) *
See post 1794



yes it became first seasick blue /white/pink then all pink,we had both Tommy Byrnes ex RT3 purchased from Dave Benbow and Martins car purchased from EJ himself and beleive it or not EJ managed to convince me it was the "steal on the year" and I was a very lucky person!
rdmotorsport
QUOTE (Chris Townsend @ Oct 16 2009, 12:39) *
Brundle's RT3s

1981 Team Tiga [Thruxton TV race only] RT3/81-221 or 226

1982 David Price Racing
RT3/82-294 Brundle early season then "destroyed" at Dijon. Rebuilt on new tub but maybe not for Brundle
RT3/82-297 Petit's French series car then to Bernard Santal, but Brundle might have used it after Dijon. Recently, and perhaps still, with Jean-Yves Simoni in France
RT3/82-323 Schlesser at Monaco then to Brundle to replace 294. This or rebuilt 294 to Ronnie Grant 1983-85
RT3/82-329 Petit's second car, then Bengt Tragardh; retained 1983 for Dumfries

1983 Eddie Jordan Racing

Brundle's cars not known, and four of these were involved in the transporter accident coming back from the Osterreichring, so went through various stages of rebuilding. I don't know which was Brundle's, I'm only pretty sure of the identity of the Byrne Euroseries car

RT3/83 375
RT3/83-382
RT3/83-391 said to be in Sweden in 1984
RT3/83-383 Tommy Byrne/Roberto Guerrero [Macau]; to Valour for Ross Cheever 1984 and Paul Jackson 1985, to Barrie Pusey 1986, Graham and Andrew Henson 1996
RT3/83-412 probably later car for Dave Hunt. By 1989 with Pat Jones in USA and recently rediscovered there having run as a club FSV

Which one was yours Rodney?

RT3/83-391 I think

rdmotorsport
QUOTE (Alan Cox @ Oct 16 2009, 09:36) *
See post 1794




Hi Alan,

educate me how do I view post 1794, now explain slowly because I am not as young as I often thought I was!

Rodney.
alansart
QUOTE (rdmotorsport @ Oct 16 2009, 16:12) *
EJ managed to convince me it was the "steal on the year" and I was a very lucky person!


I bet he did roflmao.gif
rdmotorsport
QUOTE (Chris Townsend @ Oct 16 2009, 12:39) *
Brundle's RT3s

1981 Team Tiga [Thruxton TV race only] RT3/81-221 or 226

1982 David Price Racing
RT3/82-294 Brundle early season then "destroyed" at Dijon. Rebuilt on new tub but maybe not for Brundle
RT3/82-297 Petit's French series car then to Bernard Santal, but Brundle might have used it after Dijon. Recently, and perhaps still, with Jean-Yves Simoni in France
RT3/82-323 Schlesser at Monaco then to Brundle to replace 294. This or rebuilt 294 to Ronnie Grant 1983-85
RT3/82-329 Petit's second car, then Bengt Tragardh; retained 1983 for Dumfries

1983 Eddie Jordan Racing

Brundle's cars not known, and four of these were involved in the transporter accident coming back from the Osterreichring, so went through various stages of rebuilding. I don't know which was Brundle's, I'm only pretty sure of the identity of the Byrne Euroseries car

RT3/83 375
RT3/83-382
RT3/83-391 said to be in Sweden in 1984
RT3/83-383 Tommy Byrne/Roberto Guerrero [Macau]; to Valour for Ross Cheever 1984 and Paul Jackson 1985, to Barrie Pusey 1986, Graham and Andrew Henson 1996
RT3/83-412 probably later car for Dave Hunt. By 1989 with Pat Jones in USA and recently rediscovered there having run as a club FSV

Which one was yours Rodney?


a quick phone call to an ex colleague confirms it was 391 due to the fact the chassis plate is still in his toolbox and yes it did end up in Sweden with Jan Tingall then I was told in the States as a super Vee the ex Byrne chassis was stuffed badly at Zolder and not sure where that ended up.

Rodney.

p.s. perhaps you can find the whereabouts of my March 793/18 or my march 782 with plates M55 and 090?
Alan Cox
QUOTE (rdmotorsport @ Oct 16 2009, 16:19) *
educate me how do I view post 1794, now explain slowly because I am not as young as I often thought I was!

Click on the previous page (no 45) and scroll down
rdmotorsport
QUOTE (Alan Cox @ Oct 16 2009, 17:16) *
Click on the previous page (no 45) and scroll down

Good Lord I managed to do that does that mean I am now an IT expert???

Many thanks but greed rquests any more of the same?
Chris Townsend
QUOTE (rdmotorsport @ Oct 16 2009, 15:25) *
a quick phone call to an ex colleague confirms it was 391 due to the fact the chassis plate is still in his toolbox and yes it did end up in Sweden with Jan Tingall then I was told in the States as a super Vee the ex Byrne chassis was stuffed badly at Zolder and not sure where that ended up.

Rodney.

p.s. perhaps you can find the whereabouts of my March 793/18 or my march 782 with plates M55 and 090?


Was 793-18 an ex Roger Heavens car? Or was that off Eddie Jordan too?

The 782 should be no problem, out of twenty nine built only thirty six are still running... Give me a clue as to who you bought it from and when!

Chris
rdmotorsport
QUOTE (Chris Townsend @ Oct 16 2009, 23:53) *
Was 793-18 an ex Roger Heavens car? Or was that off Eddie Jordan too?

The 782 should be no problem, out of twenty nine built only thirty six are still running... Give me a clue as to who you bought it from and when!

Chris



I am not too sure of the alumini of my 793 I purchased it from a John Brannighan ion 1982 who advertised himself as the "March man" previous to this it was raced by a chap called Phil Bennett, it did have different sidepods from the usual 793 s and at one meeting in Belgium Jo Gartner thought it was one of his old cars or at least the sidepods were.

The 782 was brought over from Belgium 1983 in a sorry state Philip Daniels had raced it at Zolder and Zandvoort then it went to a guy called Dirk Goosens with graphics on the sides saying "steak and salad" plus "Ewin oil" on the nose when we had finished with it I beleive it ended up in the Far East.

Rodders
Alan Cox
Returning to grass-roots club racing with the Stewart Wrightson 4-hour Relay at Oulton Park, October 1982


The Lenham Storage Ladies - L-R Julie Thwaites, Sue Davies and Lorina Boughton

Front row of the grid with Peter Grant's Chevron B8 on pole and Tim Sisson's Jaguar E Type behind.

The Alfa Zagato belonging, I believe, to Peter Cabrol. Maybe not, but the programme has this car down as being an Alfasud.

Julie Thwaites' Davrian dicing with Ron Wood's Gineta G15

Sue Davies' Imp

Julie Thwaites pits to hand over to team mate

The victorious Chevron team - R-L Don Cressy, Richard Thwaites, Peter Grant and ??

The handicap-winning Ginettas of L-R Mark Smith, Arthur Kellett and Ron Wood
Tim Murray
The unknown Ginetta is Mark Smith's G15, with Mark standing by the driver's door. The Ginetta team won the event on handicap.
Alan Cox
Thank you, Tim. Post edited.

Meanwhile, does this qualify as "wheel to wheel" racing? Martin Allinson and Walter Warwick. 1982
h4887
QUOTE (Tim Murray @ Oct 18 2009, 09:26) *
The unknown Ginetta is Mark Smith's G15, with Mark standing by the driver's door. The Ginetta team won the event on handicap.


And Andy Woolley standing on the other side
rdmotorsport
QUOTE (Alan Cox @ Oct 17 2009, 22:24) *
Returning to grass-roots club racing with the Stewart Wrightson 4-hour Relay at Oulton Park, October 1982


The Lenham Storage Ladies - L-R Julie Thwaites, Sue Davies and Lorina Boughton

Front row of the grid with Peter Grant's Chevron B8 on pole and Tim Sisson's Jaguar E Type behind.

The Alfa Zagato belonging, I believe, to Peter Cabrol. Maybe not, but the programme has this car down as being an Alfasud.

Julie Thwaites' Davrian dicing with Ron Wood's Gineta G15

Sue Davies' Imp

Julie Thwaites pits to hand over to team mate



sorry I thought F3 was grass roots!

The victorious Chevron team - R-L Don Cressy, Richard Thwaites, Peter Grant and ??

The handicap-winning Ginettas of L-R Mark Smith, Arthur Kellett and Ron Wood

Alan Cox
QUOTE (rdmotorsport @Oct 18 2009 @ 22:07)
sorry I thought F3 was grass roots!

I would place F3 fairly high up the pecking order of motor racing categories, Rodney
rdmotorsport
QUOTE (Alan Cox @ Oct 19 2009, 17:37) *
I would place F3 fairly high up the pecking order of motor racing categories, Rodney


not the way we did it Alan!
Gary Whitelegg
QUOTE (Ian Smith - Diz @ Mar 2 2009, 12:28) *
As Mr Arron states earlier

The picture that you say is of Howard Done is in actual fact Gary Whitelegg driving A Nick Havard prepared Lola T640e at Oulton Park
Gary Whitelegg
QUOTE (Phil Rainford @ Mar 1 2009, 15:17) *
Browsing the Web it appears that History has failed to register a momentous occasion in British Club Racing that occurred on the 14 March 1986

While Simon Wayne......




and Howard Done concentrate during morning qualifying.

That is not Howard Done - it is Gary Whitelegg in a Nick Havard prepared Lola T640E





All other eyes were on TNF's own Simon Arron, who despite his father attempting to talk him out of it at breakfast, was making his UK race debut



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Alan Cox
QUOTE (Gary Whitelegg @ Oct 20 2009, 04:51) *
The picture that you say is of Howard Done is in actual fact Gary Whitelegg driving A Nick Havard prepared Lola T640e at Oulton Park

Welcome, Gary - and thanks for putting Mr Rainford right!
Phil Rainford
QUOTE (Gary Whitelegg @ Oct 20 2009, 04:51) *
The picture that you say is of Howard Done is in actual fact Gary Whitelegg driving A Nick Havard prepared Lola T640e at Oulton Park



My apologies Gary for the incorrect labelling blush.gif blush.gif ……………and as already highlighted by Alan "Welcome to TNF"

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alansart
QUOTE (Gary Whitelegg @ Oct 20 2009, 04:51) *
The picture that you say is of Howard Done is in actual fact Gary Whitelegg driving A Nick Havard prepared Lola T640e at Oulton Park


Welcome Gary. There's a few old faces from Oulton Park on here.

Whatever happened to Nick Havard? Always a smile on his face no matter what.
Alan Cox
1975 Formula 3 season


Richard Hawkins' March 743 (with Bob Arnott's Swansong Records transporter behind)

Herve Regout's Bang & Olufson March 753

Works March driver Alex Ribeiro


The great Gunnar Nilsson

An incredibly youthful Eddie Cheever..

...and one of his admirers
Cirrus
1975 was a very good year for F3 - any pictures of The Safir of Patrick Neve, Alan?
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