The Greatest Ever to never win a WDC
#1
Posted 08 April 2009 - 03:29
Who do you think is the greatest to never win a WDC? I would probably say David Coulthard or Stirling Moss. Gilles Villeneuve is another, but his career was cut short so we may never know...
Who's your pick?
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#2
Posted 08 April 2009 - 03:40
Check TNF, there's prolly a thread like this there with lots of well reasoned opinions.
#3
Posted 08 April 2009 - 03:41
#4
Posted 08 April 2009 - 03:45
dan the man
sorry DC is not on the short or long list
#5
Posted 08 April 2009 - 03:48
#6
Posted 08 April 2009 - 03:49
#7
Posted 08 April 2009 - 03:53
#8
Posted 08 April 2009 - 03:58
2. Gilles Villeneuve
3. Ronnie Peterson
4. Dan Gurney
5. Rick Mears
6. A. J. Foyt
7. Juan Pablo Montoya
8. Mark Donohue
9. Parnelli Jones
10. Tony Brooks
11. Chris Amon
12. Tony Brise
13. Stefan Bellof
14. Tom Pryce
15. Francois Cevert
16. Jacky Ickx
17. Carlos Pace
18. Carlos Reutemann
I've put this list together in haste. On any given day I would surely rearrange the order. On the wise counsel of Vegetableman, Broadway and Bluesmoke I've added some names that I inexplicably forgot. Thanks, guys.
#9
Posted 08 April 2009 - 04:21
#10
Posted 08 April 2009 - 04:22
#11
Posted 08 April 2009 - 04:31
Originally posted by nordschleife
1. Sir Stirling Moss
2. Gilles Villeneuve
3. Dan Gurney
4. Rick Mears
5. A. J. Foyt
6. Mark Donohue
7. Parnelli Jones
8. Tony Brooks
9. Tony Brise
10. Stefan Bellof
11. Tom Pryce
12. Francois Cevert
13. Jacky Ickx
14. Carlos Pace
15. Carlos Reutemann
I'd put Montoya up in that list.
#12
Posted 08 April 2009 - 04:49
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Posted 08 April 2009 - 04:55
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Posted 08 April 2009 - 05:05
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Posted 08 April 2009 - 05:07
#16
Posted 08 April 2009 - 05:21
#17
Posted 08 April 2009 - 05:23
#18
Posted 08 April 2009 - 06:12
#19
Posted 08 April 2009 - 06:33
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#20
Posted 08 April 2009 - 06:55
Originally posted by nordschleife
1. Sir Stirling Moss
2. Gilles Villeneuve
3. Ronnie Peterson
4. Dan Gurney
5. Rick Mears
6. A. J. Foyt
7. Juan Pablo Montoya
8. Mark Donohue
9. Parnelli Jones
10. Tony Brooks
11. Chris Amon
12. Tony Brise
13. Stefan Bellof
14. Tom Pryce
15. Francois Cevert
16. Jacky Ickx
17. Carlos Pace
18. Carlos Reutemann
I've put this list together in haste. On any given day I would surely rearrange the order. On the wise counsel of Vegetableman, Broadway and Bluesmoke I've added some names that I inexplicably forgot. Thanks, guys.
Pretty good list I agree with. I'd like to add Didier Pironi as well to this list.
#21
Posted 08 April 2009 - 06:58
#22
Posted 08 April 2009 - 07:35
Oh well, Sebastian Vettel could be the 2nd coming of Stefan Bellof
I hope he would be luckier and win the WDC this year
Just my opinion
#23
Posted 08 April 2009 - 07:36
#24
Posted 08 April 2009 - 07:37
Whilst my heart wants Chris Amon to be there, you need to win races to win a WDC. Poor Chris belongs more in the second category.Originally posted by Vegetableman
Decent list, but you're missing Chris Amon.
#25
Posted 08 April 2009 - 07:42
If only he had a Ferrari and not a Minardi....
-KB
#26
Posted 08 April 2009 - 07:46
#27
Posted 08 April 2009 - 07:49
- Louis Chiron
- George Follmer
- Jackye Oliver
- Vern Schuppan
- Peter Gethin
- Peter Revson
- Froilan Gonzalez
- Pedro Rodriguez
- etc.
#28
Posted 08 April 2009 - 08:03
Why the Montoya devotion?I do not understand.Decent to good equipment in F1 and NASCAR and a jouneyman type record,Good but certainly not great.
Two we will never know,Tony Brise and Tom Pryce
Don't understand the Chiron bit as he would be a bit old and if you include him you include all the Pre War greats
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Posted 08 April 2009 - 08:06
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Posted 08 April 2009 - 08:13
#31
Posted 08 April 2009 - 08:23
#32
Posted 08 April 2009 - 08:27
[list=1]
[*]Moss
[*]Coulthard
[*]Reutemann
[*]Massa
[*]Peterson
[*]Berger
[*]Barrichello
[*]Ickx
[*]Arnoux
[*]Montoya
[/list=1]
#33
Posted 08 April 2009 - 08:42
#34
Posted 08 April 2009 - 08:46
#35
Posted 08 April 2009 - 09:02
The raw number of wins is an easy and therefore easily misleading figure.Originally posted by TT6
The list you're going to hate... based on the number of wins
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In the past there were far fewer GP's each year.
Careers were tragically short. To survive for three full seasons anywhere near the front of the field was itself a measure of greatness.
There are lots of great drivers that haven't been mentioned yet. No Siffert. No Seaman. Not even von Trips who got so close. Let alone really quick guys that never got a proper chance to show in GP's just what they could do. Folk like Roger Williamson.
But on a very short list of people that were truly outstanding in their day, I'd say Moss, because its pretty much obligatory, but right up with him would be Peterson for sheer speed and Ickx for results in uncompetitive (GP) machinery.
#36
Posted 08 April 2009 - 09:10
1960 Bruce McLaren
1961 Wolfgang von Trips
1969 Jacky Ickx
1970 Jacky Ickx
1971 Ronnie Peterson
1974 Clay Regazzoni
1978 Ronnie Peterson
1979 Gilles Villeneuve
1981 Carlos Reutemann
1982 Didier Pironi
#37
Posted 08 April 2009 - 10:31
Gurney, Brooks, Gilles, Ickx, Peterson, McLaren should surely follow.
On the "who knows what could have been" side you must have Brise, Pryce, Rodriguez, Cevert and Beallof
#38
Posted 08 April 2009 - 11:15
#39
Posted 08 April 2009 - 11:18
Originally posted by Barramut
Jackes Villeneuve.
Do you mean Gilles brother ? or the 1997 F1 world champion ?
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#40
Posted 08 April 2009 - 11:19
#41
Posted 08 April 2009 - 11:25
Originally posted by wdh
In the past there were far fewer GP's each year.
Careers were tragically short.
Maybe just divide the number of wins by the number of attended races? If that won't help, then exclude Coulthard, Massa and Montoya by some other criteria.
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Posted 08 April 2009 - 11:30
#43
Posted 08 April 2009 - 11:41
#44
Posted 08 April 2009 - 11:53
No sh*tOriginally posted by MegaManson
Do you mean Gilles brother ? or the 1997 F1 world champion ?
Jackes became F1 WDC ?
#45
Posted 08 April 2009 - 12:00
#46
Posted 08 April 2009 - 12:04
Originally posted by john ruston
Not worked it out but would think that Moss wins the GP's driven against wins ratio as well .Min no of drives 20.Coultard now that a good one when you consider JV,Gurney,etc
Have I misread it or have you too forgotten that JV won a world title ?
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Posted 08 April 2009 - 12:04
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Posted 08 April 2009 - 12:09
#49
Posted 08 April 2009 - 12:16
http://farm4.static....pg?v=1206216627
I don't think that it's copywritten...
#50
Posted 08 April 2009 - 12:21
Originally posted by john ruston
Getting my JV's And GV's muddled.It's my age.Obviously Gilles as the son was lucky to win anything and screwed his career up due to a poor choice of management and money.Thinking about it Lewis could make the same mistake.
Gilles was Jacques father.