Your three most beautiful racing or sports cars from the '60s and '70s
#1
Posted 30 October 2004 - 23:03
In order of preference
1) Ferrari 250 SWB
2) Porsche 917
3) Ford GT40
Opinions?
Besides this,does anybody know where I can find bibliography on this 3 cars?
Thank you!
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#2
Posted 30 October 2004 - 23:26
Bob Jane's McLaren M6 Repco V8.
With Doug Macarthur's Rennmax not too far behind... once the front was changed.
#3
Posted 30 October 2004 - 23:34
2 - Ferrari 312 PB
3 - Ferrari P4
John
#4
Posted 31 October 2004 - 00:02
2. Porsche 917 Langheck
3. Howmet Turbine
#5
Posted 31 October 2004 - 00:22
2) Ford 3L
3) Dino 206 S
#6
Posted 31 October 2004 - 01:28
Ferrari GTO 1962/63
Alfa Romeo SZ long tail
Alfa Romeo TZ (first version)
Lamborghini Miura
Ferrari Lusso 2+2
#7
Posted 31 October 2004 - 01:56
#8
Posted 31 October 2004 - 15:00
Ronnie Spain : GT 40 An individual History and Race Record by Motorbooks
International ISBN 0-7603-1694-5.
It's a good book about the GT 40 history, I advise it to you.
#9
Posted 31 October 2004 - 20:48
I know its a hard choice
Only three ;)
TXS HEROS,appreciated it!
#10
Posted 31 October 2004 - 20:50
I agree 100% with you but I wont consider the MIURA in this category
#11
Posted 31 October 2004 - 21:19
While I'm here, why don't I make my third selection... the front engined Lola of 1959... especially when painted in Torreador red and leading a Lotus 23.
#12
Posted 31 October 2004 - 21:29
2. Ford GT40 MkII
3. Porsche 911
#13
Posted 31 October 2004 - 22:28
2. Ferrari 250 GTO 1964
3. Ferrari P3/4
#14
Posted 31 October 2004 - 22:37
Porsche 917 #25 as raced at Le Mans by Elford and Ahrens.
Jaguar D-type - long nose and tail fin Le Mans spec
#15
Posted 31 October 2004 - 23:39
Ford 3L
Maserati Tipo 61 - criticised in period for putting round wheeels in square wheel arches, but with time I feel its lines show it to be the last of the front-engined sports cars
Kier, the D-Type was fifties and the short nose without fin is more attractive when you see it in the metal
#16
Posted 01 November 2004 - 00:31
Ray...can you post a photograph of that car?
No one likes the 250 SWB...
#17
Posted 01 November 2004 - 07:16
2- Chaparral 2F
3- Abarth 3000 SP '70
Rafa
#18
Posted 01 November 2004 - 11:47
Chevron B16
The Lindner-Nocker "low-drag" E-Type
Daren mk 2
#19
Posted 01 November 2004 - 12:04
And for a book about it: "Fabulous Porsche 917" by Peter Hinsdale. But be prepared to pay big bucks .... cheapest I can find is $95!
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#20
Posted 01 November 2004 - 14:25
OOPS!!
Sometimes, when you have been on the planet as long as I have....................
What was I saying again??
Oh yeah! You tend to blur the decades a little bit and.............
Maybe you could show us a "side by side" comparison??
The Jag is still a great looking race car, but to correct myself, how about the 60's V12 Jag meant for LeMans but never raced?? Alain (you lucky bastard) DeCadenet drove it on the Speed TV specials.
#21
Posted 01 November 2004 - 16:21
#22
Posted 01 November 2004 - 16:38
Chevron B16 (a kind of 'baby Lola T70'?)
Ford 3L (the 'P68')
and, well... the 2F I guess!
(Others that I really liked to look of - if not what one might call beautiful - include the Chevron B16 spyder, B19, etc etc; Porsche 917-30; Lotus 19.)
Bournenville -
other sources for info on the 917 include
Paul Frere's "Porsche racing cars of the 70s"
Kimberley's Racing Sportscar Guide No1 "Porsche 917" by Michael Cotton
Peter Hinsdale's book does seem to be much sought after - lots of £££ in the UK - I wish I'd taken slightly better car of mine (see thru sticky-back plastic on the cover)
For development of the CanAm cars specifically: Mark Donohue's "The Unfair Advantage" (damn good read anyway).
#23
Posted 01 November 2004 - 16:54
Unfortunately, to me the 3 best looking 60s cars I can think of all did not go well.
Scarab F1
Iso Grifo
Ford F3L
I have the latter 2 in Matchbox form somewhere.
As for sources, I can only think of "Scarab" by Preston Lerner for the 1st (obviously covering the sports cars as well), which may be available in bargain bins (I got it for £2 at Blackwells in Oxford - thought all my Christmases had come early, its RRP was £30, it is VERY rare to get a bargain at Blackwells) and the Aston Publications book on 60s Sports Racing & Prototypes by Michael Cotton that I bought at the British GP in 1988. Can't remember the exact title but it has bumf on the Iso and the F3L.
If we're not allowed F1 cars I'll plump for the 250GTO as well.
#24
Posted 01 November 2004 - 16:58
Chevron B16 - book "Chevron: The Derek Bennett Story" by David Gordon
Ford F3L - no one book on this?
Ferrari 330P3 - many books on Ferrari prototypes cover it well
For sports car racing fans I recommend the following general books which aren't specific to individual marques or races.....
Time and Two Seats Janos Wimpffen's magnum opus, for those with sturdy wallets and shelves and a lot of time.
The Automobile Year Book of Sports Car Racing - superb photos with Jenks captions. 50s-early 70s.
Super Sports: The 220mph Le Mans Cars - terrible title, but a nice mostly-pictorial book on big coupes at Le Mans from the 60s to the late 80s.
Directory of Classic Sports Racing Cars by Mike Lawrence, covers the 50s very well.
Specialist British Sports-Racing Cars of the Fifties and Sixties, Anthony Pritchard's tour through the good, the bad and the profoundly ugly British "specials".
For fans of "moderns":
Endurance Racing 1982-91 by Ian Briggs,
Directory of World Sports Cars by Michael Cotton - GpC and IMSA GTP to the late 80s
There are a couple of expensive books about IMSA that I don't have - on pedigree, I'd guess that Ken Wells/Jim Martin's "Prototypes" will be good (one day I must get a copy)..... and there's a John Starkey one too
#25
Posted 01 November 2004 - 17:11
So for me:
Alfa-Romeo Tipo 33 2-litre coupe
Ferrari 250 swb
Jaguar XJ-13
PdeRL
#26
Posted 01 November 2004 - 17:15
#27
Posted 01 November 2004 - 17:26
So it has to be cars from the 1960s. I wanted to propose the Aston Martin DBR1, which is exceptionally gorgeous to look at, but that was 1950s wasn't it?
So maybe.... Lola T70, Porsche 904 Carrera, Ferrari P4.
#28
Posted 01 November 2004 - 17:32
Originally posted by Vitesse2
There's only one, IMO: the 917 - brutality and beauty in one.
And for a book about it: "Fabulous Porsche 917" by Peter Hinsdale. But be prepared to pay big bucks .... cheapest I can find is $95!
I have that book in mint condition and I won´t part with it for money.
There were at least 12 different models made of the 917...and I find it hard to pick one.
1...Ferrari 330 P4
2...1969 917 KURTZ (brutal)
3...Ferrari 250 GT Berlinetta Lusso
Best: Staff
#29
Posted 01 November 2004 - 17:52
The ones that make me smile, every time:
Lola T70 GT
Ford GT40
Ferrari 330 P4
Not to say others don't, but on a desert island...
Here are recent photos, to show what I mean
--
Frank S
#30
Posted 01 November 2004 - 17:55
- "Endurance 50 ans", three volumes by: Christian Moity, Alain Bienvenu and Jean-Marc Teissedre (ETAI)
- "La grande époque des Sport et Prototypes", Denis Jenkinson (Edita)
- "Directory of Classic Prototypes and Grand Touring cars", Anthony Pritchard.
- All the Pete Lyons and David Friedman books about the Can-Am.
- Peter Morgan's "Porsche 917, the winning formula" and "Porsche in Motorsport"
- "Ferrari Sport Prototypes" by Antoine Prunet
#31
Posted 01 November 2004 - 17:59
#32
Posted 02 November 2004 - 10:17
I've never actually seen a decent picture of the open P69 version - only front and rear views. Can anyone point me in the direction of a shot showing the car in profile?
#33
Posted 02 November 2004 - 11:19
2. Chevron B23
3. Alfa Romeo T33 -67
#34
Posted 02 November 2004 - 11:35
But isn't it strictly an 80s car?
#35
Posted 02 November 2004 - 12:44
Originally posted by BRG
So maybe.... Lola T70, Porsche 904 Carrera, Ferrari P4.
Snatched the very list from my mouth, BRG.
Mike Robbins campaigned his silver 904 in SCCA events in the Indianapolis area, in the late 1960s and early 70s, and it was always a pleasure to see the car, which remained streetable. Local driver Jaack Ensley had a Lola T70, though the first I ever saw was parked in front of the Speedway, in Penske colors with, as I recall, one of the Unser's names on it as driver; a beautiful blue car with loads of typical Penske pinstriping.
#36
Posted 02 November 2004 - 13:00
1 - Ford GT 40
2 - '64 Shelby Cobra Daytona
3 - Lola T70
#37
Posted 02 November 2004 - 17:17
2. Cobra Daytona Coupe
3. Ferrari SWB - Ford GT40 (cannot decide which!)
#38
Posted 03 November 2004 - 07:55
Lots to choose from but i still get back to these 3:-
Ferrari P4
Lola T70 GT
Ford GT40................ cars
#39
Posted 03 November 2004 - 23:02
Ford GT40
Lola T70
Ferrari 250 GTO
Although I think highly of the Porsche 904, Ferrari Testa Rossa series, the original Lola GT, Cobra Daytona coupe and the Scarab sports car just to add a few others to the mix . . .
Bobbo
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#40
Posted 04 November 2004 - 00:21
1971/72/73 Ferrari 312PB...
1970 L&M Lola T-220 Can-Am...
#41
Posted 04 November 2004 - 00:29
Let's have a look at those current favorites shall we?
McLaren M6 Coupe - got to agree with Ray on this one...
Chevron B16 - very sexy from almost every angle - photo courtesy of Pedro917
Ford GT40 - like dominatrices on wheels
#42
Posted 04 November 2004 - 08:15
Ferrari P4
Porsche 906 Carrera
I must say the Pipers were also sweet-looking, but we have to stick to 3...
Ciao
Zak
#43
Posted 11 November 2004 - 00:10
Daytona 1969
#44
Posted 11 November 2004 - 00:20
Sebring, 1971
And, of course, the most awesome endurance racing car ever built (although I never had to drive one):
Daytona 1970
#45
Posted 11 November 2004 - 00:52
The 60's-Ferrari SWB Spyder and the Jaguar E-type XK 150
The 70's- Lotus Esprit and of course the 911 Turbo
so many choices!!!! Great post. thxs
#46
Posted 11 November 2004 - 05:38
2- Maserati "birdcage" (SP 1960)
3- Lotus 72 (F1 1970) painted in RRC Walker colours
#47
Posted 11 November 2004 - 08:42
Interesting (to me, at least) that a few of the cars that crop up routinely in our suggestions - namely, M6GT, B16 coupe, T70 Mk3BGT and to a lesser degree F3L (P68) bear some resemblence to one another.
Yes, the Penske 512 was a real beauty - but I can never think of that car without recalling an image of it AFTER it hit the backmarker...
Is that Rob Walker Lotus the least-photographed of all 72s? I don't remember ever seeing a picture of it until I discovered TNF.
The GT40 has never 'done it' for me. Do I have gene missing or something?
#48
Posted 11 November 2004 - 09:08
Originally posted by 2F-001
.....Is that Rob Walker Lotus the least-photographed of all 72s? I don't remember ever seeing a picture of it until I discovered TNF.
The GT40 has never 'done it' for me. Do I have gene missing or something?
No, not at all... the GT40 was a poor relation, aesthetically, to the Lola that spawned it...
As for the Rob Walker 72, which doesn't actually belong in this thread, I'm sure there's a pic of it in Motor Sport's colour pages at some race or other during that year.
But it is so rare I actually asked Barry Boor this morning if he had a shot of it...
#49
Posted 11 November 2004 - 10:01
Originally posted by Ray Bell
No, not at all... the GT40 was a poor relation, aesthetically, to the Lola that spawned it...
As for the Rob Walker 72, which doesn't actually belong in this thread, I'm sure there's a pic of it in Motor Sport's colour pages at some race or other during that year.
But it is so rare I actually asked Barry Boor this morning if he had a shot of it...
You're right, Ray, there was such a picture. I mutilated my copy of Motor Sport and glued the thing to the cover of a schoolbook. Not a good idea, in retrospect......
#50
Posted 11 November 2004 - 11:12
Porsche 917
Lotus-Ford 49
The Brabham still looks like what I expect a racing car to look like. The Porsche elegant and brutal in one car. The Lotus for it's simplicity - a real beauty.