What do you think?
Michael Schumacher's antics in Monaco qualifying (merged)
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JForce
, May 27 2006 13:06
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:07
I've looked at it a few times now, and the car clearly locks up before the corner, slides wide as a result of the counter-steer on the way in. No way it was deliberate.
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:08
Without a doubt - do you think he would have stayed there if he wasn't on pole? 
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:08
Dirty Schumi did it again. He really is ready to do anything to win races.
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:08
That 'missed' corner was SO obvious, he took totally different line in Rascasse 'leaving' him nowhere to go.
Funny how his car didn't even hit the wall.
Too bad FIA don't have the balls to do anything for stunts like these, anyone who thinks it was a genuine screw-up is so naive it's not even funny.
Funny how his car didn't even hit the wall.
Too bad FIA don't have the balls to do anything for stunts like these, anyone who thinks it was a genuine screw-up is so naive it's not even funny.
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:08
Anthony Davidson on R5 called it instantly - he said "that was on purpose". He says if you genuinely go off there you hit the barrier.
Flav did not look impressed and the Ferrari pit looked amused.
Cheating ****.
Flav did not look impressed and the Ferrari pit looked amused.
Cheating ****.
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:09
Senna deliberately crashed at Magny Cours once to get pole so your point is ?
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:09
Originally posted by JForce
I've looked at it a few times now, and the car clearly locks up before the corner, slides wide as a result of the counter-steer on the way in. No way it was deliberate.
While he did lock up I think there was still room for him to make it around. He just decided not to.
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:09
News just in - stewards' enquiry.
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:09
Yep, commentators on MTV3 called it deliberate instantly. Way too obvious, he took a completely different line in Rascasse.
FIA - it's your chance now to prove you have some balls.
FIA - it's your chance now to prove you have some balls.
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:09
Old dirty tricks again. Schumi Schumi, you ******
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:10
He's under investigation - I guess not such a smart move after all.
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:10
It was deliberate and that is from a fan of his
Smart move by him, get over it
Smart move by him, get over it
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:10
Originally posted by se7en_24
Without a doubt - do you think he would have stayed there if he wasn't on pole?
Where else was he going to go?
I see it is under investigation now.
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:10
MS was up on that last lap, can someone explain exactly what he did?
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:11
When he turned the wheel left for the second time he wasn't correcting anyting (car wasn't sliding at all) he was just making sure he couldn't make the corner anymore. Hope he'll get reprimanded for this.
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:11
Originally posted by PhilKerr
Senna deliberately crashed at Magny Cours once to get pole so your point is ?
Wait - are you saying that Senna doing the same stunt makes it ok?
Good lord
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:11
Originally posted by PhilKerr
Senna deliberately crashed at Magny Cours once to get pole so your point is ?
Senna did it to set the time himself, not to prevent others doing it.
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:11
Looking at the replay, definately on purpose.
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:11
As soon as the cheater saw his S2 time he knew he would not get pole so he resorted to blocking the track. It was by intent just like all his questionable moves over the years.
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:11
MS ... we sure wont miss you when your gone ... hopefully soon
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:12
MS is always in the race...
Smart move.
jnp
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:12
Very dirty. The FIA should throw the book at him but you just know they wont. Senna did the same thing once but he just drove around slowly blocking the track.
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:12
Hopefully FIA has the balls to punish the cheating bastard.
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:13
You all saw the onboard, right?
Yes. Clever but not quite fair. This reminds me of his staged spin few years ago. Was it Q1 of Silverstone? Everybody wanted to qualify first due the threat of rain.
He picked up completely abnormal line before the corner. At the time he steered to the wall the car was almost stopped already. Even I could have kept it on track from there
Yes. Clever but not quite fair. This reminds me of his staged spin few years ago. Was it Q1 of Silverstone? Everybody wanted to qualify first due the threat of rain.
I've looked at it a few times now, and the car clearly locks up before the corner, slides wide as a result of the counter-steer on the way in. No way it was deliberate.
He picked up completely abnormal line before the corner. At the time he steered to the wall the car was almost stopped already. Even I could have kept it on track from there
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:14
Originally posted by PhilKerr
It was deliberate and that is from a fan of his
Smart move by him, get over it
If it was deliberate, and if the stewards agree then it ain't such a smart move. If, in the opinion of the stewards a car deliberately stops out on the circuit their times from the session will be cancelled - with no right of appeal. Schumacher might have just consigned himself to p10 on the grid.
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:15
Originally posted by MCH
When he turned the wheel left for the second time he wasn't correcting anyting (car wasn't sliding at all) he was just making sure he couldn't make the corner anymore. Hope he'll get reprimanded for this.
First- it looks pretty bad, and should be investigated.
But when u lock up, your braking distance increases- if you try to turn in at the normal apex you will lose the back- if the stewards can see that MS could of made the corner(from telemetry) then yes, put him at the back of the grid.
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:16
IF it was deliberate he should get penalised, but proving it's pretty tricky.
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:16
He looks like a school boy who's been caught cheating in an test in the press conf. confusing his words, stumbling, looking away a lot, blinking a lot...
Without doubt, he did not do everything he could to get the car out of the way. I really really don't want to believe that he intentionally blocked the circuit, but I can think of no other justification for what he did.
According to ITV - EVERY OTHER TEAM is saying it was deliberate.
Doug
Without doubt, he did not do everything he could to get the car out of the way. I really really don't want to believe that he intentionally blocked the circuit, but I can think of no other justification for what he did.
According to ITV - EVERY OTHER TEAM is saying it was deliberate.
Doug
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:17
Regardless of what Schumi did Alonso wasn't impeded, he drove around Schumi's car so did Alonso get any loss of time ?
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:17
Originally posted by PhilKerr
Senna deliberately crashed at Magny Cours once to get pole so your point is ?
Wanna back that up with a source or video?
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:18
of course it was deliberate. if this is called a smart move we have a really diverting understanding of why to watch a sport. he should be disqualified or be put back to the last row. what an ***hole.
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:18
Smart , but I do hope they put him to the back of the grid for it.
, but I do hope they put him to the back of the grid for it.
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:19
What a sneaky move - but I have to say I am happy for the championship's sake.
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:19
I hope MS quits, I won miss him. I am so disappointed 
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:19
Originally posted by PhilKerr
Regardless of what Schumi did Alonso wasn't impeded, he drove around Schumi's car so did Alonso get any loss of time ?
3 tenths.
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:19
We all know Alonso doesn't slow for yelllow flags, so how could he have been impeded? (that's a joke by the way) 
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:19
Nothing new here to see. He has done it always.
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:19
Originally posted by PhilKerr
Regardless of what Schumi did Alonso wasn't impeded, he drove around Schumi's car so did Alonso get any loss of time ?
Of course he did- you cant set your best time during a yellow flag.
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:19
I haven't seen a replay, so I can't tell. But if the stewards think it was deliberate, he should go to the back of the grid. Deleting his fastest time isn't enough of a penalty.
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:19
Given all the telemetry they have, the data will be there...but on whom does the FIA call to have it interpreted?Originally posted by Group B
IF it was deliberate he should get penalised, but proving it's pretty tricky.
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:19
MS said the engine was running.. then it just stalled a few times later?.. HAHAHAHAHA
yeah right!
yeah right!
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:20
Looked odd, he should have made the corner after the tail got lose, but for some reason he opened up again and turning in for a second time :
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:20
Originally posted by Group B
IF it was deliberate he should get penalised, but proving it's pretty tricky.
Even if it wasn't deliberate, he should still be punished because his "mistake" most like gave him unfair advantage.
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:20
I wouldn't put it past him - doing this on purpose. He has a certain history...
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:21
Originally posted by Group B
IF it was deliberate he should get penalised, but proving it's pretty tricky.
Recall JV fisi gate!
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:21
Looking at the replay it's even more obvious.
Totally wrong line in Rascasse, doesn't even try to to go wide but turns intentionally to inside. Then he straightens the wheels quickly before turning them to right again, that little move made sure he couldn't turn in time.
Notice how he doesn't touch the wall so that the car won't be damaged.
If FIA fails to punish MS, it's only further evidence of double-standards.
Totally wrong line in Rascasse, doesn't even try to to go wide but turns intentionally to inside. Then he straightens the wheels quickly before turning them to right again, that little move made sure he couldn't turn in time.
Notice how he doesn't touch the wall so that the car won't be damaged.
If FIA fails to punish MS, it's only further evidence of double-standards.
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 13:21
Originally posted by Bart
I haven't seen a replay, so I can't tell. But if the stewards think it was deliberate, he should go to the back of the grid. Deleting his fastest time isn't enough of a penalty.
Each session in qualifying is different, if you set your best time of the day in the first 15 mins then tough, Schumi broke no rules in the first 2 sessions so the most they are entitled to do is put him 10th
