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#1 jimmyc

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Posted 20 December 2006 - 17:31

Was there a prewar German Championship? I am not talking about the hillclimb- mountain title, as I know about that. Was there a racing championshp. I dimly remember hearing about one that may have included the Eifel, GP and AVUS races. If so what years was it run and how was it decided?

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#2 Hans Etzrodt

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Posted 21 December 2006 - 20:27

Here some incomplete notes. I hope it helps.

1934 1st Deutsche Straßenmeisterschaft
May 27 – Avusrennen
June 3 – Eifelrennen
July 15 – GP of Germany
The first five in the final results will count; all three races are obligatory.
1 – Hans Stuck (Auto Union) – 8 points
2 – Manfred v. Brauchitsch (Mercedes-Benz) – 5 points
3 – August Momberger (Auto Union) – 2 points
4 – Paul Pietsch (Alfa Romeo) – 1 point


1935 Deutsche Straßenmeisterschaft
May 26 – Avusrennen
June 16 – Eifelrennen
July 28 – GP of Germany
1 – Rudolf Caracciola (Mercedes-Benz) – 7 points
2 – Hans Stuck (Auto Union) – 4 points
3 – Bernd Rosemeyer (Auto Union) – 4 points


1936 Deutsche Straßenmeisterschaft
June 14 – Eifelrennen
July 26 – GP of Germany
To be eligible, a driver has to participate in both championship-runs. In case of point equality the better result in the GP of Germany will be decisive.
1 – Bernd Rosemeyer (Auto Union) – 10 points
2 – Hans Stuck (Auto Union) – 3 points
3 – Rudolf Hase (Auto Union) – 1 point


1937 Deutsche Straßenmeisterschaft
June 13 – Eifelrennen [self]
July 25 – GP of Germany [self]
Aug. 1 – Grand Mountain Prize of Germany
To be eligible, a driver has to participate in all three championship-runs. In case of point equality the better result in the GP of Germany will be decisive.
1 – Rudolf Caracciola (Mercedes-Benz)


1938 Deutsche Straßenmeisterschaft
Aug. 24 – GP of Germany (The Eifelrennen did not take place)
1 – Hans Stuck (Auto Union) – [M+S 1938, No.33, p26]
Lang could not become champion, since he stayed at the pits for some time while changing cars and therefore he did not complete the whole distance.


1939 Gross-Deutsche Straßenmeisterschaft
May 21 – Eifelrennen
July 23 – GP of Great Germany
Sep 17 – Grand Prix of Vienna (race cancelled in August)
1 – Rudolf Caracciola (Mercedes-Benz) – 6 points
2 – Hermann Lang (Mercedes-Benz) – 5 points
3 – H.P. Müller (Auto Union) – ? points
4 – Paul Pietsch (Maserati) – ? points

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Posted 21 December 2006 - 21:12

Thanks for the help, Hans. I searched the web for a 31 or 32 Championship( in both German and English) and found nothing. I assume that means 1934 was the first year of the championship.

#4 Hugo Boecker

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Posted 21 December 2006 - 23:13

1939 Point system
first 5 second 3 third 1
points
Eifelrennen
Lang 5 - (Nuvolari 3) - Caracciola 1
GP
Caracciola 5 - Müller 3 - Pietsch 1

Nuvalari as an Italian wasn't eligible for points thus his 3 points were not awarded.
Table:
Caracciola 6
Lang 5
Müller 3
Pietsch 1

#5 Hans Etzrodt

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Posted 22 December 2006 - 03:29

Switzerland held their first automobile championship in 1926.
Italy in 1927,
Austria in 1928,
Germany in 1934.

#6 anjakub

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Posted 22 December 2006 - 07:52

Poland like Italy held their first automobile championship in 1927.

#7 Patrick Fletcher

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Posted 22 December 2006 - 08:52

Flicked through a book at Borders book shop today which I think was titled 'Press Photos in Germany pre 1939'.
There was a large photo of a race start at AVUS with 500cc cars and two groups of larger cars waiting behind for their start.
Maybe this was part of a championship.
If of interest I will see if I can get a scan.

#8 Hugo Boecker

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Posted 22 December 2006 - 09:28

Originally posted by Patrick Fletcher
Flicked through a book at Borders book shop today which I think was titled 'Press Photos in Germany pre 1939'.
There was a large photo of a race start at AVUS with 500cc cars and two groups of larger cars waiting behind for their start.
Maybe this was part of a championship.
If of interest I will see if I can get a scan.

Yes it was ... after WWII
would like to see the picture

#9 Hugo Boecker

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Posted 22 December 2006 - 15:33

Originally posted by Hans Etzrodt
Switzerland held their first automobile championship in 1926.
Italy in 1927,
Austria in 1928,
Germany in 1934.

The first French Championship was 1938 Rene Dreyfus became the first champion

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Posted 22 December 2006 - 16:13

How were these championships decided and how were they constituted?
Germany has been explained and I know:
Italy was mainly road races with a hilll climb or two and was based on number of victories
France was mainly or all road races and was partly subjective
How abut Austria,Switzerland and Poland?

As for the rest of the world, the UK had the BRDC Gold Stars. Do any other countries make the list in the prewar era?

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Posted 22 December 2006 - 19:01

Polish championship was composed of few flat races (sprints), hill climbs and one rally – Rally Poland (the second oldest rally after Rallye Monte Carlo).

Polish Champions:
1927 Henryk Liefeldt
1928 Henryk Liefeldt
1929 Jan Ripper
1930 Count Maurycy Potocki

The first title in 1927 was awarded Mr Henryk Liefeldt on the ground of early performances (best results in rallies and races in 1927). List of the events: 1. Flat race Lódz (15.05), 2. Silesian Rally (26-28.05), 3. VI International Rally of the Automobilclub of Poland (7-12.06), 4. Flat race Lwów (13.06), 5. Mountain Rally (16-17.07), 6. Tatra Race (14.08), 7. Concentration run to Katowice (27.08), 8. Rally Feminin (10-11.09).

Calendar events in next years:

1928
1. VII International Rally of the Automobilclub of Poland = Rally Poland (17-24 June)
2. Tatra Race (19 August)
3. Flat race – Lwów (9 September)

1929
1. Flat race – Lódz (12 May)
2. Hill climb – Krzyzowa (2 June)
3. VIII International Rally of the Automobilclub of Poland (16-26 June)
4. Tatra Race (11 August)
5. Flat race – Lwów (25 August)

1930
1. Flat race – Lódz (18 May)
2. Hill climb – Ojców (8 June)
3. IX International Rally of the Automobilclub of Poland (22-29 June)
4. Tatra Race (24 August)
5. Flat race – Lwów (7 September)

In year 1931 – planed five events, but only two took place - Grand Prix of Lwów (7 June) and Tatra Race (16 August). Title not awarded. Later not organized championship.

#12 Hans Etzrodt

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Posted 22 December 2006 - 22:35

The 1926 Swiss Automobile Championship comprised six hill climbs and one speed trial. The participation at Klausen and Eaux-Mortes was obligatory. Each contestant had to take part in at least four of the seven events.
Point scoring system:
1 – point for first place
2 – points for second
3 – points for third
4 – points for fourth, fifth, sixth, etc.
5 – points for non arrivals at the finish.
6 – points for non entries.
Every contestant had to participate in at least two events besides the two obligatory events.
The four best results counted, the driver with the lowest point score was the winner.
Winner had to have not more than 8 points.
Winner had to have won at least one event.
If two drivers in the same class had the same point score, the better time at the Klausen decided the winner.

1926 CHAMPIONSHIP EVENTS
May 30 – Grafenort-Engelberg
June 13 – Eaux Mortes, Kilometer flat sprint (international) OBLIGATORY
June 27 – Rheineck-Walzenhausen-Laachen
July 4 – Biaufonds-La Chaux-de-Fonds
July 11 – Monte Ceneri
Aug 8 – Klausen (international) OBLIGATORY
Sep 12 – Gempen

A) Touring cars, 5 classes/winners
B) Sports cars, 5 classes/winners
C) Racing cars, class E (1500-2000 cc)
1. Herman Kracht (Bugatti 2-liter) 4 points (Final score)

#13 Hans Etzrodt

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Posted 23 December 2006 - 08:14

1927 Swiss Automobile Championship

Every contestant must participate in at least one event besides the three obligatory events.
The four best results count, the driver with the lowest point score is winner.
Winner must have not more than 7 points.
Winner must have won at least one event.
If two drivers in the same class have the same point score, the better time at the Klausen decides the winner.
Same point scoring system as in 1926.

1927 CHAMPIONSHIP EVENTS:
Mar 6 – Eaux Mortes, Kilometer lancée Geneva
June 12 – Mauborget (Waadt) OBLIGATORY
June 19 – Altstetten-Schlieren, Kilometer lancée Zürich
July 3 – Gurnigel OBLIGATORY
August 13 – Klausen OBLIGATORY

Championship winners:
Touring cars 1500 cc, Class F: - A. Scheibler (Fiat) 6 points
Touring cars Class E: - Botta (Diatto)
Touring cars Class C: - Gacon (Martini)
Sports cars 750-1100 cc Eduard Probst (Salmson) 6 points
Sports cars 1100-1500 cc A. Schneider (Bugatti) 4 points
Sports cars 1500-2000 cc Thoms (Bugatti) 5 points
Sports cars 3000 cc-5000 cc Walter Delmar (Steyr) 4 points
Racing cars 2000-3000 cc Josef Merz (Bugatti) 5 (only one class)

#14 Hans Etzrodt

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Posted 23 December 2006 - 17:37

1928 Swiss Automobile Championship

Same regulations as in 1927.
Every contestant had to participate in the four obligatory events.

1928 CHAMPIONSHIP EVENTS
Mar 18 – Eaux Mortes, Kilometer lancée, OBLIGATORY
June 3 – Kriens-Eigental, OBLIGATORY
July 8 – Zugerberg, OBLIGATORY
Sep 9 – Grand Saconnex, Kilometer arête, OBLIGATORY

1. – E. Rouvière (Fiat), category and class G, 1100 cc touring cars, had 6 points.
1. – A. Scheibler (Fiat), class F, 1500 cc touring cars, had 6 points.
1. – Jean Büttikofer (Martini), class C, 5-liter touring cars, had 6 points.
All other contestants had more points and did not qualify.