Bit of an obscure Brabham question: regarding the Brabham BT42 entered by (I believe) the Jolly Club team for Luigi-Mimmo Cevasco in the 1976 Shellsport G8 championship race at Mallory Park: any more news about this driver/team and maybe even pictures of the car? Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks.
Brabham BT42 in ShellSPORT Gp8
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Posted 30 January 2008 - 16:40
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Posted 30 January 2008 - 16:42
Thanks, that was quick...
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Posted 30 January 2008 - 17:14
Originally posted by Twin Window
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Strange airbox on there -- doesn't look like anything the I recall works cars ever wearing, where did it come from?
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Posted 30 January 2008 - 17:17
Late-1973 spec. I've got a pic somewhere...
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Posted 30 January 2008 - 17:20
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Posted 30 January 2008 - 17:51
Originally posted by Twin Window
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Cor - hadn't seen that one before. Interesting and very different to the early '73 and '74 boxes - Obviously a line of experimentation that didn't pay off! Many thanks.
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Posted 30 January 2008 - 21:06
This type of airbox was designed for the last two North American races of 1973 WDC.
At Mosport it was used on Ceramica Pagnossin Team MRD's Brabham BT42/6 driven by Rolf Stommelen, who was replacing Andrea de Adamich after 1973 British GP first lap accident. Also in Canada it was practiced by Wilson Fittipaldi and Carlos Reutemann. Carlos didn't use it in the race, but Wilson did.
For tragic Watkins Glen race Rolf Stommelen was replaced by John Watson in a cockpit of Brabham BT42/6 which had the same airbox again (see LAT photo taken during practice above). Carlos Reutemann tried such airbox in practice, but not in the race. Wilson Fittipaldi used it in practice and in the race.
After 1973 this airbox was used only with Brabham BT42/6 in the events listed below:
- 1974 Belgian GP (Gerard Larrousse)
- 1974 Austrian GP (Helmut Koinigg)
- 1974 Italian GP (Carlo Facetti)
- 1976 Shellsport Group 8 Championship at Mallory Park (Luigi-Mimmo Cevasco).
Not sure if it was also tried by Gerard Larrousse at Dijon in 1974.
At Mosport it was used on Ceramica Pagnossin Team MRD's Brabham BT42/6 driven by Rolf Stommelen, who was replacing Andrea de Adamich after 1973 British GP first lap accident. Also in Canada it was practiced by Wilson Fittipaldi and Carlos Reutemann. Carlos didn't use it in the race, but Wilson did.
For tragic Watkins Glen race Rolf Stommelen was replaced by John Watson in a cockpit of Brabham BT42/6 which had the same airbox again (see LAT photo taken during practice above). Carlos Reutemann tried such airbox in practice, but not in the race. Wilson Fittipaldi used it in practice and in the race.
After 1973 this airbox was used only with Brabham BT42/6 in the events listed below:
- 1974 Belgian GP (Gerard Larrousse)
- 1974 Austrian GP (Helmut Koinigg)
- 1974 Italian GP (Carlo Facetti)
- 1976 Shellsport Group 8 Championship at Mallory Park (Luigi-Mimmo Cevasco).
Not sure if it was also tried by Gerard Larrousse at Dijon in 1974.
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Posted 30 January 2008 - 22:02
IIRC, Larousse also used this airbox in Belgium in 1974.
ETA: Oops - I was too slow on the return button.
ETA: Oops - I was too slow on the return button.
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Posted 31 January 2008 - 07:42
Thanks everyone, already this has all been quite helpful so far.
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Posted 31 January 2008 - 11:39
Who was Luigi M-C, did he have any Italian history of any sort??
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Posted 31 January 2008 - 12:16
I just know he rode the F5000 Dywa at Zolder and Brands in 1975Originally posted by Mallory Dan
Who was Luigi M-C, did he have any Italian history of any sort??
http://www.forix.com...-autosprint.jpg
A Autosprint article about it
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Posted 31 January 2008 - 13:42
For sure he did F3 in 1975 in a Jolly Club GRD and in the nineties he was in Italian touring cars (an Opel Vectra I believe).
And check this out: http://www.sportauto...ts.asp?TID=2264 scroll down and you see a recent picture of him.
Also an interesting piece on the DYWA F1 on the same page.
And check this out: http://www.sportauto...ts.asp?TID=2264 scroll down and you see a recent picture of him.
Also an interesting piece on the DYWA F1 on the same page.
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Posted 19 December 2008 - 20:50
For what it is worth, I have the original airbox from the John Watson, Andrea de Adamich car. I acquired it at the Watkins Glen Grand Prix at the end of the 1973 season.
I am trying to locate the current owner of the car, should he want it for the car or his colection.
Thanks to anyone who has any info.
Mike Allison
miallison@msn.com
I am trying to locate the current owner of the car, should he want it for the car or his colection.
Thanks to anyone who has any info.
Mike Allison
miallison@msn.com
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Posted 20 December 2008 - 09:57
Mike, I sent an e-mail to the current owner to let him know.
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Posted 20 December 2008 - 11:57
Originally posted by AAA-Eagle
This type of airbox was designed for the last two North American races of 1973 WDC.
At Mosport it was used on Ceramica Pagnossin Team MRD's Brabham BT42/6 driven by Rolf Stommelen, who was replacing Andrea de Adamich after 1973 British GP first lap accident. Also in Canada it was practiced by Wilson Fittipaldi and Carlos Reutemann. Carlos didn't use it in the race, but Wilson did.
For tragic Watkins Glen race Rolf Stommelen was replaced by John Watson in a cockpit of Brabham BT42/6 which had the same airbox again (see LAT photo taken during practice above). Carlos Reutemann tried such airbox in practice, but not in the race. Wilson Fittipaldi used it in practice and in the race.
After 1973 this airbox was used only with Brabham BT42/6 in the events listed below:
- 1974 Belgian GP (Gerard Larrousse)
- 1974 Austrian GP (Helmut Koinigg)
- 1974 Italian GP (Carlo Facetti)
- 1976 Shellsport Group 8 Championship at Mallory Park (Luigi-Mimmo Cevasco).
Not sure if it was also tried by Gerard Larrousse at Dijon in 1974.
It looks very similar to the Trojan F5000 airbox of the time.
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Posted 20 December 2008 - 18:00
From what I'm learning here, the airbox I have was used on many of the Brabham Team cars carrying the Pagnossin logo. I have a photo of Andrea de Adamich with my airbox on his car as well as Carlos Reutimann driving a car with it installed.
My airbox preceeded the one that this thread originally referred to. It had probably been retired by the Canadian GP but was brought over as a spare. I probably was able to acquire it since the team wouldn't have to ship it back.
I'll see if i can locate the photos,
Mike
My airbox preceeded the one that this thread originally referred to. It had probably been retired by the Canadian GP but was brought over as a spare. I probably was able to acquire it since the team wouldn't have to ship it back.
I'll see if i can locate the photos,
Mike
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Posted 20 December 2008 - 20:32
Here are some photos.
http://cid-1ca7b2224.....20BT42 Airbox
Hmmm... I guess you'll have to paste this address in your browser to see the photos. If you'll notice, there is a tire mark on the left side of the box. An unusual place for a tire mark, unless it was involved in the 1973 British GP debacle at the start.
Silly thought:If Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In were still in existence I suppose that might be another of their quotes "Paste THAT in your browser!"
Sorry, my mind wanders lately, often on trips I haven't even planned.
Mike
http://cid-1ca7b2224.....20BT42 Airbox
Hmmm... I guess you'll have to paste this address in your browser to see the photos. If you'll notice, there is a tire mark on the left side of the box. An unusual place for a tire mark, unless it was involved in the 1973 British GP debacle at the start.
Silly thought:If Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In were still in existence I suppose that might be another of their quotes "Paste THAT in your browser!"
Sorry, my mind wanders lately, often on trips I haven't even planned.
Mike
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Posted 20 December 2008 - 21:51
Originally posted by Allspeed
Here are some photos.
http://cid-1ca7b2224.....20BT42 Airbox
Hmmm... I guess you'll have to paste this address in your browser to see the photos. If you'll notice, there is a tire mark on the left side of the box. An unusual place for a tire mark, unless it was involved in the 1973 British GP debacle at the start...
Definitely a possibility, if it came from Brabham BT42/4.
De Adamich was the only driver injured in the 1973 British GP pile up - he suffered a broken ankle (foot/leg?) after his car ploughed into the sleepers under the Motor bridge.
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Posted 18 January 2009 - 21:52
Ciao a tutti!!
Luigi Mimmo Cevasco.
Luigi Mimmo Cevasco.
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Posted 19 January 2009 - 12:42
Ciao Luigi!!! Benvenuto nel TNF! Sono molto contento di vederti qui!
Marko
Benvenuto nel TNF! Sono molto contento di vederti qui! Marko
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Posted 19 January 2009 - 13:04
Ciao Luigi, good to see you joining in!
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Posted 19 January 2009 - 15:36
More than that in fact, Mike...Originally posted by Allspeed
From what I'm learning here, the airbox I have was used on many of the Brabham Team cars carrying the Pagnossin logo.
Your airbox, or one of the same design, was first used in 1972 on the BT34 of Wilson Fittipaldi (see below the pics I took at Brands just before the '72 GP)
The tyre mark can't be explained by it being having been used on de Adamich's BT42, as he was using the standard-spec original airbox during that race as my photo below and the one underneath it illustrate.
The above photo also dispels the myth that de Adamich was injured by colliding with the sleepers; in fact all the damage to both he and his car was done when he barrelled into the back of Beltoise's BRM.
For comparison, another of my pics from Silverstone '73 showing the profile of the original BT42 airbox.
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Posted 19 January 2009 - 16:23
Herbie looks very young there doesn't he!
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Posted 19 January 2009 - 21:40
Good evening to you, I'm Luigi Mimmo Cevasco, occasionally Ifound myself here and I noticed thaat I was mentioned during a discussion and one moment later I found a picture of mine on a F1 car, well ever since that period I've continued to take part to a lot of other races, with a lot of different Kind of car, and nowadays I keep on doing that, not to mention my latest job as a manager in a Touring cars-and-Prototype racing team in Italy, of course
I'am very pleased that after 30 years a lot of people keep on talking about my experience in the English Championship
Pleased to me et you
Luigi Mimmo Cevasco.
I'am very pleased that after 30 years a lot of people keep on talking about my experience in the English Championship
Pleased to me et you
Luigi Mimmo Cevasco.
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Posted 20 January 2009 - 09:37
Welcome to the forum Luigi. I'm sure we'd all love to hear any stories you'd like to share. 
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Thank you so much, unfortunately to tell everything about more than 40 years of races it would be way tooo long, for sure, anyway I'll be happy to answer to every question that will be made to me.
Luigi Mimmo Cevasco
Luigi Mimmo Cevasco
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Presto verrò a correre in Inghilterra!!!!!!
L. M. Cevasco.
L. M. Cevasco.
