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Started by pedrovski , Sep 19 2007 12:00

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#1 pedrovski

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:00

www.FIA.COM

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#2 QdfV

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:05

But the link on the FIA site doesn't seem to work...?

#3 SennasCat

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:07

Both links are broken. Or it could be the fact I upgraded my antivirus the other night :confused:

#4 ensign14

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:08

Oh pissflaps, it's adobe. Have to read tomorrow.

#5 valachus

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:10

haha it's a small .pdf icon and a text - "Transcript of WMSC hearing - Paris, 26 July/13 September, 2007".

No link, no .pdf file there.

#6 pedrovski

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:11

I'm reading the first one a the moment.

#7 pedrovski

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:14

The links aren't working now.

#8 L33

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:17

The reason they are not working is because I reported something very serious to the FIA, I presume they are correcting this error and they will be reposted.

#9 prty

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:23

Originally posted by pedrovski
I'm reading the first one a the moment.


Can you save it and upload into rapidshare? The serious thing reported in the first pdfs uploaded made me curious :D

Edit: or PM me if you don't feel like doing it in the public forum!

#10 L33

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:26

Do not upload the originals anywhere guys, we dont want to get someone fired at the FIA and we dont want McLaren kicking up a fuss about this... just when things are calming down.

#11 L33

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:27

Originally posted by jokuvaan

heh was the blacked out text information still inside the file?


Possibly

#12 Owen

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:27

Stepney will sort you out for original documents.

#13 L33

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:28

Originally posted by Owen
Stepney will sort you out for original documents.


Hahaha, yeah too true... you might be able to contact Mike by now too, he'll have it by SMS or email already. :rotfl:

#14 L33

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:29

To be honest, the information is only of real use to other F1 teams.

#15 Ploert

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:30

RTL GP (Dutch broadcast company has thet transcripts)

Transcripts

#16 L33

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:33

Do not go posting information obtained from these in this forums, I am sure you will get into a lot of trouble doing so.

#17 Clatter

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:33

Originally posted by L33
Do not upload the originals anywhere guys, we dont want to get someone fired at the FIA and we dont want McLaren kicking up a fuss about this... just when things are calming down.


Depends on who is being fired, and if they have messed up then Mac are entitled to shout.

#18 L33

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:34

Originally posted by Clatter


Depends on who is being fired, and if they have messed up then Mac are entitled to shout.


So some poor soul in the press department didn't understand how to do something properly... human error.

#19 schuey100

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:35

LOL :)

They've left the text available so you can see what they struck out. Stupid.

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#20 jokuvaan

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:39

Damage is already done, there are probably tens of thousands original files already and moving fast.
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btw there really is tiny amount of blacked information, I dont think nobody looses his night sleep because of this.

#21 pedrovski

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:42

Originally posted by prty


Can you save it and upload into rapidshare? The serious thing reported in the first pdfs uploaded made me curious :D

Edit: or PM me if you don't feel like doing it in the public forum!


I think I shut it down when I was looking to download the Sept.13th one. :blush:

#22 SchuOz

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:45

Here you go

http://www.fia.com/m.../190907-01.html

#23 Clatter

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:45

Originally posted by jokuvaan
Damage is already done, there are probably tens of thousands original files already and moving fast.


Anyone got the orig, who is willing to share it?

I'm really curious now. Hate to be missing out on something.

#24 rad787

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:46

There's no way a copy of the same will not find its way out eventually considering that it was made part of the public domain, even though by accident.

#25 L33

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:46

Originally posted by jokuvaan
Damage is already done, there are probably tens of thousands original files already and moving fast.

That may be the case but highlighting it here doesnt help at all

#26 Beef Eater

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:47

Priceless! Now you know what teams wanted to hide from us. FIA is very open organization :rotfl:

#27 L33

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:47

Originally posted by Clatter


Anyone got the orig, who is willing to share it?

I'm really curious now. Hate to be missing out on something.

You are not missing out on anything but confidential McLaren information that is of no use to you, me or 99% of people on this forum probably.

#28 Clatter

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:48

Originally posted by L33

That may be the case but highlighting it here doesnt help at all


Out of interest, why are you worried about it?

#29 rad787

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:48

Do you think maybe this is one way to get Mclaren off the fine? By alleging misconduct on the part of FIA and its employee, the Mclaren could ask for a setoff in terms of damages vs. fine imposed? Just perplexing why a fundamental error like this is committed for a very sensitive and highly controversial case.

#30 Suntrek

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:49

I managed to save it on my HD before FIA's server crashed.

Here you go, dears

http://rapidshare.co...9-2007.pdf.html

So sue me, FIA! :cat:

#31 prty

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:49

Originally posted by pedrovski


I think I shut it down when I was looking to download the Sept.13th one. :blush:


No problem, they are in the RTL link. I thought they revealed who killed JFK but it's not really that interesting.

By the way you are all spies. The black text is intended to be confidential, and even if it's easy to know what it says, you shouldn't, and report to Max. Spies :down:

By the way, they used the trick!

I require – you to look Mr Lowe, Mr Dennis, Mr de la Rosa and Mr Hamilton in the eye and, unless
you are satisfied beyond doubt that each and every one of them is lying to you, you will let us off.


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#32 L33

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:52

Originally posted by Clatter


Out of interest, why are you worried about it?

Only because of the impact that it might have, firstly to the employee that did it, secondly because of the relationship the FIA already has with McLaren and finally for F1!

#33 Suzy

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:54

There are some interesting spelling errors in the July 2007 file. Who is Patty Lowe and Pat Frye? And Luca Montezimilo?

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:55

This must be the first hearing in a decade in which the word Schumacher did not come up. Not once.;)

It's really interesting to read, a very nice move by the FIA. :up:

#35 L33

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:56

Originally posted by Suzy
There are some interesting spelling errors in the July 2007 file. Who is Patty Lowe and Pat Frye? And Luca Montezimilo?

It does say the files are unedited by the FIA however I wonder if the blocking to cover the text was by McLaren themselves...

#36 L33

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:56

Originally posted by Tigershark
This must be the first hearing in a decade in which the word Schumacher did not come up. Not once.;)

It's really interesting to read, a very nice move by the FIA. :up:


:rotfl:

#37 sanat

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 12:58

Originally posted by Suntrek
I managed to save it on my HD before FIA's server crashed.

Here you go, dears

http://rapidshare.co...9-2007.pdf.html

So sue me, FIA! :cat:

You uploaded the edited version ;)
Where can I find the unredacted version?

#38 ensign14

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 13:03

Page 16 in September. Was Piccinini making mischief in the hearing? ;)

#39 windsok

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 13:06

Originally posted by sanat

You uploaded the edited version ;)
Where can I find the unredacted version?


copy + paste is your friend :lol:

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 13:06

Originally posted by sanat

You uploaded the edited version ;)
Where can I find the unredacted version?

Copy and paste the black text somewhere else to see what it says.

What a bunch of numpties the FIA are, from Max downwards it seems.

#41 Tigershark

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 13:06

It seems Hamilton said no more than five words during that hearing... makes you wonder why he even bothered to show up. :)

This little exchange is great:

Nigel TOZZI: "When he came to you, saying that he had information – as you tell us, in the course of a heated discussion – you did not carry out any further investigation to see whether there had been any truth
in what he had said."
Ron DENNIS: "That is completely out of context."
Nigel TOZZI: "Answer the question, then give us the context."
Ron DENNIS: "I will not answer the question."
Nigel TOZZI: "Very well."
Ron DENNIS: "I will give you a detailed account, so that you can put the whole issue in context."



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#42 peanutslab

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 13:07

Originally posted by sanat

You uploaded the edited version ;)
Where can I find the unredacted version?


If it's the same version I've got, just select the blacked out text, and copy it to Word or similar. Voila.

#43 Orin

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 13:09

Originally posted by Tigershark
It seems Hamilton said no more than five words during that hearing... makes you wonder why he even bothered to show up. :)

This little exchange is great:

;)


Excellent, RD bitchslaps the prosecuting lawyer! :D

#44 kNt

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 13:20

:lol: they could have painted the interesting tech stuff bright yellow instead of black, much more comfortable.

#45 ensign14

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 13:23

Originally posted by Tigershark
It seems Hamilton said no more than five words during that hearing... makes you wonder why he even bothered to show up. :)

I thought he handled the questioning brilliantly. Absolutely convincing evidence.

I like the reference to the Australian Gland Prix.

#46 Clatter

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 13:24

Originally posted by L33

Only because of the impact that it might have, firstly to the employee that did it, secondly because of the relationship the FIA already has with McLaren and finally for F1!


If an employee has made a mistake, then MM should be held responsible as the Boss. Isnt that what he is telling RD?

Seems to me that the FIA could be done under article 151 for revealing confidential info.

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 13:25

Originally posted by L33
Do not upload the originals anywhere guys, we dont want to get someone fired at the FIA and we dont want McLaren kicking up a fuss about this... just when things are calming down.


Don't we?

#48 ZZMS

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 13:27

To me it looks like blacked out text hurts Ferrari more than McLaren

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 13:29

Originally posted by se7en_24
Copy and paste the black text somewhere else to see what it says.

What a bunch of numpties the FIA are, from Max downwards it seems.

That's flat-out hilarious! Good work FIA! :up:

Edited to add: Maybe this is all part of Max's cunning plan to make us see how light a penalty McLaren received or something.

#50 Bart

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 13:31

I can't quite bring myself to read all of this, but Autosport.com's summary makes Fred look like a bit of an a-hole.
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