European Formula Libre Racing 1947 - 1952

We've already discussed at length (and will probably/hopefully continue to do so) the various Formula Libre races in South America and Australia/New Zealand. However, apart from the odd race here and there, what is still really missing is a concise account of European Formula Libre Racing in the post-WW2 era, which was an important backbone of the racing scene well into the fifties.

I want to start this thread and the follow-up to summarize our knowledge about these races, which are not fully covered elsewhere. Here's a list of the races of which I am aware, to stimulate the curiosity and encourage those who already know some details to post them here.

The remark "full results available" means that I have more or less complete stats for these races, and I will post these results whenever somebody inquires about them. All other results are incomplete and any help is gratefully appreciated.

Date		Venue			 Event				   Remarks

1947-05-11  Hockenheim		Maipokal-Rennen		 full results available

1947-05-25  Chimay			GP des Frontières	   full results available

1948-05-09  Hockenheim		Maipokal-Rennen		 full results available

1948-05-25  Isle of Man	   Manx Cup				1st Kenneth Bear (Bugatti)

1948-05-30  Köln			  Kölner Kurs			 full results available

1948-07-11  Karlsruhe		 Dreieck-Rennen		  full results available

1948-08-08  Aachen			Wald-Rennen			 full results available

1948-08-15  Schottenring	  Rund um Schotten		1st Egon Brütsch (Maserati)

1948-09-19  Grenzlandring	 Grenzlandring-Rennen	full results available

1948-10-24  Salo			  Circuito del Garda	  full results available

1949-05-08  Hockenheim		Maipokal-Rennen		 full results available

1949-06-05  München-Riem	  Flugplatz-Rennen		full results available

1949-06-12  Schottenring	  Rund um Schotten		full results available

1949-06-26  Tübingen		  Stadtring-Rennen		full results available

1949-09-18  Solitude		  Solitude-Rennen		 full results available

1949-10-02  Köln			  Kölner Kurs			 full results available

1950-04-10  Goodwood		  Chichester Cup		  ?

1950-09-24  Brno			  Masarykuv Okruh		 full results available

1950-09-30  Goodwood		  Woodcote Cup			?

1950-10-07  Castle Combe	  Hastings Trophy		 1st Brian Shawe-Taylor (ERA)

1950-10-07  Winfield		  WJC Trophy			  ?

1951-03-25  Gamston		   Nottingham Trophy	   ?

1951-03-26  Goodwood		  Chichester Cup		  ?

1951-05-14  Goodwood		  Festival of Britain	 ?

1951-05-14  Gamston		   ?					   ?

1951-05-26  Boreham		   WECC Trophy			 ?

1951-06-14  Isle of Man	   Castletown Trophy	   ?

1951-07-21  Gamston		   Kenning Trophy		  ?

1951-08-11  Boreham		   WHDCC Trophy			1st Brian Shawe-Taylor (ERA)

1951-09-29  Goodwood		  Woodcote Cup			handicap race: 1st Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo)

1951-10-06  Castle Combe	  Hastings Trophy		 1st Bob Gerard (ERA)

1951-10-13  Winfield		  WJC Trophy			  1st Reg Parnell (BRM)

1952-04-14  Goodwood		  Chichester Cup		  ?

1952-04-19  Ibsley			WHDCC Trophy			?

1952-05-17  Boreham		   WECC Trophy			 ?

1952-05-31  Charterhall	   WJC Trophy			  ?

1952-05-31  Snetterton		HLCC Trophy			 1st Bob Gerard (ERA)

1952-06-02  Goodwood		  Sussex Trophy		   ?

1952-06-21  Boreham		   WECC Trophy			 ?

1952-06-28  Snetterton		ECMC Trophy			 ?

1952-07-19  Silverstone	   GP Support			  35 laps, 1st Piero Taruffi (Thin Wall)

1952-08-23  Turnberry		 SSCC Trophy			 20 laps, 1st Reg Parnell (BRM)

1952-09-27  Goodwood		  Woodcote Cup			1st Froilán González (BRM)

1952-09-27  Goodwood		  Goodwood Trophy		 15 laps, 1st Froilán González (BRM)

1952-09-28  Brno			  Zavod Druzby Narodu	 full results available

1952-10-04  Castle Combe	  Hastings Trophy		 1st Bob Gerard (ERA)

1952-10-11  Charterhall	   ?					   1st Bob Gerard (ERA)

My initial response when I saw this post was, "outside the UK, there weren't any". I was forgetting the early postwar Belgian and German events, and the odd one or two others.
I can supply at least bare results (1-2-3) for most of the UK races, and may be able to add a few more. But I won't promise to do it before the weekend...

Take your time, David, this is supposed to be a long-running thread!

ON A NOBLE QU... :just kidding:

Here are some results of Formula Libre races at Goodwood, taken from the book 'The Glory of Goodwood'.

10 April 1950, Goodwood, Chichester Cup - 5 laps

1 - 'B Bira' (Maserati 4CLT/48), 8m 55.8s
2 - Emmanuel de Graffenried (Maserati 4CLT/48), 9m 00.4s
3 - Dennis Poore (Alfa Romeo 8C-35), 9m 01.6s
Fastest Lap: Peter Walker (ERA E-Type), 1m 43.8s


30 September 1950, Goodwood, Woodcote Cup - 5 laps

1 - Reg Parnell (BRM P15), 9m 10.0s
2 - 'B Bira' (Maserati 4CLT/48), 9m 11.6s
3 - Emmanuel de Graffenried (Maserati 4CLT/48), 9m 27.4s
Fastest Lap: Parnell, 1m 45.6s


26 March 1951, Goodwood, Chichester Cup - 5 laps

1 - Reg Parnell (Maserati 4CLT/48), 8m 41.0s
2 - Brian Shawe-Taylor (ERA B-Type), 8m 43.6s
3 - 'B Bira' (OSCA 4500G), 8m 52.2s
Fastest Lap: Shawe-Taylor, 1m 41.2s


14 May 1951, Goodwood, Daily Graphic Race for the Festival of Britain Trophy

Heat 1 - 7 laps
1 - Reg Parnell (Ferrari Thinwall), 11m 11.6s
2 - Emmanuel de Graffenried (Maserati 4CLT/48), 11m 24.0s
3 - Brian Shawe-Taylor (ERA C-Type), 11m 26.8s
Fastest Lap: Parnell, 1m 32.8s

Heat 2 - 7 laps
1 - 'B Bira' (OSCA 4500G), 11m 25.2s
2 - Giuseppe Farina (Maserati 4CLT/48), 11m 30.0s
3 - David Hampshire (Maserati 4CLT/48), 11m 42.0s
Fastest Lap: 'B Bira', 1m 33.8s

Final - 15 laps
1 - Reg Parnell (Ferrari Thinwall), 23m 34.2s
2 - Giuseppe Farina (Maserati 4CLT/48), 23m 45.0s
3 - Emmanuel de Graffenried (Maserati 4CLT/48), 24m 17.8s
4 - Brian Shawe-Taylor (ERA C-Type), 24m 18.4s
5 - Duncan Hamilton (Talbot-Lago T26C), 24m 40.6s
6 - Tony Rolt (ERA-Delage), 24m 40.8s
Fastest Lap: Parnell, 1m 31.4s


29 September 1951, Goodwood, Woodcote Cup - 5 laps

1 - Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo 158), 7m 31.8s
2 - Reg Parnell (Ferrari Thinwall), 7m 38.4s
3 - Tony Rolt (ERA-Delage 15S8), 8m 09.4s
Fastest Lap: Giuseppe Farina


14 April 1952, Goodwood, Chichester Cup - 6 laps

1 - Mike Hawthorn (Cooper T20-Bristol), 10m 06.8s
2 - Tony Rolt (ERA-Delage 15S8), 10m 16.8s
3 - Philip Fotheringham-Parker (Talbot-Lago T26C), 10m 38.0s
Fastest Lap: Hawthorn, 1m 39.0s


2 June 1952, Goodwood, Sussex International Trophy - 15 laps

1 - Mike Hawthorn (Cooper T20-Bristol), 25m 22.2s
2 - Bob Gerard (ERA B-Type), 25m 24.8s
3 - Dennis Poore (Alfa Romeo 8C-35), 26m 16.8s
Fastest Lap: Hawthorn, 1m 39.0s


27 September 1952, Goodwood, Woodcote Cup - 5 laps

1 - Jose Froilan Gonzalez (BRM P15), 8m 13.0s
2 - Giuseppe Farina (Ferrari Thinwall), 8m 19.2s
3 - Reg Parnell (BRM P15), 8m 23.0s
Fastest Lap: Gonzalez, 1m 36.2s


27 September 1952, Goodwood, Goodwood Trophy (listed as the Daily Graphic Trophy) - 15 laps

1 - Jose Froilan Gonzalez (BRM P15), 24m 30.6s
2 - Reg Parnell (BRM P15), 24m 38.2s
3 - Ken Wharton (BRM P15), 24m 48.8s
Fastest Lap: Parnell, 1m 35.6s

25.5.1948
Manx Cup/Castletown Trophy
18 laps x 3,88 mile
F libre + 1100 s/c cars (classified separately)
Started 5 classified 3 (F Libre)
Results/fast lap/practice time
1. - K.W. Bear #70 - Bugatti 59 3300 s/c - 1:06:36 / 3:34 in lap 7/ 3:40
2. - R.D. Poore - Alfa Romeo 3800ccm - 13 laps/ 3:17 in 3 / 3:21
3. - J.E.G. Fairman #66 Bugatti 35C 2000 s/c - 10 laps / 3:55 in 7/ 3:48
Retired
R.F Salvadori - Alfa Romeo 2900 ccm - 5 laps / 3:33 in 2 / 3:33
N. Carr - Alta 2000 ccm - 5 laps? / 3:39 in 3 / 3:38

More interesting than naked results I believe is the background of these Formula Libre races. As we all know, the pre-war formula was 3 ltr s/c resp. 4.5 ltr aspirated, and the 1.5 ltr s/c voiturette class. Despite the fact that already before the war the future GP formula was announced to be 1.5 s/c and 4.5 aspirated, we have to see what was left over in the early post-war years.

The 3 ltr s/c German machinery was banned from international racing, and additionally partly unavailable (AU in Soviet Zone). Not to talk about the other problems Germany was faced with at that time.
Italy concentrated already before the war on voiturettes with the Alfa 158 and the Maserati 4 CL, some older 4 CM and 6 CM and a few 308 or even older 8C s/c Alfas and 8 CL’s / CTF’s survived also.
France was left with some more conventional machinery from Talbot-Lago and Delahaye, plus some even more outdated Bugattis.
Great Britain could only count on their voiturette ERA’s, and some rather mixed inventory of older foreign cars and specials.
New post-war activities like that of Gordini, Cisitalia, and Alta targeted the voiturette or even smaller classes, and except Ferrari in 1948 no “fresh blood” appeared in the Grand Prix class.

Based on this it was obvious that Italy and France backed the 1.5 / 4.5 ltr GP formula, and consequently most races in these countries had been held to this formula, as sufficient cars survived to fill the grids at least reasonably.
In Britain only a handful of private ERA’s plus a few Maseratis had been available, to fill up the grids some events had been organized as FL. Nevertheless such regulation couldn’t attract more than the sporadic 308 or 8C Alfas.
In Germany the situation was completely different. Banned from the international platform they had been free to create their own rules. Only very few pre-war cars survived the war, the AU’s had been out of reach, and Mercedes-Benz had other problems. At the 1947 Maipokalrennen at Hockenheim only 3 cars competed in the FL race, whereof only one larger than 1.5 ltrs. Acc. to my knowledge there was never a typical FL event in Germany, the races had been for sports cars of all sizes, and later for F2, and FL was never more than a demonstration run.

From 1948 on the situation was cleared, F1 now officially was 1.5 s/c resp. 4.5 ltr aspirated, and the new “voiturette” class was F2 with 2 ltr aspirated engines (believe the also allowed 500 cc s/c possibility never was really tried). Nobody seriously built new “big bangers”, so this meant that – at least in Europe – Formula Libre had only one sense: to “wear up” some outdated pre-war machinery. The 1948 Circuito di Garda was one of the few FL races, but except Farina’s Ferrari, which probably was equipped already with the 2 ltr s/c engine later used in Argentina, the rest of the grid was F1 or even F2. If the Farina Ferrari really was eqipped with the 166 s/c engine (we have no final proof for it), my personal believe is that this race was held for FL only for one reason: to allow Ferrari to test the Temporada engine in practice! And for the 1950 Czech GP, also officially FL, no car at all exceeding the F1 restrictions had been entered. In 1950 the German “FL” events disappeared, as international rules now applied. A lot of FL races in Britain in 1950/51, but I believe the “FL” was more political than technical, as most of these races had been club races, traditionally outside governing national or international regulations.

The situation changed in 1952, with world championship races held on F2 basis, suddenly a lot of F1 machinery was obsolete. However, there was no need to organize FL events for these cars, as they still had been real F1’s. Again a lot of FL races in Great Britain, but the refusal of the F1 rules for these events for sure had no technical reasons.

A serious change came in 1954, when F1 was restricted to 2.5 ltr aspirated. Still some of the old F1 cars like the BRM V16, the last Thinwall Special, and probably also some Ferrari 375 had been in use, so sporadic races for Formula Libre – meaning ex-F1 – could make sense. However, most of these “dinosaurs” meanwhile disappeared with direction South America and Australia / New Zealand, so the term “Formula Libre” in Europe only had traditional meaning.

Could we have a comparison with what was happening in North America at the time. I have always been enthralled with the pre-war ARCA stuff, but we generally read only of Sports Car racing in the road racing sphere in the States.
Was there any open-wheeler racing, and what about Canada?
And did much of the outdated machinery go to Africa?

Ray, these are certainly valid questions and I would like to have them answered as well, but rather in a seperate thread! I would like this thread to keep to its subject, to bring some 'Germanic' sense of order to The Digression... oops, Nostalgia Forum.

Thank you!

Michael,

Remember that it really isn't digression to a historian but rather an attempt to put that information in context....

This and the companion thread are great ideas. I had not thought much of the FL races until I saw the year end reviews in Autosport at the Watkins Glen Library. After initially not giving them much attention, I soon saw where they could lead.

Ray, there were FL races in the USA and races that skirted the edge until things really began to get better organized. I do recall the FL races at IRP where one year (1963?)Gurney won in a Lotus 18 - Climax FPF against a field of run what ya brung, by something like five laps. To a large extent, the US Fall Pro Races were FL events with the proviso that there had to be fenders. I think that in oval racing that various organizations stepped in to fill the breach and utilize the redundent machinery in some fashion.

Yes, there was even a NASCAR Speedway Division for a very short time, 1952-55 IIRC. They used redundant Indy chassis with stock block engines! Formula Libre, if you like...

I'm slowly compiling my data fines. To save duplication, I presume you have results of the early postwar races in Italy, France etc which weren’t offically F1 (or even FA) but which were not really libre either? Or shall I include them in my list?

David, what I have is basically Sheldon's books and a bit more info on the German races. I think it's probably fair to say that those of us who are interested in this kind of stuff already have the 'Black Books' or should anyhow try to obtain them, to avoid reiteration of already well done research (don't castigate me for that, anybody! ). However, if some time we're done with what is missing in the 'Black Books', we can still pass that information on to those not lucky enough to get copies of these, although I would think that all volumes should still be obtainable.

BTW, thanks to Francis and sat, this is already a good start!

The NASCAR Speedway Division was in operation for the 1952 Season and ran seven races, Buck Baker being the Champ. It was a direct result of both AAA running a Champ Car race at Darlington and Bill France's own interest in Champ Car racing.

# 1 Darlington, 10 May 1952, Buck Baker, Penny Mullis Cadillac Special

# 2 Martinsville, 25 May 1952, Tex Keene, Al Wheatley Mercur Special

# 3 Rochester, NY (Monroe County Fairgrounds), 30 May 1952, Wally Campbell, Campbell Ford 8 Special

# 4 Charlotte, 1 June 1952, Wally Campbell, Campbell Ford Special

# 5 Lakewood, 8 June 1952, Al Keller, WW Burroughs Cadillac Special

# 6 Heidelberg, PA, 15 June 1952, Tom Cherry, Cherry Mercury Special

# 7 Langhorne, 29 June 1952, Tom Cherry, Cherry Mercury Special

This is taken from Greg Fielden's chapter on the Speedway division in Rumblin' Ragtops: the Hisotry of NASCAR's Fabulous Convetible Division. Fielden just tossed it in as an extra and I had been looking for this information for years!

I can put together result for most of the post-1950 races, but I don't want to duplicate work other people might be doing. Are you covering the whole period of this thread David?

25.3.1951
Nottingham Trophy for FL
20 laps
1. - G.M.. Richardson - RRA 1496 s/c - 31:15,0
2. - G.S. Shilitto - Riley 19998 ccm - 32:09,0
3. - C. Heath - Cooper 1100 ccm
also raced
Brooker

11.8.1951
West Essex CC
Daily Mail 50 Guineas Championship Trophy
rain

entry list
Reg Parnell - ERA 2000 s/c - (May's black) // NS - engine in practice
Duncan Hamilton - Maserati 4CL 1490 s/c // retired - piston (originally entered on Talot-Lago)
Tony Rolf - Delage
B.N Shawe-Taylor - ERA 1488 s/c - // 1. in race
A.G. Whitehead - ERA 1488 s/c //2. in race
T. Allard - Allard-Cadillac 5480 ccm // 3. in race
G.E. Abecassis - HWM 1960 ccm // 4. (14 laps)
Oscar Moore - HWM 190 ccm // 5.
R. Dutt - Maserati 2640 s/c // 6.
A. Stokes - Alta 1960 ccm.. // 7.
G. Watson - Alta 1960 ///8.
Ken McAlpine - Connaught 1767 cm
J. James - Maserati 4CLT 1461 s/c
R.F. Salvadori - Alta 1488 s/c
W. Dobson - BMW 19996 ccm
P.A.T. Garland - Talbot //DNS mechanical failure in practice


13.10.1951
entry
Parnell - Thon Wall Ferrari // 1.
Gerard - ERA 2000 ccm
Wharton - ERA 1500 ccm // 2.
Hampshire - ERA
Green - ERA
Somervail - ERA
A.G. Whitehead - ERA // 3.
etc ....

In an article about the Talbot Lago T26C, I've found a Formule libre race not included in your list.

10 May 1952: Snetterton, 10 laps, Formula libre race
1- Tony Rolt (Delage ERA)
2- Duncan Hamilton (Talbot Lago T26C 110011) + 4"
3- ? (Jaguar XK120)
4- ? (Jaguar XK120)
5- ? (Jaguar XK120)
..
DNS- Ken Wharton ERA
DNS- Dennis Poore Alfa Romeo 8C-35

It was raining. Hamilton slid twice but didn't go off the track.

1952-10-11 Charterhall Daily record International Trophy race
1- Bob Gerard (ERA)
2- Ken Wharton (BRM T15 MkII V16)
3- Louis Rosier (Ferrari 375)
4- Peter Walker (Cooper ERA)
5- Yves Giraud-Cabantous (Talbot-Lago T26C DA 110053)
6- Eric Thompson (Connaught A A5)

DNF- Nino Farina (Ferrari 375 Thinwall special)
DNF- Reg Parnell (BRM T15 MkI/1 V16)
DNF- "Bira" (Osca 4500 G V12)

Yes I was aiming to do the lot, but will call a halt. Other people are able to move faster than I can, and a number of results I have researched are beginning to appear. I won't waste any more time till everyone else has made their contributions

15.8.1948
Rund um Schotten
80 000 spectators
Started 7
1. - Westenrieder-Maserati 3700 ccm - Egon Brütsch - D - 112,5 km/h
2. - Veritas-BMW - Georg Meier - D - 107, km/h
3. - BMW Eigenbau - Roland Mall - D - 106,3 km/h
4. - BMW Spezial 750 - Ferdinand Lehder - D - 98,1 km/h
retired - Monopol - Helmut Polensky - D

14.5.1951
Sheffield & Halamshire MC
Sheffield Telegraph Trophy
for race cars over 500 ccm
1. - Miles Martin - ERA 1496 s/c
2. - G.N. Richardson - RRA 1488 s/c
3. G.S. Shilitto - Riley 1988 ccm
retired C.A. Brooker - Cooper

26.5.1951
Maidstone & Mid Kent MC
Silverstone
1. - J. Goodhew - Alfa Romeo 2992 s/c
2. - G. Tyrer - BMW 1972 ccm
3. - R. Dutt - Maserati 2640 s/c

26.5.1951
West Essex CC
Boreham Challenge Trophy
20 000 , 15 laps
Started 13
Grid 4_3_4 with pole on right
1. Parnell
2. Rolt
3. Poore
4. Booker
...
results
1. #48 - R.D. Poore - Alfa Romeo 3800 s/c
2. #12 - A.PR. Rolt - Delage 1488 s/c
3. #47- R.Parnell - Maserati 4CLT 1490 s/c
4. #62 - C. Booker - Cooper-JAP 1097 ccm
Also enterd
E. Thompson - Bugatti 2262 s/c
S.H. Allard - Allard 5420 ccm
P. Clark - H.R.G. 1750 ccm
A. Elliott - Cooper 1000 ccm
J. Barber - Cooper 1000 ccm
W.S. Aston - Cooper 1098 ccm
N. Pugh - Cooper 498 ccm
J. Green - Maserati 1496 s/c
M. Martin - ERA 1488 s/c

21.7.1951
Sheffield & Halamshire MC
F Libre race
50 laps
Started 8
Grid 4_3_4
1. Gerard
2. Hamilton
3. ...
4. Poore
...
1. - 62 - Bob Gerard - ERA 1488 s/c
2. - J.T. Sutherland - ERA 1488 s/c
3. - Graham Whitehead - ERA
4. - 59 - Duncan Hamilton - ERA
5. - 65 - Dennis Poore - Alfa Romeo P3 3800 s/c
retired
D. Hampshire - ERA
66 - R. Dutt - Maserati 2640 s/c
63 - J.J James - Maserati 1491 s/c

4.8.1951
West Hants & Dorset CC
Ibsley
20 laps = 44 miles
FL - Rolt 1:40,8
1.- 118 - R.D. Poore - Alfa Romeo 3800s/c
2. - K. McAlpine - Connaught 1767 ccm
3. - E. Winterbottom - Frazer Nash 1971 ccm
ret - 119 - A.P.R. Rolt - Delage special 1496 s/c

Originally posted by Marcor
In an article about the Talbot Lago T26C, I've found a Formule libre race not included in your list.

10 May 1952: Snetterton, 10 laps, Formula libre race
1- Tony Rolt (Delage ERA)
2- Duncan Hamilton (Talbot Lago T26C 110011) + 4"
3- ? (Jaguar XK120)
4- ? (Jaguar XK120)
5- ? (Jaguar XK120)
..
DNS- Ken Wharton ERA
DNS- Dennis Poore Alfa Romeo 8C-35

It was raining. Hamilton slid twice but didn't go off the track.

I think that this was actually the 3rd May.

3rd was S J Boshier, 4th Bill Black, 5th D C Truman (not Don)

For what it is worth. While doing research for my book on track roadster racing history, Roaring Roadsters #2, (shameless plug!) I ran on to a photo of a Swedish race that had to be Formula Libre. This was an International Race at Skarpnack Airfield near Stockholm in 1949. The photo shows the starting lineup containing, among other things, a couple of German Grand Prix cars, a 500 cc rear engined car, a couple of track roadsters and a car built from a wrecked Kaiser taxicab. Formula Libre---or just "run what yuh brung"?

Don

Here you can find an excellent report about the Swedish Grand Prix in 1948, seems so that the Kaiser Special was present also one year earlier.

http://www.theautoch...ber6/pg32.frame

In my eyes a really interesting story, because it shows all the small - and big - problems race organizers and participants had to solve in those early postwar years.

19.4.1952
Ibsley
10 laps
FL - Hawtorn - 1:38,0

1. - Mike Hawtorn - Cooper-Bristol - 16:43,2
2. - Graham Whitehead - ERA 1488s/c - 16:52,0
3. - 118 - Duncan Hamilton - HWM-Alta 1960 cm - 17:01,8
also raced
C.J. Hamilton - ERA

3.5.1952
Scottish SCC
Turnberry
8 laps

1. - W.D. Dobson - Ferrari (ex D.Murray) - 12:41,5
2. - Ian Stewart - Jaguar
3. - James Scott-Douglas - Jaguar
also raced Gibbon - Rover Spl.


17.5.1952
Boreham
10 laps
FL Hawtorn

1. - 5 - Mike Hawtorn - Cooper-Bristol - 20:16,0
2. - Graham Whitehead - ERA - 20:24,8
3. - Eric Thompson - Delage Spl. - 20:57,8
4. - Dennis Poore - Alfa Romeo - 21:03,4
DNS S. Allard - Allard and many others...


24.5.1952
Maidstone and Mid Kent MC
Silverstone
20 laps
FL - Downing
Entered 16 Started 6

1. - Ken Downing - Connaught -
2. - Hon E. Greenall - Bugatti 3622 ccm
3. - E. Murhett - Jaguar 3442 ccm

31.5.1952
Chartehall
20 laps

1. - Mike Hawtorn - Cooper-Bristol - 30:32,6
2. - D. Poore - Alfa Romeo
3. - Joe Kelly - Alta
also entered
Reg Parnell - maserati
Ian Stewart - Jaguar - Ecurie Ecosse
James Scott -Douglas - Jaguar - Ecurie Ecosse
W.A. Dobson - Jaguar
J. Little - Jaguar
J. Melvin - Frazer Nash

Thanks, sat, this is really great! BTW your 1948 Schotten results are pretty much the same as mine - I want to know about the two missing ones! They are supposed to have been two Kleinstrennwagen, meaning small racing cars with 750cc engines. Anyone?

About Schotten: it were Kleinstrennwagen, but no sign about marks or names.

Continued...

24.5.1952
Aberdeen and District MC
Crimond Circuit
3 000 spectacors
20 laps

1. - J.H. Walton - Frazer Nash - 34:46,0
2. - A. Birrell - ERA
3. - J. Melvin - ERA
retired
Ferrari - W.A. Dobson - Scuderia Ambrosiana??? - Oil pump
Jaguar - Ian Stewart - Ecurie Ecosse - 12 laps - Clutch

31.5.1952
Half Litre CC
Snetterton
rain
30 laps
FL - Gerard 2:10,2

1. - Bob Gerard - ERA - 1:07:24,0
2. - Eric Thompson - Delage 1498 s/c - R.R.C. Walker Racing - 29 laps
3. - John Barber - Cooper-JAP 1100 - 29 laps
4. - K. Watkins - Allard-Cadillac 5420 ccm - 29 laps
5. - G. Gale - Maserati 3000 s/c - 28 laps
6. - R.C. Willis - BMW-Bristol 1996 ccm
retired
Bill? Whitehouse - Alta - G.M. Watson - 3 laps accident, injured
Graham Whitehead - ERA - 17 laps engine
Bobby Baird - Maserati-Griffin - 27 laps engine
also entered
RRA, HAR, HWM, Veritas - most probably only good wishes from redactors The Autocar

14.6.1952
Bugatti OC
Silverstone
10 laps

1. - Oscar Moore - HWM-Jaguar - 11:17,6
..
4.- John Webb - Turner 1087 ccm
retired on grid - J. James in ex-Parnell Maserati

28.6.1952
ECMC?
Snetterton
15 laps

1. - Ken McAlpine -Connaught - 30:44,0
2. - Tony Gaze - Maserati 3000 s/c - 30:44,2
3. - Oscar Moore - HWM-Jaguar

9.8.1952
Aberdeen and District MC
Crimond
20 laps

1. - Ron Flockhart - ERA (ex Mays) - 36:30,0
2. - Ninian Sanderson - Cooper-Bristol - Ecurie Ecosse
3. - A.W. Birrell - ERA
ret - Stewart - Jaguar C#XKC006 - Ecurie Ecosse - 11 laps - rear axle

20.9.1952
AMOC
Snetterton
15 laps

1. - 27 - John Barber - Cooper-Bristol 1976 ccm - 30:12,4
2. - Eric Thompson - Delage-ERA 1498 s/c - 30:24,2
3. - K. Watkins - Allard-Cadillac 5420 ccm - 31:27,8
ret
D. Wilkinson - ERA
A.W. Birrell - ERA
in entry list
Ken Downing - Connaught
Leslie Marr - Connaught
G.N. Richardson - R.R.A.

I mean it would be good to separate national (that are the most) and international races (e.g. Daily Record Trophy in Charterhall 11.10 52 or some races in Goodwood). Bis to 1955 Czechoslovakian championship in circuit racing has also
class for Formula Libre.

sat, you're right, most of these races were fairly national affairs, but interesting all the same. Of course, the international events were far more important, so keep them coming! And don't forget about the sister thread, all!

As mentioned earlier, I have not posted any of my data as there is no point in everyone supplying you with the same information. However, before I made this decision I had completed results for 1946/49, so you might as well have them. I have omitted those libre races whose results appear in the Sheldon Black Books and also, following your comment on another thread (or was it this one?), have not included any handicap races.

16/6/46 Gransden Lodge
1. George Abecassis (Bugatti T59)
2. R V Wallington (Alfa-Aitken)
3. David Hampshire (Maserati 6CM)
4. George Bainbridge (ERA)
- Reg Parnell (Maserati 4CL)

13/7/47 Gransden Lodge
1. Dennis Poore (Alfa Romeo 8C-35)
2. George Abecassis (Bugatti T59)
3. Roy Salvadori (Alfa Romeo P3)
4. Leslie Johnson (Talbot Lago SS)
5. ??
6. John Heath (ERA)
7. Cuth Harrison (ERA)
- Kenneth McAlpine (Maserati 8CM)

25/5/48 Douglas Castletown Trophy
1. Ken Bear (Bugatti T59)
2. Dennis Poore (Alfa Romeo 8C-35)
3. Jack Fairman (Bugatti)
- Roy Salvadori (Alfa Romeo P3) DNF

18/9/48 Goodwood
1. Dennis Poore (Alfa Romeo 8C-35)
2. Peter Walker (ERA B)
3. John Bolster (ERA B)
- Graham Whitehead (ERA B)
- Geoff Richardson (Riley-ERA)

18/5/49 Goodwood Chichester Cup
1. Reg Parnell (Maserati 4CLT)
2. Dennis Poore (Alfa Romeo 8C-35)
3. Leslie Johnson (ERA E)
4. ??
5. Peter Whitehead (ERA B)
6. ??
7. Brian Shawe-Taylor (ERA B)
- Guy Gale (Talbot)

-/7/49 Curragh
no results known

17/9/49 Goodwood Woodcote Cup
1. Reg Parnell (Maserati 4CLT)
2. Peter Whitehead (ERA E)
3. Cuth Harrison (ERA C)

-/9/49 Curragh Wakefield Trophy
1. Anthony Powys-Lybbe (Alfa Romeo P3)
2.. Philip Fotheringham-Parker (Maserati 6CM)
3. Dudley Folland (Ferrari 166)
4. John James (Sunbeam “Tiger”)
- Joe Flynn (MG PB)
- Billy Groves (MG)
- Billy Leeper (MG)
- Peter Walker (ERA E) DNF
- Gordon Watson (Alta) DNF
- Roy Salvadori (Maserati 4CL) DNF
- Harry Kyle (MG K3) DNF

Thanks, David!

It seems I will have to co-ordinate help on this matter somehow... I'll be back!

Here are a couple of races from 1950 that are not on the original list.


19 August 1950, Gamston, Gamston Challenge Race for the Sheffield Telegraph Trophy - 10 laps x 1.9 miles = 19 miles.
1 - Cuth Harrison (ERA), 11m 58s
2 - Alan Rogers (Cooper)

Also raced:
- Crowley Milling (ERA)
- Gordon Shillito (Riley)


9 September 1950, Curragh, Wakefield Trophy
1 - Duncan Hamilton (Maserati 6CL)
2 - Joe Kelly (Alta GP)
3 - Oscar Moore (OBM)

As requested, here's the results of the Formula Libre races in Germany 1947-49. In 1949, a 'German Formula B Championship' was awarded so that most races included a class for F2. Some races were outright F2 and are included for the sake of completeness, also the occasional hill-climb.

1947-05-11, Hockenheim, Maipokal-Rennen
1 Hans Stuck, Cisitalia D46, 141.5 kph
2 Leonhard Joa, Maserati, 117.0 kph
? Egon Brütsch, Alfa Romeo, retired?
no other starters
Notes:
- 200,000 spectators
- Stuck possibly carried #1
- Joa: 1500cc s/c Maserati, ex-Pietsch, s/n 1553 (?)
- Brütsch: 3000cc s/c Alfa Romeo, looking like a 8C-2300 converted to a monoposto

1947-08-10, Eggberg-Rennen, hill-climb
1 (1500cc) Leonhard Joa, Maserati, 4'19.8", 90.1 kph
2 (1500cc) Hans Stuck, Cisitalia, 4'24.9", 88.3 kph
1 (3000cc) Egon Brütsch, Alfa Romeo, 4'37.1", 84.5 kph
2 (3000cc) Heinrich Herbster, Bugatti, 4'51.9", 80.0 kph
3 (3000cc) Kurt Kiefer, Maserati, 78.0 kph
4 (3000cc) Franz Braun, BMW, 61.1. kph
etc
Notes:
- calculated distance: 6.5 km
- Herbster: 2300cc s/c Bugatti
- Kiefer: 2500cc s/c Maserati 8C, reputedly built in 1932

1948-05-09, Hockenheim, Maipokal-Rennen
1 Georg Meier, Veritas, 23'25.6", 158.0 kph
2 Roland Mall, BMW-Eigenbau, 140.0 kph
3 Egon Brütsch, EBS-Maserati, 1 lap down
R Leonhard Joa, Maserati
? Kurt Kiefer, Maserati
etc
Notes:
- calculated distance: 8 laps, 61.8 km
- 300,000/360,000 spectators
- Meier: Veritas-modified BMW 328 engine with DOHC, Veritas sports car chassis
- Brütsch: 3700cc s/c Maserati engine, ex-Pietsch, chassis built by EBS, designed by Georg Westenrieder, puncture in race

1948-05-30, Köln, Kölner Kurs
1 Kurt Kiefer, Maserati, 107.4 kph
2 Hellmuth Deutz, Alfa Romeo, 107.1 kph
1 (F2) Georg Meier, Veritas, 106.5 kph
R Egon Brütsch, EBS-Maserati, supercharger
etc
Notes:
- combined race for FLibre and F2
- wet track
- Deutz: Monza-Alfa, two-seater body

1948-07-11, Karlsruhe, Dreieck-Rennen
1 Egon Brütsch, #2 EBS-Maserati, 113.8 kph
2 Roland Mall, #4 BMW-Eigenbau, 1 lap down
3 Hellmuth Deutz, Alfa Romeo, 1 lap down
R Helmut Polensky, #1 Mono-Pol, head gasket (last lap)
R Hermann Holbein, #6 HH48, transmission (last lap)
? XXX, ??? (monoposto with twin rear wheels!)
no other starters
Grid (2-1):
Brütsch - Polensky
Mall
Holbein - Deutz
XXX
Notes:
- 50,000 spectators
- Mall: streamlined two-seater body
- Polensky: rear-engined monoposto with BMW 328 engine
- Holbein: monoposto with BMW 328 engine, also known as Mono-Hol

1948-08-08, Aachen, Wald-Rennen
1 Helmut Polensky, #1 Mono-Pol, 100.7 kph
2 Egon Brütsch, #2 EBS-Maserati, 98.9 kph
3 Hellmuth Deutz, Alfa Romeo, 1 lap down
4 Hermann Holbein, HH48, 1 lap down
no other starters
Grid (2-1):
Polensky - Brütsch
Deutz
[space] - Holbein
Notes:
- wet track

1948-08-15, Schottenring, Rund um Schotten
1 Egon Brütsch, EBS-Maserati, 112.5 kph
2 Georg Meier, Veritas, 107.0 kph
3 Roland Mall, BMW-Eigenbau, 106.3 kph
4 Ferdinand Lehder, LTE, 98.1 kph
R Helmut Polensky, Mono-Pol, 1 lap
? XXX, ??? (750cc monoposto)
? XXX, ??? (750cc monoposto)
no other starters
Notes:
- Race postponed from June 20
- 80,000 spectators
- Lehder: monoposto with air-cooled 750cc BMW R75 engine, built by Tarnow, designed by Eckhardt

1948-09-05, Eggberg-Rennen, hill-climb, 6.5 km
1 Egon Brütsch, EBS-Maserati, 4'12.9", 92.6 kph
2 Helmut Polensky, Mono-Pol, 91.2 kph
3 Georg Meier, Veritas, 84.1 kph
4 Roland Mall, BMW-Eigenbau, 81.4 kph
5 Gerbel, BMW-Eigenbau, 76.2 kph
R Hermann Holbein, HH48, crankshaft (km 5)
? Fritz Gerster, Bugatti
etc
DNA Heinrich Herbster, Veritas-Bugatti, cockpit too small
Notes:
- 35,000 spectators
- Gerster: ex-Steinweg Bugatti
- Herbster: Veritas monoposto with his old Bugatti engine, a mystery car, but pictures exist!

1948-09-19, Grenzlandring, Grenzlandring-Rennen, 5 laps, 45.025 km
1 Roland Mall, BMW-Eigenbau, 16'48.1", 160.7 kph
2 Helmut Polensky, Mono-Pol, 16'52.7", 160.0 kph
3 Hellmut Deutz, Alfa Romeo, 16'58.5", 159.2 kph
4 Fritz Huschke von Hanstein, BMW
R XXX, ???
no other starters
DNS Manfred von Brauchitsch, Mono-Pol, car used by Polensky
FL Mall, 3'15.2", 166.0 kph

1949-05-08, Hockenheim, Maipokal-Rennen, 10 laps, 77.25 km
1 (F2) Toni Ulmen, #109 Veritas, 29'14.3", 158.5 kph
2 (F2) Alex von Falkenhausen, #104 AFM, 29'17.0"/29'15.0", 158.0 kph
3 (F2) Fritz Rieß, HH48, 31'14.6"/31'14.0", 148.1 kph
4 (F2) Roland Mall, BMW-Eigenbau, 9 laps, 126.7 kph
R (F2) Helmut Polensky, #100 Mono-Pol
R Egon Brütsch, #112 EBS-Maserati
no other starters
FL Brütsch, 2'46.7", 166.5 kph
Grid (3-2):
Ulmen - Brütsch - Polensky
Mall - Rieß
Falkenhausen
Notes:
- combined race for FLibre and F2
- 200,000 spectators
- Ulmen: Veritas sports car
- Falkenhausen: monoposto with BMW 328 engine, engine failure in practice, used engine from tow-car in race
- Rieß: first car race
- Mall: new open-wheeled monoposto, probably off-set, chassis by Spitzmüller (?)
- Polensky: streamlined body

1949-06-05, München-Riem, Flugplatz-Rennen, 10 laps, 27.10 km
1 Toni Ulmen, Veritas, 18'31.0", 87.8 kph
2 Fritz Rieß, #103 HH48, 18'38.0", 87.2 kph
3 Egon Brütsch, #112 EBS-Maserati, 84.3 kph
? Alex von Falkenhausen, #104 AFM
? Josef Hummel, Veritas
etc
DNS Hans Stuck, AFM, car used by Falkenhausen
FL Rieß, 94.1 kph
Notes:
- wet track
- Falkenhausen spun on lap 1, continued
- Stuck: transmission damage in practice, car taken over by Falkenhausen

1949-06-12, Schottenring, Rund um Schotten, 5 laps, 80.40 km
1 (F2) Helmut Polensky, #100 Mono-Pol, 48'37.6", 99.3 kph
2 (F2) Toni Ulmen, #108 Veritas, 48'47.5", 99.0 kph
3 (F2) Fritz Rieß, #103 HH48, 50'12.2", 96.1 kph
4 (F2) Alex von Falkenhausen, #104 AFM
? Egon Brütsch, #112 EBS-Maserati
? (F2) Heinz Jäger, #107 Veritas
no other starters
DNA Egon Brütsch, #111 EBS-Bugatti
FL Polensky, 9'23.0", 102.8 kph
Grid (2-1):
Falkenhausen - Brütsch
Ulmen
??? - Rieß
Notes:
- combined race for FLibre and F2
- wet track
- 60,000 spectators
- 6 starters, 5 finishers
- Polensky led from start to finish

1949-06-26, Tübingen, Stadtring-Rennen, 15 laps, 45.12 km
1 Egon Brütsch, EBS-Maserati, 24'06.4", 112.3 kph
1 (F2) Toni Ulmen, #101 Veritas, 24'17.8", 111.5 kph
2 (F2) Fritz Rieß, #103 HH48, 110.9 kph
R (F2) Helmut Polensky, #100 Mono-Pol, bearings
no other starters
Notes:
- combined race for FLibre and F2
- Polensky: open-wheeled body, returned to race after accident on lap 4

1949-07-31, Großer Bergpreis am Schauinsland, hill-climb, 12 km
1 Hans Stuck, #112 EBS-Maserati, 8'53.3, 81.1 kph/74.6 kph
2 Egon Brütsch, #111 EBS-Bugatti, 8'55.8"
? Heinrich Herbster, Veritas-Bugatti
1 (F2) Hans Stuck, #104 AFM, 8'37.1", 83.5 kph
2 (F2) Prinzbach, Eigenbau, 10'37.6"
3 (F2) Gerbel, BMW-Eigenbau, 10'52.8"
R (F2) Helmut Polensky, #100 Mono-Pol, fire (km 3.2)
etc
Notes:
- 100,000 spectators
- Brütsch: new EBS chassis with Bugatti engine, ex-Morgen, supposed to take on the Küchen engine (?)

1949-08-07, Nürburgring, Großer Preis des Nürburgrings, 6 laps, 136.860 km
1 (F2) Toni Ulmen, Veritas, 1:13'37.0", 111.5 kph
2 (F2) Karl Gommann, BMW-Eigenbau, 1:16'13.4", 107.6 km
3 (F2) Herman Roosdorp (NL), Veritas, 1:22'36.7", 99.0 kph
4 (F2) Roland Mall, BMW-Eigenbau
R (F2) Helmut Polensky, #100 Mono-Pol, 5 laps
R (F2) Roger Loyer (F), Cisitalia D46, suspension, 4 laps (Pos 2)
R (F2) Hans Stuck, AFM, gearbox/engine, 3 laps (Pos 1)
R (F2) Fritz Rieß, HH48, took short-cut, 2 laps (Pos 3)
R (F2) Heinz Jäger, Veritas (?), gearbox
no other starters
FL Stuck, 11'38.8", 117.1 kph/117.4 kph
Grid:
Stuck - etc
Notes:
- not the Eifelrennen, as proclaimed by Paul Sheldon
- possibly combined race for FLibre and F2, no FLibre starters
- 250,000 spectators
- Ulmen: Veritas 'Großmutter', 2nd after lap 2, 1st from lap 4-6
- Roosdorp: Veritas sports car, started late because of organisational mix-up
- Loyer: subsequently banned for two months by FIA for unauthorized competing in non-FIA-sanctioned event
- Stuck: fastest after gearbox failure in practice, replacement for race, led from start to retirement, 60" penalty for jump-start
- Rieß: 2nd after lap 1, 3rd after lap 2, black-flagged after 4 laps

1949-09-04, Dessau-Rennen, 10 laps, approx 52.5 km
1 Kurt Baum, BMW-Eigenbau, 28'28"
2 Nadolny, Alfa Romeo
etc
Notes:
- possibly sports car race

1949-09-11, Grenzlandring, Grenzlandring-Rennen, 8 laps, 72.4 km
1 (F2) Toni Ulmen, Veritas, 23'15.8"
2 (F2) Herman Roosdorp (NL), Ferrari, 23'16.6"
3 (F2) Hans Stuck, AFM, 24'16.2"
4 (F2) Heinz Jäger, Veritas
5 (F2) Anny Roosdorp (NL), Veritas, 7 laps
FL H Roosdorp, 195.9 kph
etc
Notes:
- H Roosdorp: Ferrari 166MM, c/n 0014M (?)
- Jäger: Veritas sports car
- A Roosdorp: daughter of H Roosdorp, Veritas sports car

1949-09-18, Solitude, Solitude-Rennen, 8 laps, 92.1 km
1 (F2) Toni Ulmen, Veritas, 48'31.8", 114.0 kph
2 (F2) Fritz Rieß, #103 HH48, 49'50", 111.0 kph
R Egon Brütsch, EBS-Maserati, puncture, 6 laps (Pos 1)
R (F2) Hans Stuck, AFM, engine, 3 laps
R (F2) Hermann Lang, AFM, 2 laps
R (F2) Karl Gommann, BMW-Eigenbau, 1 lap
no other starters
Notes:
- combined race for FLibre and F2
- 285,000 spectators
- Lang: AFM monoposto, ex-Vorster, with BMW 328 engine, head gasket blown in practice, qualified in Ulmen's Veritas

1949-09-25, Nürnberg, 10 laps, 40 km
1 Alex von Falkenhausen, #104 AFM, 23'14.2", 103.3 kph
2 Willi Briem, #6 HH47, 23'46.0", 101.0 kph
3 Heinz Jäger, #107 Veritas, 23'59.8", 100.1 kph
4 Helmut Polensky, #100 Mono-Pol, 24'00", 99.7 kph
5 Walter Assenheimer, BMW-Eigenbau, 98.4 kph
6 Karl Gommann, BMW-Eigenbau, 98.3 kph
7 Fritz Rieß, #103 HH48, 97.4 kph
no other starters
FL Rieß, 107.9 kph
DNA Karl Kling, #1 Veritas
DNA Karl Bossom, #12 Veritas
DNA Heinz Mölders, #24 Veritas
DNA Hermann Lang, #102 Veritas
DNA Hans Stuck, #105 Cisitalia
DNA Matthias Rühl, #110 BMW-Eigenbau
DNA XXX, ???
Notes:
- F2 race
- Briem: HH47 sports car, first race after 14 years
- Rieß: pit stop on lap 6

1949-09-25, Sachsenring, 6 laps, 52.386 km
1 Adolf Brudes, #64 BMW 340, 26'58", 116.56 kph
2 Kurt Baum, #62 BMW-Eigenbau, 28'49"
etc
FL Brudes, 4'27"
Notes:
- F2 race
- 380,000 spectators

1949-10-02, Köln, Kölner Kurs, 10 laps, 55.42 km
1 (F2) Toni Ulmen, #108 Veritas, 25'41.4"/24'41.7", 129.4 kph
2 (F2) Helmut Polensky, #100 Mono-Pol, 26'09.5", 127.1 kph
3 (F2) Karl Gommann, #110 BMW-Eigenbau, 26'31.3", 125.4 kph
4 (F2) Herman Roosdorp (NL), #109 Ferrari
5 (F2) Willi Briem, HH47
6 (F2) Heinz Jäger, #107 Veritas
R (F2) Hans Stuck, #106 AFM, engine?, 7 laps (Pos 1)
R Egon Brütsch, EBS-Maserati, puncture, 6 laps (Pos 2)
R (F2) Karl Kling, #114 Veritas Meteor, push-started after spin, 5 laps (Pos 2)
? (F2) Fritz Rieß, #103 HH48
? (F2) Helmut Niedermayr, #115 BMW-Eigenbau
? (F2) XXX, ???
no other starters
FL Ulmen, 2'24.2", 138.1 kph
Grid (2-1):
Niedermayr - Kling
Ulmen
Rieß (?) - Stuck
Jäger (??)
??? - Polensky
Gommann (???)
Brütsch (?)
Notes:
- Race postponed from July 24
- combined race for FLibre and F2
- 29,301 spectators
- Kling: first Veritas Meteor, finished 2nd, was disqualified
- Rieß: pit stop on lap 4
- Niedermayr: probably Reif-BMW

Sources:
- Reinald Schumann, "Motorsport in Deutschland, 1945-1955", Motorbuch Verlag Stuttgart, 1992
- several issues of German periodical "Der Motorsport"
- several issues of German periodocal "Das Auto"
- Paul Sheldon, "A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing, Volume 4", St Leonard's Press Bradford, 1993
- Paul Sheldon, manuscript for a proposed book covering German F2 and F3 Racing 1949-1959


David, would you be so kind to post the missing results up to 1952?

A little extension to above (from Auto - today Auto Motor und Sport - in fact without Sport)


11.5.1947 Maipokal
Stuck #1
Brutsch #8 his car may be ex Carraciola
Also was presented Kurt Kiefer with Maserati 8C, but non started with no suitable tyres

8.6.1947
Rund um die Bavaria
Schotten (Wiesbadener MSC)
Only presented race car was Stuck's Cisitalia D46, so he drove few presentation laps.

30.5.1948
Kiefer 30:58,6
Deutz 31:04,2
Meier 31:15,4
10 laps * 5,542km

If I am not mistaken, these are the results still missing:

-/7/49 Curragh
1950-10-07 Castle Combe Hastings Trophy 1st Brian Shawe-Taylor (ERA)
1950-10-07 Winfield WJ Trophy ?
1951-06-14 Isle of Man Castletown Trophy ?
1951-07-21 Gamston Kenning Trophy ?
1951-08-11 Boreham WHDCC Trophy 1st Brian Shawe-Taylor (ERA)
1951-10-06 Castle Combe Hastings Trophy 1st Bob Gerard (ERA)
1952-06-21 Boreham WECC Trophy ?
1952-07-19 Silverstone GP Support 35 laps, 1st Piero Taruffi (Thin Wall)
1952-08-23 Turnberry SSCC Trophy 20 laps, 1st Reg Parnell (BRM)
1952-10-04 Castle Combe Hastings Trophy 1st Bob Gerard (ERA)

I can only contribute:
1952-07-19
2. Luigi Villoresi Ferrari -10"
practice:
1 Gonzalez BRM, 2 Villoresi, 3 Wharton BRM, 4 Taruffi Thin-Wall
Taruffi jump start -30" (from Taruffi's memoirs)

Also: two races in Boreham on 1952-05-17? Is it possible?

Thanx sat and Alessandro, now where's David?

I will have a go at the missing ones if David is not able to.

Time is the enemy...
There didn't seem a lot of point in me researching/collating data if other people could do it more quickly and easily. I can't now see a window till a couple of weeks hence at least. Remind me again if necessary!

Results from the FL race at the 1952 British GP 1952-7-19

1 Taruffi, 4.5 "ThinWall" Ferrari, 1h 6m 28s (93.07 .mph)
2 Villoresi, 4.5 Ferrari, 1h 16m 17s
3 Landi, 4.5 Ferrari, 34 laps
4 Gaze, 2.9 Maserati, 33 laps
5 Flockhart, 2.0 ERA, 33 laps
6 Gerard, 2.0 ERA, 33 laps

FL Taruffi, Gonzalez (BRM), 1m 49sec (96.67 mph) new record for revised circuit

Here's the two 1950 races

1950-10-07 Castle Combe Hastings Trophy
1st Brian Shawe-Taylor (ERA) 81.23mph
2nd Graham whitehead (ERA) 79.64
3rd Stirling Moss (HWM) 79.56


1950-10-07 Winfield WJ Trophy
1st W E Wilkinson (ERA) 8m 16s 72.3mph
2nd B dickson (2,443 Healey)
3 Ian Stewart (2,443 Healey)

This meeting was described as the first road-race meeting in Scotland. It was a closed invitation only affair and not many competitors or spectators were expected. However, as well as those mentioned, Reg Parnell and David murray turned up as did 15,000 spectators. THere was also an Invitation GP:

1st D Murray (Maserati) 23m 2.6s
2nd R Parnell (Maserati)
3rd J Brown (Healey)
Fastest lap Parnell 1m 28.55s 82mph

Results from Castle Combe 1952-10-4

1 Gerard,, 2.0 ERA, 19m 27.8s (85.15 mph)
2 Walker, 2.0 Cooper-ERA
3 Wharton, 2.0 Cooper-Bristol

FL Gerard, 1m 16.8s (86.25 mph) record.

Not sure if these have been posted but I'll add them anyway

Crimond 1952-8-9 20 laps

1 Flockhart, ERA, 65.7 mph
2 Sanderson, Cooper-Bristol
3 Birrell, ERA

Ibsley 1952-4-19 10 laps

1 Hawthorn, Cooper-Bristol, 16m 43.2s (75.1 mph)
2 A.G.Whitehead, ERA, 16m 52s
3 Hamilton, HWM, 17m 1.8s

FL Hawthorn, 1m 37.6s (77.2 mph) record


Turnberry 1952-8-23 20 laps

1 Parnell, BRM, 79.5 mph
2 Gaze, 2.9 Maserati, 10sec behind
3 A.G.Whitehead, ERA
4 Richardson, 1762 ERA
5 Birrell, ERA
6 Dobson, 2.0 Ferrari V12

FL Hawthorn, V12 4.5 Ferrari "Thin Wall Special", 1m 16s (83.36 mph)

1951-06-14 Isle of Man Castletown Trophy 18laps
1st R Parnell (Maserati) 59m 49s
2nd D Murray Maserati 61m 15s 17 laps
Only two finished. this race was run simultaneously with the Manx Cup for 1100cc s/c and 2500cc uns/c cars

1951-07-21 Gamston Kenning Trophy 50 laps
1st F R Gerrard (ERA) 64m 30s
2nd Ian Sutherlan (ERA)
3rd A G Whitehead (ERA)

1951-08-11 Boreham WHDCC Trophy
1st Brian Shawe-Taylor (ERA) 34m 16s 78.8mph
2nd A G Whitehead (ERA) 35m 38.2s
3rd T L Allard (Allard) 36m 23.4s
4tth G E Abecassis (HWM) 1 lap behind
5th O Moore (HWM)

1951-10-06 Castle Combe Hastings Trophy
1st Bob Gerard (ERA) 13m 35s 81.27mph
2nd Peter Whitehead (ERA) 14m
3rd G E Abecassis (HWM)
4th Sid Allard (Allard-Cadillac)
Fatest lap Gerrard 1m 19.2s 83.64mph lew lap record

1951-10-13 Winfield (25 laps)
1st R Parnell (4,500cc Thinwall, Not BRM) 34m 53.4s 86.1mph
2nd Ken Wharton (ERA) 24 laps)
3rd Graham Whitehead (ERA) 24 laps
4th Joe Kelly (Alta) 24 laps
Fastest lap Parnell 1m21s (88.888mph) course record

14.6.1951
Isle of Man
BRDC Castletown Trophy, Manx Cup
18x6,242=112,365 km
Started 17(4+13) Finished 10(2+8)
Grid 3_2_3 R

1. - #1 - Alvis 12-70 Speed Twenty 2.5 - C.G.H.F. Dunham - GB - 18laps - 1:03:19,0
2. - HWM-Alta 1960 ccm - T.M. Meyer - GB - 18 laps - 1:04:35,0
3. - Turner 1087 s/c - J.H. Webb - GB - 17 laps
4. - Riley 1988 ccm - G.S. Shillito - ? - 17 laps
5. - Healey 2443 ccm - P.J. Simpson - GB - 17 laps
6. - Aston Martin 1970 ccm - E.C.W. Stapleton - GB - 16 laps
7. - Riley 1089 ccm - H.A. Richards - GB - 15 laps
8. - IRA 1496 ccm - Joe Kelly - IRL - 14 laps
R - #7 - Cooper - ? Barber - GB
R - Cooper 1100 ccm - Bill Aston - GB - Engine from 1. place
R - Cooper 1100 ccm - Eric Brandon - GB

Big class:
1. - #25 - Maserati 4CLT 1.5 s/c - Reg Parnell - GB - 18 laps - 59:49,0
2. - Maserati 4CLT 1.5 s/c - David Murray - GB - 18 laps - 1 lap penalty (jump start)
R - Maserati 4CL 1.5 s/c - J.V. Green - GB
R - ERA A-type #R2A? 1.5 s/c - Joe Ashmore - GB

Non started
Baird Griffin-MG 1096 s/c - Bob Baird - GB - Shaft driving in practice

In entry list
Cooper 1000 ccm - R.W. Merrick - GB
Cooper 1000 ccm - John Barber - GB
Cooper-MG 1467 ccm - L. Leonard - GB - started only in Empire Trophy
Frazer Nash-BMW 1996 ccm - R.C. Willis - GB
HWM 1960 ccm - Stirling Moss - GB - car not ready
HWM model 1950 1960 ccm - Oscar Moore - ? - timing chain in garage before start
HRG 1767 ccm - Peter Clark - GB
Lea Francis 1670 ccm - E.W.K. Lund - GB
MG 1087 ccm - R.W. Jacobs - GB
Delage Special 1488 s/c - Peter Walker - GB
ERA 1888 s/c - David Murray - GB
ERA 1488 s/c - J.V. Green - GB
Maserati 1490 s/c - M. Martin - GB
Maserati 1490 s/c - David Hampshire - GB

21.7.1951
Gamston
Sheffield & Halamshire MC
50x1 mile
Started 8
grid 4_3_1

1. - #62 - ERA 1488 s/c - Bob Gerard - GB - 50 laps / Practice 1.
2. - ERA 1488 s/c - J.T. Sutherland - GB - Entrant: Brian Shawe-Taylor - 49 laps
3. - ERA 1488 s/c - Graham Whitehead - GB
4. - #59 - ERA - C.J. Hamilton - GB / Pr. 2
5. - #65 - Alfa Romeo P3 3.8 s/c - Dennis Poore - GB / Pr. 4
R - ERA 1.5 s/c - David Hampshire - GB
R - #66 - Maserati 2640 s/c - R. Dutt - GB / Pr. 7
R - #63 - Maserati 1491 s/c - J.M. James - GB / Pr. 5

6.10.1951
Castle Combe
Hastings Trophy
FL - Gerard 1:19,2=134,606 kmh

1. - ERA 1488 s/c - Bob Gerard - GB - 13:35,0
2. - ERA 1488 ccm - Peter Whitehead - GB - 14:00,0
3. - HWM 1960 ccm - George Abecassis - GB
4. - Allard-Cadillac 5420 ccm - Sidney Allard - GB
R - ERA - Ken Wharton - GB - Gearbox, fire

In entry list
ERA 1.5.s/c - C.J. Hamilton - GB
ERA 1.5 s/c - T. Seccombe - GB
HWM 1960 cc m - Stirling Moss/Duncan Hamilton
HWM 1960 ccm - T.M. Meyer - GB
Delage Special 1488 s/c - Tony Rolt - GB
Ferrari 1995 ccm - Willment - GB

I see that Darren Galpin's track data base doesn't have anything for the Winfield circuit. I offer these.

black site thread.

thanks milan, Roger and sat, and hello to Rob Sheldon! Please extend a greeting to your dad, I hope he still remembers me. Nice to know that he's finally online! Bring him here, he'll find some old friends like Hans Etzrodt, Tony Kaye and many others.

bst

Sorry for multiple posts, but anyone know why I'm a junior member?
Not that im complaining......nice to be a junior again

May I add my own word of welcome, Rob. If you've spent any time looking through this forum you will have noted how valuable we all consider the Black Books to be.
The 'junior' tag has nothing to do with age - it's something all 'new boys' (and girls) go through until they've made lots of postings. I thing the magic figure is 30

Ta Roger.

Originally posted by Rob Sheldon
Any ideas for the site would be gratefully apreciated. Please email me.

How about keeping the addenda online? It has been suggested a couple of times here on TNF...

And make sure Paul gets used to the Internet, it's not THAT difficult, is it? After all, he will soon find out that he's NOT the oldest on this board... ... and it's quite addictive, too!

Missing results-Curragh-Sept 1949
O'Boyle Trophy (handicap)
1st-Joe Flynn (MG) 55.52mph
2nd-Billy Groves (MG)
3rd-Billly Leeper (MG)
Wakefield Trophy-50miles
1st-Anthony Powys-Lybbe (Alfa-Romeo) 71.82mph
2nd-Philip Fotheringham-Parker (Maserati)
3rd-Dudley Folland (Ferrari)
Total of 9 starters.
This is from "A History of Motorsport in Ireland 1903-1969"by W.A.McMaster,which has a nice photo of the start of Wakefield Trophy.