F1 1977 racing sim project

Posted 17 November 2002 - 14:16

Perran of this great "1977 Season" mod project for the Racing Sim "F1 2002"

http://www.simmods.c...8&t=6449&st=140

is still looking for pics from 1977 (thanks to all for the help so far ).

What they still need are for example more pics of the McLaren M26, anything I forgot Perran?

BTW: Just got this question from Perran:

"Do you think anyone at the AtlasF1 forums would know anthing about the technical regualations for 1977? We've only been able to do things like the wing heights/widths by guess work, but to build them to the exact dimensions would be much better"

I guess this should be no problem for you TNF guys ;)

BTW: Here are two previews of the sim gfx (no pre rendering *this* is realtime - how it looks in the game)



Lotus 78 (Mario Andretti)



Wolf WR1 (Jody Scheckter)

These are all teams they plan to include:

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Marlboro Team McLaren
McLaren M26- Ford Cos. DFV 3.0 V8
1- James Hunt
2- Jochen Mass

40- Gilles Villeneuve (unlockable McLaren M23)?

Elf Team Tyrrell
Tyrrell P34- Ford Cos. DFV 3.0 V8 ??
3- Ronnie Peterson
4- Patrick Depailler

John Player Team Lotus
Lotus 78- Ford Cos. DFV 3.0 V8
5- Mario Andretti
6- Gunnar Nilsson
6- Gunnar Nilsson (unlockable Imperial Tobacco)?

Brabham Martini Racing
Brabham BT45B- Alfa Romeo 3.0 F12
7- John Watson
8- Hans Joachim Stuck

March Racing
March 761B- Ford Cos. DFV 3.0 V8
9- Alex Ribeiro (Hollywood March Racing)
10- Ian Scheckter (Team Rothmans International)

Scuderia Ferrari
Ferrari 312T2- Ferrari 3.0 F12
11- Niki Lauda
12- Carlos Reutemann

Equipe Renault Elf
Renault RS01- Renault 1.5 V6T
15- Jean Pierre Jabouille (unlockable?)

Shadow Racing Team
Shadow DN8- Ford Cos. DFV 3.0 V8
16- Riccardo Patrese
17- Alan Jones

Team Surtees
Surtees TS19- Ford Cos. DFV 3.0 V8
18- Hans Binder (Durex Team Surtees)
19- Vittorio Brambilla (Beta Team Surtees)

Walter Wolf Racing
Wolf WR1- Ford Cos. DFV 3.0 V8
20- Jody Scheckter

Team Ensign
Ensign N177- Ford Cos. DFV 3.0 V8
22- Clay Regazzoni (Team Tissot Ensign)
23- Patrick Tambay (Theodore Racing)

Hesketh Racing
Hesketh 308E- Ford Cos. DFV 3.0 V8
24- Rupert Keegan (Penthouse Rizla Racing)

Ligier Gitanes
Ligier JS7- Matra 3.0 V12
26- Jacques Laffite

Williams Grand Prix Engineering
March 761- Ford Cos. DFV 3.0 V8
27- Patrick Neve

Copersucar-Fittipaldi
Fittipaldi F5- Ford Cos. DFV 3.0 V8
28- Emerson Fittipaldi
29- Ingo Hoffmann

Chesterfield Racing
McLaren M23- Ford Cos. DFV 3.0 V8
30- Brett Lunger

ATS Racing Team
Penske PC4- Ford Cos. DFV 3.0 V8
34- Jean Pierre Jarier


-snap-

BTW: I've never seen before such acurate 3D realtime gfx of cars from 1977. For me it's just a childhood dream come true - driving for example Watties Brabham BT45 B in a almost photorealistic computer sim

Please support this great mod project, even if you don't like computer "games" at all ;) Perhaps you got some other useful infos, corrections, ideas, etc. Maybe they forgot a sort of must have "bonus car"? I understand they even plan to include tracks from 1977 (remember it's a mod for a sim based on 2002) - so there's much room for help

Thanks!

Lutz

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Posted 17 November 2002 - 14:50

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Posted 17 November 2002 - 16:23

Hi Lutz G.


It’s look really nice.

In this game of yours, is it then possible to drive in Emerson Fittipaldi’s Copersucar F5. ?

In your post I noticed something regarding the Copersucar team of 1977. Ingo Hoffman never drove the F5. Ingo Hoffman only drove for the team in Argentina and his home race in Brazil and this in the old car the FD04. The F5 didn’t show up before midseason. I don’t know if this has any meaning regarding to your game. But now you know.

I support the wish regarding David Purley’s Lec-Ford, and don’t forget the rabbit.;)

Best Regards

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Posted 17 November 2002 - 17:34

CSGPR> Thanks for pointing out the mistake with Ingo Hoffman. I think we'll exclude him from the drivers line-up or maybe include his FD04 car as an optional extra. And yes, it will be possible to drive Fittipaldi's F5- and thanks to our physics experts it should drive like the real thing too (perhaps not so great for Fitttipaldi fans!)

On David Purley’s Lec: if I can find enough referance material I'll include that one. I'm also thinking about including the BRM- but again it depends on the reference material available.

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Posted 17 November 2002 - 17:46

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Posted 17 November 2002 - 17:53

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Posted 17 November 2002 - 17:55

Hi Ruairidh

If the FIA Yellow Book for '77 did have the technical regulations, then that would be exactly what we're after But I don't where to get hold of that, or what it is!

After we've finished this season, I'm planning on doing some 78 cars. I've already started making a Lotus 79 - in my opinion the best looking F1 car ever produced

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Posted 17 November 2002 - 17:59

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Posted 17 November 2002 - 19:43

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Posted 18 November 2002 - 07:49

Hi again

Well the BRM P207 must certainly wasn’t a beauty, but the car is a part of F1 history. in fact 1977 was the closing chapter of on of the greatest marks in F1, so I would be pleased if I was allow to drive the car on Silverstone in a monent of my own.

http://www.ifrance.c...GP/IMGP291e.jpg

Best regards

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Posted 18 November 2002 - 07:53

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Posted 18 November 2002 - 08:42

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Posted 18 November 2002 - 12:32

I have the FIA 1977 yellow book available but it is an edition with German text only!



Bold numbers indicate minimum size, others maximum size.

1 - For all parts wider than 110 cm
2 - Exhaust
3 - Bottom of metal pats of seat
4 - Roll bar
5 - Air intake inside 90 cm 90cm over bottom
6 - Main structure ? (Hauptstruktur)

AB - Parts not higher than the front rim.
C - Rearmost part of seat
D - Max width of overhanging structure F1: 140 cm F2: 130 cm
E - Max total width F1 : 215cm. F2: 200 cm
F - Main structure ? (Hauptstruktur)

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Posted 18 November 2002 - 12:55

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Posted 18 November 2002 - 16:09

I really wasn't expecting it to be possible for us to get the dimensions for many of these cars- but I've got all of them now! Thanks!

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Posted 18 November 2002 - 16:48

HI Perran

For us who want to drive the LEC F1 car and outdated Copersucar FD04

Wheel diameter 13 in. front and rear
Wheelbase 106,55 in/2705 mm
Front track 56 in./1420 mm.
Rear track 60 in./1525 mm.

weight 575 kg or 1268 lb.

The Copersucar FD04 If Ingo Hoffman is allowed in.

Wheel diameter 13in. front and rear
Wheelbase 100.9 in/2560 mm.
Front track 59 in./1500 mm.
Rear track 61 in./1550 mm.

Weighi 612 Kg./1350lb. (a heavy car)

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Posted 18 November 2002 - 17:05

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Posted 18 November 2002 - 17:40

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Posted 19 November 2002 - 18:23

let's see what i have...
there are some nice technical drawings in adriano cimarosti's masterpiece i scanned for you:
-1977 brabham techn. drawing


-1977 ligier techn. drawing


-1977 renault v6 engine detailed techn. drawing


i'd also have the data for the 77 chassis and engines from this book

from my 'private' archive (photos by jean francois galeron) i could scan the following photos:
ferrari 312t2
lotus 78
mclaren m26
wolf wr1
brabham bt45b
shadow dn8
ligier ls7
fittipaldi fd04
ensign n177
surtees ts19
stanley-brm p207
hesketh 308e
march 771 (team rothmans)
<- all 1977, i have four photos for each car plus technical data again

so if you need any of these contact me: daniel.gessner@gmx.de or icq 153521139

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Posted 21 November 2002 - 08:49

Wow! Thank you guys for the great feedback!
Based on your infos Perran is now remaking all his cars to make them more accurate. He decided to add much more detail. They'll look even better!

Lutz

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Posted 20 February 2003 - 14:22

By your request, the BRM P207... Here's a computer render of the car.

The car will be included with the mod. No release date for it as yet I'm afraid.

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Posted 20 February 2003 - 15:51

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Posted 20 February 2003 - 22:16

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Posted 21 February 2003 - 00:19

Originally posted by TODave2
Wow, I've never seem that car before.

That's going to go into my Top Ten of all time good looking F1 cars. The nose is fantastic!

Really?

Buzzbomb did a great job 3d modelling the BRM P207 - but between all those 1977 beauties like Wolf WR1, Lotus 78 (see pics in my above posting) or the McLaren M26 (did you see Buzzbomb's superb version?) - well the BRM is not really that good looking IMO - far away from any "all time" Top 10...



BTW: The BRM got other front wings on that pic...

Lutz

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Posted 21 February 2003 - 09:50

Hmmm... I don't like that shot so much

I think it's just the whole nose job I like (the rest of the car is eye-friendly). Don't like the nose with the non-raked wings though

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Posted 21 February 2003 - 17:34

I always loved the P207 from an aesthetical point of view but, of course, 'twas a bit cumbersome...

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Posted 21 February 2003 - 18:55

FORCE had this car on display at the NEC last month, newly restored



It's for sale too....

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Posted 21 February 2003 - 21:40

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Posted 21 February 2003 - 21:51

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Posted 21 February 2003 - 23:15

Originally posted by TODave2
Blimey, with the other nose wings and those odd side radiators at the back the swan turned into an ugly duckling...

Here's a picture of the car Buzzbomb's version is based on. Looks much better...




Lutz

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Posted 22 February 2003 - 10:24

Gah, now we've lost the nice engine cover!!

hehe, I'm rapidly going off this car - the only picture I've liked so far is the computer-generated one. All the real life ones make it look worse

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Posted 22 February 2003 - 10:41

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Posted 28 February 2003 - 09:15

Originally posted by petefenelon


I'm guessing that's the "P207C" - which I think young Mr Pilette might be able to help us with - didn't Teddy run it in Aurora in that form?

pete

Hi petefenelon!
Sorry, I just saw your message now.
Yes, that BRM ended in the Aurora serie but i don't know more about it.
Teddy must have more pictures in his photo-albums but I'm planning to scan them much more later
I'm occupied, during my spare time, to scan André Pilette's pictures but it look likes it gonna take me months to scan those ones first (more than 400 pictures at least) and I have to invest in a new computer, a pro. scanner and printer.

See you,

Toine

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Posted 28 February 2003 - 10:49

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Iam a bit late on this but 1977 was a great year it A.J. first win L.P. became the last person to
qualify a ----B.R.M. . An don,t forget Conny Andersson he also tryed to get
them on the grid. and Toine uncle TEDDY.An Gilles Villeneuve had his first drive in a Ferrari
also the Kojima-Ford of K. Hoshino & N. Takahara in the last race never to be seen again.Then
there was Danny On the gas.in the Penske his 1 st drive .Followed by that famous Irish/Italian
Bruno Giacomelli ,speaking of Italian,s young Riccardo Patrese joined the ranks of 1st time GP
drivers an probley more i cant think of now.

Wait on there was David Purley .The frog contingent consisting of Patrick Tambay,an the start
of the worst era TURBO,S with J.P.Jaboullie in the Reggiemobile,s an last but not least it was
time for young Hector Rebaque to try his luck in the Hesketh in the Germany GP.

WHAT A YEAR YOU HAVE PICKED ONE OF THE BEST.

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Posted 28 February 2003 - 21:29

Originally posted by eldougo
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Iam a bit late on this but 1977 was a great year it A.J. first win L.P. became the last person to
qualify a ----B.R.M. . An don,t forget Conny Andersson he also tryed to get
them on the grid. and Toine uncle TEDDY.An Gilles Villeneuve had his first drive in a Ferrari
also the Kojima-Ford of K. Hoshino & N. Takahara in the last race never to be seen again.Then
there was Danny On the gas.in the Penske his 1 st drive .Followed by that famous Irish/Italian
Bruno Giacomelli ,speaking of Italian,s young Riccardo Patrese joined the ranks of 1st time GP
drivers an probley more i cant think of now.

Wait on there was David Purley .The frog contingent consisting of Patrick Tambay,an the start
of the worst era TURBO,S with J.P.Jaboullie in the Reggiemobile,s an last but not least it was
time for young Hector Rebaque to try his luck in the Hesketh in the Germany GP.

WHAT A YEAR YOU HAVE PICKED ONE OF THE BEST.

Here's Patrese ;) . We're trying to make this mod as accurate as possible but it's a tough job creating 3D models of the lesser known cars as there isn't a lot of reference material about for these. We'll try our best though!



more info here;
http://www.sbdt.co.u...8&t=6449&st=700

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Posted 28 February 2003 - 21:42

Well, well.

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Posted 28 February 2003 - 21:44

This just has to be posted too. Great work guys.

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Posted 31 March 2003 - 14:23

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Posted 18 April 2003 - 13:39

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Posted 18 April 2003 - 16:49

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Posted 18 April 2003 - 17:23

Originally posted by MCH
Here's Patrese ;)

Simply superb

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Posted 18 April 2003 - 17:35

Those are stunning

More so for being low poly.

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Posted 18 April 2003 - 23:43

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Posted 26 April 2003 - 22:00

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Posted 19 January 2006 - 14:10

Well, SimBin never released the 77-Mod (I don't know exactly why til today). And I was very very disappointed. But the other day I had a look at this 1975-F1-Mod - I mean just look at the screenshots (Nuerburgring Nordschleife!)!. It's just superb! And the Ford-Cosworth engine sound is awesome!

You need the Sim "F1 Challenge 99-02" by Electronic Arts and the Mod:

http://crew.speedgeezers.com







BTW: Of course I choose John Watson (as you can see above). So Wattie drove the Lotus 72 during the German GP 1975? IMO in all (?) the other GPs he drove for Surtees. What was the reason for this one race for Lotus? Was it no problem in the old days to have a go for another team in the middle of the Championship?

Lutz

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