I tried this in the book thread without success : , so I'll try an individual thread...
I have just seen this on Amazon...
"The Forgotten Races: The Non-championship Formula 1 Races 1966 to 1983"
Has anyone already purchased a copy?
Is it worth adding to my collection?
Thanks
Rob
Book: F1 non-Championship races
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Posted 05 June 2004 - 10:28
Originally posted by Rob Ryder
I have just seen this on Amazon...
"The Forgotten Races: The Non-championship Formula 1 Races 1966 to 1983"
Has anyone already purchased a copy?
Is it worth adding to my collection?
I hope to receive a copy soon. It may contain some of my photos...the first I have ever had published.
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Posted 05 June 2004 - 18:06
...............it's got some of mine in it too!!
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Posted 05 June 2004 - 18:19
Two TNFers involved 
!!
I'll place my order IMMEDIATELY
!!I'll place my order IMMEDIATELY
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Posted 05 June 2004 - 18:20
good boy!! (& I seem to think that there's at least one other involved too!)
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Posted 05 June 2004 - 19:09
On Amazon.fr, that's impossible to purchase it !!! 
Because of the currency, I can't pruchase it on Amazon.uk.
Is that book good ?
What about the pictures ? There are a lot of only a few ?
Because of the currency, I can't pruchase it on Amazon.uk.
Is that book good ?
What about the pictures ? There are a lot of only a few ?
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Posted 05 June 2004 - 19:20
Shame it starts in 1966. That excludes a lot of terrific races.
John
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Posted 05 June 2004 - 19:32
It's strange that none of the specialist bookseller's sites seem to list it. And the Amazon page doesn't list the author..
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Posted 05 June 2004 - 19:34
Seems not to be published now.
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Posted 05 June 2004 - 20:13
I've got a couple in there, too!
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Posted 05 June 2004 - 21:22
Originally posted by Roger Clark
It's strange that none of the specialist bookseller's sites seem to list it. And the Amazon page doesn't list the author..
I thought that, too. It's Chris Ellard
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Posted 06 June 2004 - 09:19
Thank you for the cue, David.
Let me introudce myself. I am Chris Ellard the author and one of the publishers of The Forgotten Races which is a forthcoming book.
With Don's permission perhaps I can provide some further commercial information.
The Forgotten Races covers the major non-championship F1 races of the three litre era. It is, essentially, a privately funded work which will be limited to probably around 500 copies. In style it uses Mike Lang's Grand Prix! series as a template so what you have, in essence, is a race-by-race account of the fifty-two non-championship events that took place between 1966 and 1983.
The book is a hardback, it runs to just over 200 A4 sized pages and includes a results section. There are some 175 pictures which are mainly B&W although these are supplemented by two colour sections with about 20 colour images. Hopefully the strength of the book will be in the photographs, many of which are previously unpublished. Although the main supliers such as LAT and Sutton's have provided some of the pictures we have ferreted out many from private collections. Amongst their number were, indeed, both David Beard and Barry Boor who very kindly gave their consent for the inclusion of images taken at Silverstone and Brands Hatch respectively. Thanks chaps.
Mike Hayward and Gary Critcher were also very helpful in throwing open their extensive picture archives and e-mailing me some wonderfully evocative images. Budget constraints meant we had to discard many which was a real shame. However Mike tells me he is making all of his available to a wider audience through his own website which is well worth a look.
Some of you have raised a question about the sketchy information that appears on Amazon. Let me just clear this one up. We never requested that the book appear on Amazon's website. It seems that when we applied for the ISBN (through Whitakers) Amazon picked it up. Whether they thought The Forgotten Races was book about some lost tribe in Papua New Guinea I cannot say but those who have pre-ordered, anticipating it might be, are going to be in for a surprise especially when they see the cover image ... Ronnie Peterson spinning backwards in a snowstorm!!
Amazon were informed a while back about two significant changes to (a) the price and (b) the date of publication. The cover price is £ 19.99 (and not £ 18.00 as currently stated) also the publication date is set for August (not April as currently stated). I can only apologise for this and as a gesture of goodwill will honour the price for those who have already pre-ordered through Amazon. I have demanded they make immediate changes to this effect. As I say this is a self-funded book and I cannot absorb any further losses on this. Sorry.
Advertisements will appear in the UK motoring press very soon and the book will be available either directly from myself (chrnev@ntlworld.com) or from Simon Lewis Transport Books. Many of you will, I am sure, already know Simon and have dealt with his wordwide mail order book business before. He will be able to deal with both UK and overseas orders smoothly and efficiently.
Many thanks, Don, for allowing me to clarify these points.
Chris Ellard
Let me introudce myself. I am Chris Ellard the author and one of the publishers of The Forgotten Races which is a forthcoming book.
With Don's permission perhaps I can provide some further commercial information.
The Forgotten Races covers the major non-championship F1 races of the three litre era. It is, essentially, a privately funded work which will be limited to probably around 500 copies. In style it uses Mike Lang's Grand Prix! series as a template so what you have, in essence, is a race-by-race account of the fifty-two non-championship events that took place between 1966 and 1983.
The book is a hardback, it runs to just over 200 A4 sized pages and includes a results section. There are some 175 pictures which are mainly B&W although these are supplemented by two colour sections with about 20 colour images. Hopefully the strength of the book will be in the photographs, many of which are previously unpublished. Although the main supliers such as LAT and Sutton's have provided some of the pictures we have ferreted out many from private collections. Amongst their number were, indeed, both David Beard and Barry Boor who very kindly gave their consent for the inclusion of images taken at Silverstone and Brands Hatch respectively. Thanks chaps.
Mike Hayward and Gary Critcher were also very helpful in throwing open their extensive picture archives and e-mailing me some wonderfully evocative images. Budget constraints meant we had to discard many which was a real shame. However Mike tells me he is making all of his available to a wider audience through his own website which is well worth a look.
Some of you have raised a question about the sketchy information that appears on Amazon. Let me just clear this one up. We never requested that the book appear on Amazon's website. It seems that when we applied for the ISBN (through Whitakers) Amazon picked it up. Whether they thought The Forgotten Races was book about some lost tribe in Papua New Guinea I cannot say but those who have pre-ordered, anticipating it might be, are going to be in for a surprise especially when they see the cover image ... Ronnie Peterson spinning backwards in a snowstorm!!
Amazon were informed a while back about two significant changes to (a) the price and (b) the date of publication. The cover price is £ 19.99 (and not £ 18.00 as currently stated) also the publication date is set for August (not April as currently stated). I can only apologise for this and as a gesture of goodwill will honour the price for those who have already pre-ordered through Amazon. I have demanded they make immediate changes to this effect. As I say this is a self-funded book and I cannot absorb any further losses on this. Sorry.
Advertisements will appear in the UK motoring press very soon and the book will be available either directly from myself (chrnev@ntlworld.com) or from Simon Lewis Transport Books. Many of you will, I am sure, already know Simon and have dealt with his wordwide mail order book business before. He will be able to deal with both UK and overseas orders smoothly and efficiently.
Many thanks, Don, for allowing me to clarify these points.
Chris Ellard
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Posted 06 June 2004 - 22:12
Chris was kind enough to send me a proof copy of the book and I heartily recommend it.
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Posted 07 June 2004 - 11:32
Hi all
My first post on this site, Chris Ellard, author of THE FORGOTTON RACES recommended it
(and a quick thanks the Chris for his kind words about me. )
Having seen the pre-production version of this book I must say, hand on heart, that I thoroughly enjoyed it , both as a history and a big nostalgea trip! It certainly takes you back to the days of shivvering at a sub-zero Silverstone, wondering just why you bothered, then forgetting all your woes at the sound of the first DFV being fired up in the pits for the morning warm up. Happy days!
Many of the photos are unusual and those showing the utterly dreadful weather conditions at the 1978 international trophy almost have you reaching for the brolly ! My god it really was tipping down and no mistake! I can't imagine for a moment that the race would have gone ahead in today's safty obsessed climate but then we have a different defination of "hero" these days....
Some of Chris comments are also quite pithy and "tell it like it is" which is always a good thing.
Best of luck with it Chris.
Simon Lewis
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My first post on this site, Chris Ellard, author of THE FORGOTTON RACES recommended it
(and a quick thanks the Chris for his kind words about me. )
Having seen the pre-production version of this book I must say, hand on heart, that I thoroughly enjoyed it , both as a history and a big nostalgea trip! It certainly takes you back to the days of shivvering at a sub-zero Silverstone, wondering just why you bothered, then forgetting all your woes at the sound of the first DFV being fired up in the pits for the morning warm up. Happy days!
Many of the photos are unusual and those showing the utterly dreadful weather conditions at the 1978 international trophy almost have you reaching for the brolly ! My god it really was tipping down and no mistake! I can't imagine for a moment that the race would have gone ahead in today's safty obsessed climate but then we have a different defination of "hero" these days....
Some of Chris comments are also quite pithy and "tell it like it is" which is always a good thing.
Best of luck with it Chris.
Simon Lewis
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Posted 07 June 2004 - 13:07
First, let me thank Simon for joining us. Delighted to have you here.
Second, also let me join with Simon by placing my hand over heart and saying just how great it is to not only finally have a book about these events, but a Good Book about these events. Chris has taken a great deal of time and effort to develop a book that does more than just offer up some information on the events. He sets the stage, tells the story, and then provides the data.
Should this book go well, perhaps we can convince Chris can fill in the blanks prior to 1966....
Also, keep in mind that Chris is doing this on his dime -- ah, 10 pennies. I admire anyone whose attempts such an undertaking in this day and age.
I had planned to shamelessly plug this book in an upcoming RVM and then in a companion thread here until Rob beat me to the punch. I recommend that you queue up for this book. It makes a nice gift for younger F1 fans to give them the "rest of the story."
Second, also let me join with Simon by placing my hand over heart and saying just how great it is to not only finally have a book about these events, but a Good Book about these events. Chris has taken a great deal of time and effort to develop a book that does more than just offer up some information on the events. He sets the stage, tells the story, and then provides the data.
Should this book go well, perhaps we can convince Chris can fill in the blanks prior to 1966....
Also, keep in mind that Chris is doing this on his dime -- ah, 10 pennies. I admire anyone whose attempts such an undertaking in this day and age.
I had planned to shamelessly plug this book in an upcoming RVM and then in a companion thread here until Rob beat me to the punch. I recommend that you queue up for this book. It makes a nice gift for younger F1 fans to give them the "rest of the story."
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Posted 07 June 2004 - 19:12
On your recommendation, Don, I made a pre-order with Chris on my copy. 
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Posted 07 June 2004 - 19:43
Yeh, I cancelled on Amazon and ordered direct from Chris.. 
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Posted 09 June 2004 - 19:01
Originally posted by simonlewisbooks
Hi all
Many of the photos are unusual and those showing the utterly dreadful weather conditions at the 1978 international trophy almost have you reaching for the brolly ! My god it really was tipping down and no mistake!
You are not kidding- I well remember getting soaked to the skin seeing all and sundry spinning into the catch fencing at Woodcote. The race was won by an unknown called Rosberg....
Welcome to TNF too for Simon Lewis. I've dealt with Simon occasionally over the years and can recommend him
regards
Paul Dishman
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Posted 10 June 2004 - 09:05
Does it include Aurora F1 ???
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Posted 10 June 2004 - 09:21
Originally posted by Mallory Dan
Does it include Aurora F1 ???
Dan
With all due respect, why on earth would it
But maybe it does...(hope not).
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Posted 10 June 2004 - 10:50
Dan ,
The book does not include the Aurora F1 series.
Sorry.
Chris
The book does not include the Aurora F1 series.
Sorry.
Chris
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Posted 10 June 2004 - 11:05
Chris/MCS, thanks for replies, I'll have to write one myself then won't I !
I do think there must be a book worth writing on UK F5000 to Aurora, 1969-80. Perhaps there's an ex-Journo out there who could help me (MCS????)
DR
I do think there must be a book worth writing on UK F5000 to Aurora, 1969-80. Perhaps there's an ex-Journo out there who could help me (MCS????)
DR
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Posted 10 June 2004 - 11:40
The concept of Ronnie Peterson being from "a forgotten race" is not that difficult to believe. He was certainly from a "breed apart" - especially compared to the current generation of F1 drivers.
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Posted 10 June 2004 - 11:44
There actually is a new book out just last month "F5000 in Europe 1969-75 Race by Race". It's by German author Wolfgang Klopfer(written in English I hasten to add) and is a 250+ page softback priced at £16.95. It has a lot of oddball photos such as Clive Baker's March, Dave Millen's Begg and Brian Robinson's coverted McLaren M19
Like Chris's book it's an example of a passionate enthusiast writing and publishing something he cares about off his own bat. I think at present the F5000 book (to which I contributed some of the photos) isn't available through the usual sources but can be obtained either from Wolfgang himself Germany or from me in Britain.
He also wrote a companion volume "Formula A and 5000 In America- Race by Race" which is just about to come out in a second edition with more photos.
That does leave a gaping hole for a book on the Aurora-Shellsport Group 8 era 1976-80, and you could extend that to the rather thinly contested 1982 F1 series won by Jim Crawford in an Ensign (remember 4 cars on the grid at Oulton...?) that would complete the story.
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Like Chris's book it's an example of a passionate enthusiast writing and publishing something he cares about off his own bat. I think at present the F5000 book (to which I contributed some of the photos) isn't available through the usual sources but can be obtained either from Wolfgang himself Germany or from me in Britain.
He also wrote a companion volume "Formula A and 5000 In America- Race by Race" which is just about to come out in a second edition with more photos.
That does leave a gaping hole for a book on the Aurora-Shellsport Group 8 era 1976-80, and you could extend that to the rather thinly contested 1982 F1 series won by Jim Crawford in an Ensign (remember 4 cars on the grid at Oulton...?) that would complete the story.
Simon Lewis
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Posted 10 June 2004 - 11:58
Simon, thanks for reply re the Klopfer book, I may well order through you, whats your phone no? I'm not aware of any of Wolfgang's previous stuff, is he/the book any good ???
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Posted 10 June 2004 - 12:20
Originally posted by simonlewisbooks
It has a lot of oddball photos such as ... Dave Millen's Begg
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Posted 10 June 2004 - 12:21
Dave Millen??? That would be David Oxton.
Anyway, I bought Wolfgang's US book direct from him. Very good format, 1 page summary per race, with a page/page-and-a-half summary per season. Pics would make it better, none in the first edition.
This (aswell as Allen's site!) filled a lot of gaps for races not covered by the UK press at the time.
Anyway, I bought Wolfgang's US book direct from him. Very good format, 1 page summary per race, with a page/page-and-a-half summary per season. Pics would make it better, none in the first edition.
This (aswell as Allen's site!) filled a lot of gaps for races not covered by the UK press at the time.
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Posted 10 June 2004 - 12:48
Sorry got my Millen's and my Oxton's mixed up there (dangers of quoting from memory without looking at the book!)
And to answer Dan's question, yes he writes very well. The book is succinct and to the point (as space limitations permit) so it's not a magnum opus as Doug Nye might produce but it certainly captures the era very well.
The type of paper used means the photos are not reproduced to the quality of more mainstream books and many are amateur to start with so you have to make allowences. This is self funded after all and art paper and photos from major archives cost, big-time. But it's a damn good book for all of those with fond memories of thundering Chevy powered single seaters.
Regarding the F5000 American book, here's the details I recieved last week -
2nd edition 211 pages, 167 b&w pictures to be published "in about a month"
Simon Lewis
Transport Books
tel 01594 839369
And to answer Dan's question, yes he writes very well. The book is succinct and to the point (as space limitations permit) so it's not a magnum opus as Doug Nye might produce but it certainly captures the era very well.
The type of paper used means the photos are not reproduced to the quality of more mainstream books and many are amateur to start with so you have to make allowences. This is self funded after all and art paper and photos from major archives cost, big-time. But it's a damn good book for all of those with fond memories of thundering Chevy powered single seaters.
Regarding the F5000 American book, here's the details I recieved last week -
2nd edition 211 pages, 167 b&w pictures to be published "in about a month"
Simon Lewis
Transport Books
tel 01594 839369
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Posted 20 August 2004 - 13:36
I've just had an email from Chris.. his book will be published on 31st August.
The UK price will be £19.99 plus £ 5.65 and will be available from..
W3 Publications
P.O.Box 246
Tadworth
Surrey
KT20 5YZ
Details here http://www.forgottenraces.com
I have already sent my cheque 
Rob
The UK price will be £19.99 plus £ 5.65 and will be available from..
W3 Publications
P.O.Box 246
Tadworth
Surrey
KT20 5YZ
Details here http://www.forgottenraces.com
I have already sent my cheque
Rob
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Any pictures of Pedro's win at Oulton Park 1971 in the book?
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Posted 20 August 2004 - 15:10
Originally posted by Pedro917
I am not sure, maybe Chris will jump back into this thread and answer...
So that you are not disappointed here is one of my Pedro pics just for you ;)
1971 International Trophy
Rob
Any pictures of Pedro's win at Oulton Park 1971 in the book?
I am not sure, maybe Chris will jump back into this thread and answer...
So that you are not disappointed here is one of my Pedro pics just for you ;)
1971 International Trophy
Rob
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Posted 20 August 2004 - 15:38
Will anybody have copies at Goodwood?
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Chris replied and there are plenty of Pedro pics in it, thanks! I'll order a copy too
Thanks Rob! Great shot, I always like to see pictures I haven't seen before.
Thanks Rob! Great shot, I always like to see pictures I haven't seen before.
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Posted 20 August 2004 - 17:06
BTW and speaking of pictures, lovely picture that of Chris Amon "sampling the sponsor products".
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Posted 11 September 2004 - 13:36
My copy has just arrived...and on first inspection I'm delighted with it!
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Hear, hear! Mine dropped into my mailbox yesterday..
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I hope you find it as interesting and useful as I have -- I was just reading my "pre-production" copy this morning and very happy to have it on the shelf. Thank you, Chris!
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I received my copy on Saturday and was pleased I could contribute two of my photographs to such a well researched and interesting book.
David
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Just home from Malta! My book was waiting for me. Many thanks, Chris, and well done!
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Still waiting for mine, but hope it will be any day now...
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It was waiting for me when I got home yesterday! 
Looks excellent, I am sure it will be just as enjoyable to read. Thanks to Chris and Simon.
Looks excellent, I am sure it will be just as enjoyable to read. Thanks to Chris and Simon.
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Well I have just put my order in for a copy of the book ... so it should be on its way soon. 
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Hi Quintin, just to say the FORGOTTEN RACES book is already packed and will be in the mail at about 4.30 British time tonight. Thanks for your order.
Simon Lewis Transport Books
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Simon Lewis Transport Books
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Posted 20 September 2004 - 17:22
I've just ordered my copy
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Maybe a dumb question but out of interest how many books are or have been published of forgotten races
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According to the author, only about 500.Originally posted by quintin cloud
Maybe a dumb question but out of interest how many books are or have been published of forgotten races
Originally posted by CNE
The Forgotten Races covers the major non-championship F1 races of the three litre era. It is, essentially, a privately funded work which will be limited to probably around 500 copies.
Chris Ellard
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Posted 21 September 2004 - 12:32
Geza, I think Quintin wondered how many different titles which cover 'forgotten races' have been published, as opposed to the number of copies of Chris's book will be printed.
Twinny
(I've got mine! )
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Twin Window No Geza has answered my question.
No Geza has answered my question.
