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#1 Kvadrat

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Posted 17 January 2005 - 09:55

There's footage of two racing events in 1934 Austin 7 feature in Motorfilms Quarterly Volume 1 DVD.

I identified the second one as 1933 Autumn Shelsley Walsh hillclimb on September 30 according to Hans Etzrod's Hill Climb Winners List, because the same scene for number 7 car appears in British Pathe film from October 2, 1933, but from different angle.

Here's Motorfilms Quarterly grab:
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And here's link at British Pathe's still:
http://www.britishpa... walsh&frame=27

The first event is at Brooklands. I think it's also in 1933. Please, help to identify the race.

Here are three pictures with start and number 5 and 6 Austins at banking.

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Source and copyright - Motorfilms Quarterly.

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#2 humphries

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Posted 17 January 2005 - 14:00

The race is the BRDC 500 held at Brooklands on 16 September, 1933.

In the first frame #4 is the "works" Austin, entered by Sir Herbert Austin K.B.E, down to be driven by Pat Driscoll and C.B.Bickell, a famous motorcyclist looking forward to his first race! As it happened the car was an early retirement.
#5 is another works Austin of George Duller and Charles Goodacre which retired with engine problems after Duller had pushed the car, well over a mile, to the pits to change plugs. Goodacre did not get to drive.
Also in the frame is the #12 MG Magna "L" of Alan Hess, the entrant, and Tommy Wisdom. This car retired with a split radiator.
#16 is the suitably streamlined "Magic Midget" of George Eyston, who was to be partnered by Albert Denley, but the car lost its magic magneto and retired when well in the lead of this handicap race.

In the second frame is the #9 Midget of Stan Hailwood and Harry Attwood, the fathers of two very famous racing drivers. Unfortunately they were the first posted retirement, Hailwood at the wheel, after just 10 laps.
Also to be seen is another Hess entered Magna #15 of Charlie Martin and Lewis Welch which survived to finish second behind Eddie Hall who won single-handedly in his MG K3 Magnette; reputedly a tough customer Mr Hall.
Winding itself up and baring its teeth is "Red Mongrel", #16, the famous Riley 9 of Freddie Dixon. His co-driver was Chris staniland. They too looked certain winners, after Eyston stopped, when they also retired (piston).

In the remaining frame are two of the jade-green, works "Dutch Clog", or "Rubber Duck" if you prefer, Austins. They are screeching, somewhat briefly, round the banking. In #6 is Donald Barnes; Brian Twist didn't get to drive as the car was an early retirement (clutch). The Austins had an embarrassingly bad day and none of the co-drivers got to race.

John

#3 Kvadrat

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 02:21

Thank you, John.

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Posted 17 February 2005 - 04:52

Here's quote from Crasherama forum:

Posted by Catwalk.Imp

At the 11th of March 1933 the Newspapers already reported the Death of Paul Pietsch... :

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Actually Pietsch had a bad Accident...but it wasn't fatal...he again only suffered some minor Injuries...
The Crash happened at a swedish Icerace...I believe on the Hjämarsea near Örebro...


What's the race?

#5 Vitesse2

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Posted 17 February 2005 - 15:59

Vladimir: I think this is a confusion of two different events.

Pietsch actually won the 1933 Svenska Isloppet, which was run at Hjalmaren on March 5th - a sprint of just 32.31 miles. Two weeks before, on February 23rd, Sheldon has him as a DNA in the much more important Sveriges Vinter Grand Prix at Ramen. From the look of the picture, perhaps he was not DNA, but DNS due to a practice crash!

Could one of our Swedish friends translate?

#6 conjohn

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Posted 17 February 2005 - 19:09

Originally posted by Vitesse2
Could one of our Swedish friends translate?

Top left: "German Rämen sensation, Pietsch somersaults and spoils the vehicle." Archaic Swedish... 'spolierar'.
Top right: "Pietsch & Co. show German sportmanship."
Picture caption: "Pietsch's Alfa Romeo after the disaster."
Bottom: "Tragedy for German Pietsch. The Alfa racer broken in pieces."

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Posted 17 February 2005 - 22:06

:up:

Which begs the question: did Pietsch manage to repair the car in time for the next race, or did he borrow P-V Widengren's? Widengren wasn't at Hjalmaren, having won at Rämen.

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Posted 28 April 2005 - 08:42

There are some interesting pictures in Getty Images archive for 1933.

http://editorial.get...d=3347949&cdi=0

Caption: 5th July 1933: George Soudars, winner of the 15th Annual Auto Classic on the Indianapolis Motor Speedway in his winning Deusenberg Special.

What's "Annual Auto Classic on the Indianapolis Motor Speedway"?


http://editorial.get...d=3250128&cdi=0

Caption: 15th March 1933: The Crossley 10 taking part in the RAC 1,000 mile rally, passing Edinburgh Castle.

http://editorial.get...d=3249971&cdi=0

Caption: 15th March 1933: The Crossley 10 taking part in the RAC 1,000 mile rally.

http://editorial.get...d=3347955&cdi=0

Caption: 18th March 1933: Racing car driver Kitty Brunell celebrates with her crew after winning the RAC motor rally in Hastings, Kent.

Was it the same event? Can anyone provide more information on it?

#9 Tomas Karlsson

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Posted 28 April 2005 - 14:00

Which begs the question: did Pietsch manage to repair the car in time for the next race, or did he borrow P-V Widengren's? Widengren wasn't at Hjalmaren, having won at Rämen.


The Pietsch car wasn't a complete wreck as the newspapers said, but they couldn't repair it in time for the start at Rämen. But for the race at Hjälmaren it was fit for fight again. I haven't found any proof, but I assume Pietsch got some help from the Swedish Alfa-driver in getting the car back on it's tyres.

#10 Kvadrat

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Posted 14 October 2005 - 08:32

Please help me with 1933 JCC International Trophy race. I can't find it in the Internet.

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Posted 14 October 2005 - 09:02

Originally posted by Kvadrat
Please help me with 1933 JCC International Trophy race. I can't find it in the Internet.

F.Libre handicap
1st B.E.Lewis Alfa Romeo 88.07mph
2nd E.R.Hall MG
3rd Mrs E.R(Elsie)Wisdom MG

#12 David McKinney

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Posted 14 October 2005 - 09:21

http://www.brookland.../Race2/33it.htm
The trick is to search for International Trophy without the JCC (or even J.C.C. )

#13 Kvadrat

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Posted 14 October 2005 - 09:47

SORRY, I'm looking for correct date. Sorry!

#14 Criceto

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Posted 14 October 2005 - 13:08

May 6 1933

#15 Kvadrat

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Posted 18 October 2005 - 07:26

Thank you.

There's picture in Hugh Hamilton article from MG Magazine. I mean smaller one in which he's beside his car and Louis Chiron (according caption). Car has number 84. Garages on the background are from Nurburgring. So the race is 1932 German Grand Prix or 1932 Eifelrennen. I think the picture was taken in 1933 (every journalist tries to publish fresh photos). Can anyone confirm number 84 for Hamilton's MG?

#16 Kvadrat

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Posted 21 October 2005 - 02:17

Plwase help with Southport 100-mile race date.

#17 David McKinney

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Posted 21 October 2005 - 05:04

12 August

#18 Kvadrat

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Posted 21 October 2005 - 05:21

...and another beach race next day (la Baule). Thank you.

By the way different sources give different dates for la Baule race: August 13 or 17. Which is correct?

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Posted 21 October 2005 - 09:52

Without looking at a calendar, I would suspect that August 12 was a Saturday, the usual day for sports events in Britain, making the 13th a Sunday, the usual day in continental Europe.

Unlike August 15th, the 17th is not a major 'Saint's day' which might be a public holiday.

So on this reasoning I suggest the 13th.

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Posted 21 October 2005 - 21:29

Yes the 13th. the Times reported Williams winning from Lehoux

#21 Kvadrat

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Posted 24 October 2005 - 03:16

Thank you.

I'd like to remind you this question.

Originally posted by Kvadrat
There are some interesting pictures in Getty Images archive for 1933.

http://editorial.get...d=3347949&cdi=0

Caption: 5th July 1933: George Soudars, winner of the 15th Annual Auto Classic on the Indianapolis Motor Speedway in his winning Deusenberg Special.

What's "Annual Auto Classic on the Indianapolis Motor Speedway"?


It's very interesting if Indianapolis had races other than well known 500 Miles.