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The BRM P160

Started by Gary C , Aug 31 2005 08:02

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#1 Gary C

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Posted 31 August 2005 - 08:02

Lads, can anyone tell me how many of these cars were built & if they are are accounted for? Thanks in advance....

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#2 Rob Ryder

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Posted 31 August 2005 - 13:38

I have 10 chassis in by database.. Allen Brown is the man for current locations :up:

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#3 HEROS

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Posted 31 August 2005 - 13:53

Try this link, it's a beginning of an answer :

http://members.madas...on/brm-P160.htm

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#4 David M. Kane

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Posted 31 August 2005 - 14:25

I was behind 09 at the USGP in 2002 when he "popped" a fuel line. It was surreal, next thing I knew he was rolling on the ground and they were spraying him with a fire bottle. Fortunately the damage to the driver and the car were minimal, but it sure got my attention. I thought I was in the midst of a very realistic video game, I just couldn't accept it was really happening a few feet from me. The only reason I didn't pull off the track was because it was so obvious the marshals had the situation so instantly under control. Unfortunately, I doubt we'll ever see them in action again at a GP in this town as the rage in this town has not toned down one bit for good reason thanks to the undiminished arrogance of the F1 Circus.

The P160 is my favorite car. I think eveything about it is stunning. You can't imagine the sounds that come out of that V12 when you are behind it!

I strongly suggest that F1 comes back here until they pop this anger balloon. I don't think they have the humility to do that.

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#5 HEROS

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Posted 31 August 2005 - 14:32

Another very interesting link made by Allen Brown :

http://www.oldracing...asp?TypeID=P160

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#6 Gary C

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Posted 31 August 2005 - 21:55

thanks for the info lads

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#7 Doug Nye

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Posted 15 October 2005 - 13:37

Seeking somewhere to provide update info for the GPL simulator people on car set-ups as previously discussed here on TNF, but as I have been singularly unsuccessful in locating on the search file. I once offered a mass of set-up date for the BRM P160 cars, but the only gearing info I could provide consisted of the team's in-house codings - e.g. ratio F for 1st, J for 2nd, M for 3rd, Q for 4th and U for 5th.

I have just happened upon a key for the gears used, and if it's of any interest to anybody here's what the code letters indicated.

Argentine GP 1972 -

1st ratio F = 17 teeth against 38 teeth = 86mph at 10,500rpm.
2nd J = 20-35 = 110mph
3rd M = 22-34 = 124mph
4th Q = 23-31 = 143mph
5th U = 26-30 = 166mph.

Brands Hatch Race of Champions 1972 -

1st F - 86mph
2nd I = 19-35 = 104mph
3rd N = 22-33 = 128mph
4th Q - 143mph
5th T = 25-30 = 160mph

Riverside (yes - Riverside) 1972

1st F = 86mph
2nd J = 110mph
3rd P = 23-32 = 138mph
4th T = 160mph
5th X = 27-28 = 185mph

Monaco GP 1972

1st B = 13-42 = 60mph
2nd D = 15-40 = 72mph
3rd G = 18-37 = 93mph
4th K = 20-33 = 116mph
5th P = 23-32 = 138mph

Belgian GP 1972

1st E = 16-39 = 79mph
2nd J = 110mph
3rd P = 138mph
4th U = 166mph
5th X = 185mph

(Nivelles is listed as an alternative venue, different gearing)

German GP Nurburgring

1st F = 86mph
2nd I = 19-35 = 104mph
3rd M = 22-34 = 124mph
4th R = 24-31 = 149mph
5th V = 26-29 = 172mph

Italian GP, Monza

1st F = 86mph
2nd J = 110mph
3rd O = 23-33 = 133mph
4th T = 25-30 = 160mph
5th X = 185mph

DCN

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#8 MCS

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Posted 15 October 2005 - 13:43

Originally posted by Doug Nye
Riverside (yes - Riverside) 1972

So who and what was involved at Riverside then, Doug?

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#9 Doug Nye

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Posted 15 October 2005 - 13:51

Largely only talk of the US GP being run there, I believe...

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#10 MCS

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Posted 15 October 2005 - 13:55

Originally posted by Doug Nye
Largely only talk of the US GP being run there, I believe...

Okay. I wondered if they'd tested there.

Thanks Doug :up:

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#11 Doug Nye

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Posted 15 October 2005 - 13:58

I've got a feeling they may have done - BRM certainly tested at Willow Springs, of all places...

DCN

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#12 David M. Kane

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Posted 15 October 2005 - 15:11

Actually a lot of teams have tested there over the years because, I believe, of Dan Gurney. It is in fact about an hour, two at the most from AAR in Santa Ana. I remember Michael Andretti and Nigel Mansell testing there in Champ cars. It is also America's oldest road course. It has a fair amount of variety and I think a fun track to drive...you just don't want to leave the track because it "moon rock" that is particularly unkind to Formula cars. The last corner (turn 14?) entering the front straight is particularly challenging and it will make you reach for your "Acorns".

Ken Miles and Shelby use to test there a lot too according to John Collins a former Shelby/Miles wrench.

Willow Springs is near Rosamond (Edwards Air Force Base) where the Stealth Fighter was developed and about 15 miles from the "Skunk Works" where a lot aircraft R and D is and has been conducted. Yes, it is remote, that is how the Stealth Fighter was kept secret for 30 years before it fought in anger.

The California Correction System also has a major prison in the area.

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#13 Cirrus

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Posted 15 October 2005 - 17:32

The P160 is my favorite car. I think eveything about it is stunning. You can't imagine the sounds that come out of that V12 when you are behind it!

I know it's not a P160, but having been lapped in my F4 by Bobby Bell in his P153, yes - in the direct firing line of the exhausts, the sounds are, indeed, stunning!

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#14 Huw Jadvantich

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Posted 16 October 2005 - 13:07

I agree, the one of the best looking and sounding F1 cars ever, especially in Yardley colours, and driven by some of the most characterful drivers too. Shame they lacked reliability, and just think what BRM could have done to the car with the Marlboro budget if they hadn't insisted on trying to fill the grid with their cars in 1972.

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#15 Huw Jadvantich

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Posted 18 October 2005 - 12:01

Does anyone make a decent model of the P160?

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#16 Macca

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Posted 18 October 2005 - 12:59

I don't think there's a diecast, but there are kits and built-ups at Grand Prix Models.

http://www.grandprix...&t=None&c=

Paul M

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#17 simonlewisbooks

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Posted 19 October 2005 - 09:19

Originally posted by Huw Jadvantich
I agree, the one of the best looking and sounding F1 cars ever,

True on both counts.
And when you think of how utterly different the BRM V12 sounds from the Matra V12 of the same vintage - and how exactly the damn same all the V10s have sounded in recent years (except for the one year McLaren managed to make the V10 Mercedes sound like a 12...).
The growly-barky BRM sounds such a hairy-chested engine,a lot like the bigger V12 Ferraris of the era while the Matra is shrill and very modern by comparison. Both wonderful to hear....Ahhh .....variety, and how we miss it!

I wonder if anyone has a recording of the 1972-3 Techno F1 engine for further comparison ?

Simon Lewis
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#18 BRM MICK

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Posted 19 October 2005 - 17:54

There are a few diecast models in different scales made in the 1970's they are all very basic and poor examples.
There is a 1/24th Plastic kit again same vintage but it is a copy of the Polistil diecast version even has the roller skate wheels!!

In whitemetal there are a few sadly none are still being made

John Day never seen one probably basic

SRC very good as are all their kits

Hi- Fi 160E " so so" bit too large for 1/43 scale

SMTS have listed a car for at least two years as imminent ?????????

Grand Prix Models still list SRC and SMTS versions but not in stock

Mick :wave:

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#19 Twin Window

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Posted 19 October 2005 - 18:21

Originally posted by simonlewisbooks

The growly-barky BRM sounds such a hairy-chested engine,a lot like the bigger V12 Ferraris of the era while the Matra is shrill and very modern by comparison. Both wonderful to hear....Ahhh .....variety, and how we miss it!

I wonder if anyone has a recording of the 1972-3 Techno F1 engine for further comparison ?

The BRM and the Matra V12s are both fantastic engines to listen to, and the Tecno & Ferrari flat 12s too. As you say, Simon, the variety was great back then...

I took a portable recorder to the 1973 British GP and got some lovely sounds from the Woodcote grandstands during practice. One segment was particularly pleasing, as I'd captured Lauda's P160 - uninterrupted by other cars - all the way through the chicane-less Woodcote on to blipping down the 'box for Copse!

For 'motivational' reasons, my tapes got played every so often in the Autosport offices, but sadly they disappeared from my possession decades ago.

However, a friend and ex-colleague thinks he might have one of them somewhere in his loft. It would be great if he found it! I'm pretty sure the Tecno's on there too, along with most if not all the entry...

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#20 David Lawson

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Posted 20 October 2005 - 07:14

This is the BRM I built from the SRC kit, I agree with BRM Mick that the SRC range are superb.

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Another 160 available is the Scalextric slot car from the 1970s, it is a reasonable representation and can be greatly improved by detail painting. Obviously it is long out of production but they are very easy to find for a few pounds at toy fairs and Scalextric swapmeets.

David

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#21 Twin Window

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Posted 20 October 2005 - 07:19

Whooaaaah! Beautiful job, David! :love:

Hey, Mick; you've got competition matey! You'd best get your pics up here!

The criticism I have of the SRC kit are the slightly out-of-scale wheels & tyres. I'm sure that if it were a modern kit, this would be addressed.

With so many BRM enthusiasts out here, you'd have thought there'd be more models - die cast & kits - available, wouldn't you?!

The most under-modelled marque? I should say so...

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#22 simonlewisbooks

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Posted 20 October 2005 - 09:17

Originally posted by Twin Window

For 'motivational' reasons, my tapes got played every so often in the Autosport offices, but sadly they disappeared from my possession decades ago.

However, a friend and ex-colleague thinks he might have one of them somewhere in his loft. It would be great if he found it! I'm pretty sure the Tecno's on there too, along with most if not all the entry...

Twiny, if you do manage to locate them any chance you could upload a digital version onto the web somewhere and we could all have a listen?

I think I have a nice sound clip from the 71 International trophy of Pedro leading the mixed F1/F5000 field through Woodcote . Only an amateur recording but is sure takes you back in time! Similarly there's another clip of Willie Green in the JCB Ferrari 512 leading (among others) Ganley in the BRM Can Am car at Silverstone in 72 during wet practice.

I'll see if I can work out how to stick these on the web for downloading (any advice on how to do that anyone...?).

Simon Lewis
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#23 Wolf

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Posted 20 October 2005 - 09:49

Simon, if You have them in digital form and they're no bigger than 25MB, I'm willing to put them on webspace I got from my ISP...

If You have them on tape, I think You'll have to plug the magnetophone in Your sound-card (mic jack) and use a program like CoolEdit or GoldWawe to convert it from huge 'raw' file to more space-friendly format (lie wav or mp3). And then You could E-mail them to me, for hosting.

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#24 simonlewisbooks

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Posted 20 October 2005 - 10:11

Thanks Wolf, I'll sort them out and let you know.

Simon Lewis
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#25 BRM MICK

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Posted 20 October 2005 - 21:18

not bad twinny!!!

I have posted some of my 160's on other posts. Just search on 160 you will find Motul versons as well . I'll post some Marlboro versions soon

heres one to be getting on with !

Modified SRC kit , as used by Jo Siffert during qualifying at the 1971 British Grand Prix.

Twinny please note replacement rear tyres !!! the kit originals supplied look like they come off a dragster!!

Mick ;)

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#26 BRM MICK

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Posted 31 October 2005 - 21:23

Marlboro versions

Schuco 1/12th scale ( some new decals) and a Entex 1/24th scale plastic kit which I have heavily modified. anyone who knows the Polistil diecast 160 of which the kit is a direct copy will see the differences straight away

Modified SRC kits Nurburgring (no airbox) Rothamns 50000 both ganley plus standard kit as Monaco winner

Hi-Fi 160E Lauda British GP ,Regazzoni German GP both with added details modified additional decals

Mick

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#27 BRM MICK

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Posted 23 March 2006 - 19:10

Monza 1971

I have just finished the three cars as raced by

Peter Gethin

Howden Ganley

Jo Siffert

I have also posted some pictures on the VIc Elford thread of Vic's 160 from Germany 1971

Mick :wave:

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#28 Twin Window

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 22:00

This is the P160E of J-P Beltoise during the early stages - pre-scrutineering, I think - of the 1973 British GP.

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And this is the bit of that very oil cooler shroud I still have (as oppposed to the complete bodywork panels I once owned) which is facing us in the pic.

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(It was part of the general debris following the first lap shunt, Belters having been rear-ended by the de Adamich BT42 in the ensuing carnage after Scheckter lost it...)

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#29 Pedro 917

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 22:59

It's been a while since I last used my FTP software so I got rusty. Hope the link works.
This is a video I made during the Historic GP at Zolder 2004. It's +/- 4.10 Mb. You can see and hear the BRM P160 of Nick Rini :

BRM P160 Zolder 2004