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See Red practice day

Started by Mark Ballard , Sep 02 2005 18:37

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#1 Mark Ballard

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Posted 02 September 2005 - 18:37

With the SeeRed meeting at Donington tomorrow, I thought I should post some pics from the practice day today

Mark

#2 petefenelon

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Posted 02 September 2005 - 19:24

All good shots, thanks - especially the 962!

#3 Frank S

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Posted 02 September 2005 - 22:18

Very nice. Thank you.

Now, if I could just have a similar-scale and -angle shot of each driver without a helmet, and a few minutes with Photo Shop...

Oh, yes: and just a few minutes loose on the track in any one of those.

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#4 Rob Silver Speed

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Posted 02 September 2005 - 22:44

Went to this event last year, really good to see and hear all the historics and more modern cars, the ex-prost or alesi/berger car is so loud it literally hurts without any ear protrection - silly me :blush:

#5 Barrie Hobkirk

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Posted 03 September 2005 - 19:23

Mark,
Beautiful photographs. May we have some more 250F's?
Thanks.
Cheers,
Barrie Hobkirk, Vancouver, CANADA

#6 Mark Ballard

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Posted 03 September 2005 - 23:21

Here are a few from today- Will sort more out soon. Sunday is Maserati Race Day!

#7 David McKinney

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Posted 04 September 2005 - 03:45

What a sight to wake up to (2527) :eek:

I'm devastated that I'm unable to be there :down:

#8 Barrie Hobkirk

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Posted 04 September 2005 - 05:07

Thank you Mark. Super photography.
Please keep them coming.
A pleasure for David and I who unfortunately, were not able to attend.
Cheers,
Barrie

#9 Barrie Hobkirk

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Posted 04 September 2005 - 06:20

For those of you wanting to keep track, Mark has so far photographed 15 - 250F engined cars.
They are;
32 - 2528
148 - 2527
178 - Tec-Mec
206 - 2507/23/22
217 - 2508
219 - 2507
238 - CM-7
269 - 2532
282 - 2531 V-12
- - CM-8
plus un-numbered 2515, 2516, 2520, 2529 and CM-4 in the line-ups.

Cheers,
Barrie

#10 Macca

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Posted 05 September 2005 - 14:26

I thought I'd counted 17 in my pictures - I'll cross-check..................

Superb event, lots of other Masers, Group C's a bit thin on Sunday after casualties on Saturday,
BUT I was able to meet Stuart Forrest and discuss the famous cover question...........

Paul M

#11 Barrie Hobkirk

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Posted 05 September 2005 - 17:24

Macca,

These are the cars I see.

Mark's first post.

Picture one, 2531 and 2529 behind.
Picture two, CM-8.
Picture three, 2532.
Picture four, Tec-Mec following.

Mark's second post.

Sideways picture one, 2528, 2529, 2531, 2520, 2516, and CM-4 off to the right.
Sideways picture two, 2507, 2508, 2515, 2528, 2529, 2531, 2520, 2516, and CM-4 off to the right.
Picture three, 2508 and Tec-Mec following.
Picture four, 2527 crashed.
Picture five, CM-7 and 2507/23/22 following.
Picture six, 2507.
Picture seven, 2531.

Fifteen total, so far. Have I missed two?

Cheers,
Barrie

#12 Macca

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Posted 05 September 2005 - 17:36

Actually 17 - CM1, 2, and 5 were there too.

CM1

CM2

CM5

or do I mean 18? and I have a note that CM9 was there too.... :confused:

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#13 Barrie Hobkirk

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Posted 05 September 2005 - 18:01

Macca,
Nice pictures, and yes, now we have 18. Agreed.
CM-9 could easily have been there, perhaps displayed compliments of the Maserati Club?
Thanks for those.
Any sign of David Bennett's sky blue Interim 250F?
I also see that there was an entry for Holland's Alexander van der Lof. Did you see any sign of that car? No.208.
Cheers,
Barrie

#14 Mark Ballard

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Posted 05 September 2005 - 23:57

was in the Maserati pavillion along with a Birdcage, a 150S, an 8C, a replica V4 and a 26M (which I think used to be the Appleton Special)

I don't think David Bennett's was there and neither was the "Streamliner"

#15 Barrie Hobkirk

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Posted 06 September 2005 - 01:14

Mark,

Very much appreciated.
Wow, were up to 19. Not a bad collection.

I may be pushing my luck here but could either yourself or Macca post (if available) individual pictures of the remaining cars, some of which showed up in the two line-up shots?
Those with numbers would be 2520-#228, 2516-#237, 2507/23/22-#206, 2528-#32 and Tec-Mec-#178.
Those perhaps without numbers would be 2529, 2515 and CM-4.

Thanks guys. It means a lot to David and I.

Cheers,
Barrie

#16 Macca

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Posted 06 September 2005 - 13:09

Oh yes, that was where I saw CM9 - I just forgot to snap it! :blush:

HOW many pictures? You don't want much then?

Here we are:

2515 & 2516

2520

2507/22/23

2528

2529

CM4 (and an interloping D50)

Tec-Mec

Next? The Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Wildebeest sweeping across the Serengeti? :lol:

Paul M

#17 Mark Ballard

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Posted 06 September 2005 - 14:25

Next? The Hanging Gardens of Babylon
http://en.wikipedia...._of_Babylon.jpg

Wildebeest sweeping across the Serengeti?
http://www.africagui...brary/jz004.jpg

:lol:

Paul M [/B][/QUOTE]

#18 Macca

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Posted 06 September 2005 - 14:43

What about Sydney Opera House? Or the view from a Torquay hotel window?

:rotfl:

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#19 Barrie Hobkirk

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Posted 06 September 2005 - 14:51

The high-tail Scuderia Centro-Sud chassis 2519, post-March 1959 would be just fine.

Really, thanks Macca. You are a gentleman.

Cheers,
Barrie

#20 Macca

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Posted 06 September 2005 - 15:34

http://website.lineo...r/bschermas.JPG

Best I can do.........................

Paul M

#21 Paul Medici

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Posted 06 September 2005 - 17:26

Mark and Macca,
My thanks as well, great photos of one of my all-time favorite GP cars; and to Barrie for adding an identity for each of these wonderful racing machines.
Maybe next year......
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#22 Macca

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Posted 07 September 2005 - 10:56

No problem, guys - I sometimes forget how lucky I am to live here and be able to go to events like this, and to the Goodwood Festival and Revival every year.

While I was at Donington, I drove round to the Sunday market area to do a couple of laps of the Melbourne Loop...........now I knew that new tarmac had been laid at the top of the hill, but I was disappointed to find that the actual old Melbourne Hairpin had disappeared under an area of tarmac and that all that's left of the pre-war circuit are the short straights up and down the hill, also resurfaced.

When did this happen? Did nobody protest at the time? I appreciate that the Sunday market is part of the commercial operation that keeps Donington open for events like See Red, but I'd have thought they could have been a bit more sensitive.

Anyway, here is a shot of an Auto-Union climbing the hill on a hot lap..........

Paul M

#23 Macca

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Posted 09 September 2005 - 15:44

2531 on track - not very sharp, I'm afraid.

http://www.artun.ee/...g...0f v12).jpg

and Jeannot at Monza in 1957 for comparison.

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#24 Barrie Hobkirk

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Posted 11 September 2005 - 01:46

I would again like to thank Mark and Macca for managing to photograph every 250F at the the See Red event at Donington.
It takes a real enthusiast and a sharp eye to track them all down.
I would also like to congratulate you both on your knowledge of chassis numbers. I know not every car has a glaring chassis plate on the instrument panel declaring the vehicle you are inspecting. Even I find it difficult at times with the likes of quickly telling 2516 apart from its CM-1 and CM-4 clones.
Thanks for your efforts, both of you.
Cheers,
Barrie

#25 David McKinney

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Posted 11 September 2005 - 04:35

It is possible at least one of them had expert guidance before the meeting ;)
Also, I believe the programme listed the numbers, and each car in the display marquee had an identifying plaque.
Which of course is not to say that I, too, very much appreciate the provision of the pictures :up:

#26 Macca

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Posted 12 September 2005 - 12:09

Well, I don't know about expert guidance....................but the cars in the display marquee did indeed have an information board above them - only I didn't include the boards in my pictures, and not all the cars were in the marquee because of going out to practise, and while most had either race numbers or c/n plates, not all of them did.

However there was a complete c/n + history + current owners list in the programme, so I was able to match owners from the race entry list (apart from a couple that weren't driven by the owners).............and then I had to note down which shot on the camera was of which car if the number wasn't visible.

All good fun anyway, and great to see so many cars - just sorry I didn't photograph all the 300Ss, 4CLTs, etc. as well.

Paul M

#27 Patrick Fletcher

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Posted 12 September 2005 - 12:31

Originally posted by Macca
Well, I don't know about expert guidance....................but the cars in the display marquee did indeed have an information board above them - only I didn't include the boards in my pictures,
Paul M

A few years ago - 96/97 there was a 250F replica CM? doing the rounds of the classic summer series in NZ ............. the information board stated that the car was a true reproduction of one of the greatest Formula One cars ever constructed ........ and there on the board for all to see ..... engine capacity 3000cc !

#28 David McKinney

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Posted 12 September 2005 - 16:17

Fair enough - at least two 250Fs raced with 3-litre engines in 1956/57

#29 Patrick Fletcher

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Posted 13 September 2005 - 09:46

May be for the future we should refer to the cars you mention as Maserati 300Fs?
Just to keep the number of rebuilds to one hand.

#30 Macca

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Posted 13 September 2005 - 16:36

I remeber at about the second Goodwood Festival seeing a trade stand with a part-built replica Maserati 300s - maybe they shared the source of this new(-ish) engine. There are a lot of 'newbuild' 250F engines in circulation, I believe, (obviously to save the risk of race damage to the historic originals!) and possibly 300s engines as well for all I know.

Going back to See Red, there were a couple of absentees that have been seen a lot in UK racing in recent years - a red 250F with a thin yellow/blue noseband which David Pennell used to race, and the first of the 'off-centre' cars, the 1956 Italian GP winner, that Murray Smith drove at Goodwood a couple of times. Are they abroad now?

Paul M

#31 Barrie Hobkirk

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Posted 13 September 2005 - 17:07

The ex-David Pennell car was, at last report, residing in Spain. The first of the 'off-centre' cars was, at last report, residing in the USA.

Interesting to see seven CM cars at the event. I'm sure if CM were still here, he would have seen to it that another had come in from Scotland. If the van der Lof car had arrived, we may well have seen all but 3 of his creations. We can forgive the three for they are literally half way around the world.

Another interesting item is how many times 2527 has had major tail/tank damage.
I count 4.
1 - 30 Mar 1959 Goodwood - Ken Kavanugh - collision with barrier
2 - 13 Sep 1969 Thruxton - Patrick Lindsay - collision with Armco - 10 years later
3 - 21 May 1995 Donington - Peter Hannen - tank explosion - 26 years later
4 - 3 Sep 2005 Donington - Peter Neumark - rear-ended - 10 years later

Cheers,
Barrie