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#1 RAP

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Posted 03 September 2005 - 19:41

I beleive that international 1 km speed trials were held in Geneva in the mid-1920s. The only thing I know was that Rene Thomas won the 1924 event with a 12cyl Delage. Hans Etrodt's excellent work on hill climbs does not, of course, cover such "flat races". Can anyone provide more information on dates, results and the venue?
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#2 David McKinney

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Posted 03 September 2005 - 20:07

Usually took place at Eau Morte (or Eaumorte) around March. Perhaps an Easter date

#3 David McKinney

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Posted 04 September 2005 - 04:15

I’m unsure of the protocol of posting twice in succession, but on the other hand no-one else seems to have wanted to respond...
The venue for the Geneva kilometre was Eaumorte in the early years, but by 1931 - and possibly before - had switched to Grand-Sacconex
I make no claim to the accuracy of the following list, as it has been compiled from a variety of sources, many unsupported.

1923 18/03
Delage 5.1 (René Thomas)
1924 16/03
Delage 10.5 (René Thomas)
1925
Delage 10.5 (Albert Divo)
1926
Mercedes 24/100 (Otto Merz)
1927
event apparently held, but nothing known
1928 19/03
Austro-Daimler (Hans Stuck?)
1929 17/03
Mercedes-Benz SSK (Adolf Rosenberger)
1930
nothing known
1931 08/03
Bugatti 35B (Hans Stuber)
1932 13/03
Bugatti T51 (Hans Stuber)
1933 12/03
Bugatti T51 (Hans Stuber)
1934 18/03
Maserati 8CM (Hans Ruesch)
1935
Maserati 8CM (Hans Ruesch)

#4 Vitesse2

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Posted 04 September 2005 - 10:48

Info in red is from the results section of Stuck/Burggaller.

Originally posted by David McKinney
I’m unsure of the protocol of posting twice in succession, but on the other hand no-one else seems to have wanted to respond...
The venue for the Geneva kilometre was Eaumorte in the early years, but by 1931 - and possibly before - had switched to Grand-Sacconex
I make no claim to the accuracy of the following list, as it has been compiled from a variety of sources, many unsupported.

1923 18/03
Delage 5.1 (René Thomas) 21.3"
Touring cars: M Malardier (2.5 Slim) 31.9"

1924 16/03
Delage 10.5 (René Thomas) 17.69"
Touring cars: A Schmid (3.0 Alfa Romeo) 31.35"
Sports cars: M Alfter (2.0 Bugatti) 30.4"

1925 22/03
Delage 10.7 (Albert Divo) 18.0"
Touring cars: A Goy (3.0 Cottin-Desgouttes) 30.0"
Sports cars: Ch Ortmann (4.8 Panhard-L) 23.2"

1926 13/04
Merz won both the touring and sports car classes, with times of 24.7" and 24.5" respectively. The racing car class was won by H Kracht in a 1994cc Bugatti in a time of 21.6"
1927 06/03
event apparently held, but nothing known Not any more!
Racing cars: Martin (1.1 Amilcar) 21.6"
Touring cars: Hürlimann (6.2 Mercedes K) 25.1"
Sports cars: Delmar (4.3 Steyr) 22.5"

1928 18/03
Austro-Daimler (Hans Stuck?) Neither, apparently!
Racing cars: (two classes) Martin (1.1 Amilcar) 20.03" and Heusser (2.3 Bugatti) 19.74"
Touring cars: Büttikofer (4.4 Martini) 30"
Sports cars: (two classes) von Wentzel-Mosau (6.8 Mercedes) 21" and Freuler (4.9 Steyr) 23"
Round about here things get confused! Until 1928 this was a flying kilometre, but there were two further events at Eaux-Mortes, both employing standing starts. That may mean that the reference to Stuck above and all your subsequent results may refer to Grand-Sacconex? (But see below re St Moritz.)
For 1929, on the same date as you have:
Racing cars: Strittmatter (1988cc Bugatti) 31.9"
Touring cars: R Duval (4.1 Chrysler) 41.1"
Sports cars: Escher (2941cc Bugatti) 34.4"
For 1930, on 23/03:
Racing cars: Stuber (1922cc Bugatti) 29.5"
Touring cars: Zwimpfer (4.4 Chrysler) 41.3"
Sports cars: Escher (1992cc Bugatti) 32.7"

Rosenberger did win a flying kilometre at St Moritz in August 1929, but not apparently in an SSK. Chiron won the same event in 1930.

1929 17/03
Mercedes-Benz SSK (Adolf Rosenberger)
1930
nothing known



#5 Hans Etzrodt

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Posted 04 September 2005 - 11:15

1903, May 18	Eaux-Mortes (w. of Geneva), 1st – (1 km? f/s)			 CH	?	?			   			90 km/h	?

1904, ?			 Eaux-Mortes (w. of Geneva), 2nd – (2 x 1 km f/s)	CH	?	?			   		   115 km/h	?

1911, Oct 29	Eaux-Mortes (w. of Geneva), 3rd – (1 km? f/s)			 CH	Nigg,			 Fiat		   145 km/h	?

1914, Apr 26	Eaux-Mortes (w. of Geneva), 4th – (1 km? s/s)			 CH	?	?	?	?

1923, Mar 18	Eaux-Mortes (w. of Geneva), 5th – (2 x 1 km f/s?)	CH	Thomas, René	Delage  5,100 cc	21.30s	R

1924, Mar 16	Eaux-Mortes (w. of Geneva), 6th – (2 x 1 km f/s?)	CH	Thomas, René	Delage 10,690 cc	17.69s	R

1925, Mar 22	Eaux-Mortes (w. of Geneva), 7th – (2 x 1 km f/s)	CH	Divo, Albert	Delage 10,692 cc	18.30s	R

1926, Jun 13	Eaux-Mortes (w. of Geneva), 8th – (2 x 1 km f/s)	CH	Kracht, Hans	Bugatti 1,994 cc	21.60s	R

1927, Mar  6	Eaux-Mortes (w. of Geneva), 9th – (2 x 1 km f/s)	CH	Martin, Charles	Amilcar 1,097 cc	21.60s	R

1927, Mar  7	Eaux-Mortes (w. of Geneva), record (2 x 1 km f/s)	CH	Benoist, Robert	Delage 10,687 cc	17.20s	R

1928, Mar 18	Eaux-Mortes (w. of Geneva), 10th – (2 x 1 km f/s)	CH	Martin, Charles	Amilcar 1,097 cc	20.03s	R

1928, Mar 18	Eaux-Mortes, National (Geneva), – (2 x 1 km f/s)	CH	Heusser, Huldreich	Bugatti T35B	19.74s	R

1929, Mar 17	Eaux-Mortes (Geneva),	   11th – (2 x 1 km? s/s)	CH	Strittmatter,	Bugatti 1,988 cc	31.90s	R

1930, Mar 23	Eaux-Mortes (Geneva),	   12th – (2 x 1 km? s/s)	CH	Stuber, Hans	Bugatti T35C	29.50s	R
Source: AUTOMOBIL-REVUE (Bern)

#6 David McKinney

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Posted 04 September 2005 - 11:41

Thanks for the additions, chaps
I didn't regard St Moritz as equating with Geneva :cool:

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Posted 04 September 2005 - 13:36

Thanks very much indeed everyone. Clearly a longer running and more important event than I had realisec. TNF does it again !!

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#8 Hans Etzrodt

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Posted 04 September 2005 - 17:19

Originally posted by David McKinney
...The venue for the Geneva kilometre was Eaumorte in the early years, but by 1931 - and possibly before - had switched to Grand-Sacconex...

Grand-Sacconex was a 1 km hill climb. The height difference was 47.42 m with a maximum gradient of 5.7% (or 1 in 17.54 for islanders north of 'The Channel';) ). It consisted of one run in the uphill direction with a standing start (except once in 1935), while Eaux-Mortes was a pure speed trial and run in both directions (2 x 1 km).

The Grand-Sacconex hill climbs can be found on the list 'Hill Climb Winners 1897-1949' - just click on my signature below.

#9 David McKinney

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Posted 04 September 2005 - 18:18

Thanks for the clarification, Hans
Despite the gradient, however, wasn't the course a straight line?

#10 Hans Etzrodt

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Posted 04 September 2005 - 18:52

Yes - as straight as the Gaillon course, David.

#11 Hans Etzrodt

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Posted 04 September 2005 - 19:20

Originally posted by David McKinney
...I didn't regard St Moritz as equating with Geneva :cool:

Besides St. Moritz, the Swiss had other speed trials, like for example the flying Kilometer over the Urner Boden at the Klausenrennen (=Klausen hill climb). Eaux-Mortes was popular because it was part of the Swiss Championship until 1929. Switzerland was the first European country to stage a national championship in 1926. The Americans had theirs long before, btw.

#12 David McKinney

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Posted 04 September 2005 - 20:36

Quid pro quo:
1903: G Perrot (24hp Rochet-Schneider)
1904: Charles Dufaux (Dufaux)

#13 Hans Etzrodt

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Posted 05 September 2005 - 00:20

searched & found: additions in red

Note the time for standing start in 1914 versus 1911 f/s!
1911, Oct 29	Eaux-Mortes (w. of Geneva), 3rd – (1 km? f/s)	CH	Nigg,					  Fiat					  [b][color=red]24.4s	R[/color][/b]

1914, Apr 26	Eaux-Mortes (w. of Geneva), 4th – (1 km? s/s)	CH	[b][color=red]Hoffer, Ch. 			 Hispano-Suiza 2.5-liter	46.4s	R?[/color][/b]

1929, Mar 17	Eaux-Mortes (Geneva), 11th – (2 x 1 km? s/s)	CH	Strittmatter, [b][color=red]Jules[/color][/b]	Bugatti 1,988 cc			 31.90s	R