Geneva Speed Trials 1920s
#1
Posted 03 September 2005 - 19:41
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#2
Posted 03 September 2005 - 20:07
#3
Posted 04 September 2005 - 04:15
The venue for the Geneva kilometre was Eaumorte in the early years, but by 1931 - and possibly before - had switched to Grand-Sacconex
I make no claim to the accuracy of the following list, as it has been compiled from a variety of sources, many unsupported.
1923 18/03
Delage 5.1 (René Thomas)
1924 16/03
Delage 10.5 (René Thomas)
1925
Delage 10.5 (Albert Divo)
1926
Mercedes 24/100 (Otto Merz)
1927
event apparently held, but nothing known
1928 19/03
Austro-Daimler (Hans Stuck?)
1929 17/03
Mercedes-Benz SSK (Adolf Rosenberger)
1930
nothing known
1931 08/03
Bugatti 35B (Hans Stuber)
1932 13/03
Bugatti T51 (Hans Stuber)
1933 12/03
Bugatti T51 (Hans Stuber)
1934 18/03
Maserati 8CM (Hans Ruesch)
1935
Maserati 8CM (Hans Ruesch)
#4
Posted 04 September 2005 - 10:48
Originally posted by David McKinney
I’m unsure of the protocol of posting twice in succession, but on the other hand no-one else seems to have wanted to respond...
The venue for the Geneva kilometre was Eaumorte in the early years, but by 1931 - and possibly before - had switched to Grand-Sacconex
I make no claim to the accuracy of the following list, as it has been compiled from a variety of sources, many unsupported.
1923 18/03
Delage 5.1 (René Thomas) 21.3"
Touring cars: M Malardier (2.5 Slim) 31.9"
1924 16/03
Delage 10.5 (René Thomas) 17.69"
Touring cars: A Schmid (3.0 Alfa Romeo) 31.35"
Sports cars: M Alfter (2.0 Bugatti) 30.4"
1925 22/03
Delage 10.7 (Albert Divo) 18.0"
Touring cars: A Goy (3.0 Cottin-Desgouttes) 30.0"
Sports cars: Ch Ortmann (4.8 Panhard-L) 23.2"
1926 13/04
Merz won both the touring and sports car classes, with times of 24.7" and 24.5" respectively. The racing car class was won by H Kracht in a 1994cc Bugatti in a time of 21.6"
1927 06/03
event apparently held, but nothing known Not any more!
Racing cars: Martin (1.1 Amilcar) 21.6"
Touring cars: Hürlimann (6.2 Mercedes K) 25.1"
Sports cars: Delmar (4.3 Steyr) 22.5"
1928 18/03
Austro-Daimler (Hans Stuck?) Neither, apparently!
Racing cars: (two classes) Martin (1.1 Amilcar) 20.03" and Heusser (2.3 Bugatti) 19.74"
Touring cars: Büttikofer (4.4 Martini) 30"
Sports cars: (two classes) von Wentzel-Mosau (6.8 Mercedes) 21" and Freuler (4.9 Steyr) 23"
Round about here things get confused! Until 1928 this was a flying kilometre, but there were two further events at Eaux-Mortes, both employing standing starts. That may mean that the reference to Stuck above and all your subsequent results may refer to Grand-Sacconex? (But see below re St Moritz.)
For 1929, on the same date as you have:
Racing cars: Strittmatter (1988cc Bugatti) 31.9"
Touring cars: R Duval (4.1 Chrysler) 41.1"
Sports cars: Escher (2941cc Bugatti) 34.4"
For 1930, on 23/03:
Racing cars: Stuber (1922cc Bugatti) 29.5"
Touring cars: Zwimpfer (4.4 Chrysler) 41.3"
Sports cars: Escher (1992cc Bugatti) 32.7"
Rosenberger did win a flying kilometre at St Moritz in August 1929, but not apparently in an SSK. Chiron won the same event in 1930.
1929 17/03
Mercedes-Benz SSK (Adolf Rosenberger)
1930
nothing known
#5
Posted 04 September 2005 - 11:15
1903, May 18 Eaux-Mortes (w. of Geneva), 1st – (1 km? f/s) CH ? ? 90 km/h ? 1904, ? Eaux-Mortes (w. of Geneva), 2nd – (2 x 1 km f/s) CH ? ? 115 km/h ? 1911, Oct 29 Eaux-Mortes (w. of Geneva), 3rd – (1 km? f/s) CH Nigg, Fiat 145 km/h ? 1914, Apr 26 Eaux-Mortes (w. of Geneva), 4th – (1 km? s/s) CH ? ? ? ? 1923, Mar 18 Eaux-Mortes (w. of Geneva), 5th – (2 x 1 km f/s?) CH Thomas, René Delage 5,100 cc 21.30s R 1924, Mar 16 Eaux-Mortes (w. of Geneva), 6th – (2 x 1 km f/s?) CH Thomas, René Delage 10,690 cc 17.69s R 1925, Mar 22 Eaux-Mortes (w. of Geneva), 7th – (2 x 1 km f/s) CH Divo, Albert Delage 10,692 cc 18.30s R 1926, Jun 13 Eaux-Mortes (w. of Geneva), 8th – (2 x 1 km f/s) CH Kracht, Hans Bugatti 1,994 cc 21.60s R 1927, Mar 6 Eaux-Mortes (w. of Geneva), 9th – (2 x 1 km f/s) CH Martin, Charles Amilcar 1,097 cc 21.60s R 1927, Mar 7 Eaux-Mortes (w. of Geneva), record (2 x 1 km f/s) CH Benoist, Robert Delage 10,687 cc 17.20s R 1928, Mar 18 Eaux-Mortes (w. of Geneva), 10th – (2 x 1 km f/s) CH Martin, Charles Amilcar 1,097 cc 20.03s R 1928, Mar 18 Eaux-Mortes, National (Geneva), – (2 x 1 km f/s) CH Heusser, Huldreich Bugatti T35B 19.74s R 1929, Mar 17 Eaux-Mortes (Geneva), 11th – (2 x 1 km? s/s) CH Strittmatter, Bugatti 1,988 cc 31.90s R 1930, Mar 23 Eaux-Mortes (Geneva), 12th – (2 x 1 km? s/s) CH Stuber, Hans Bugatti T35C 29.50s RSource: AUTOMOBIL-REVUE (Bern)
#6
Posted 04 September 2005 - 11:41
I didn't regard St Moritz as equating with Geneva
#7
Posted 04 September 2005 - 13:36
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#8
Posted 04 September 2005 - 17:19
Grand-Sacconex was a 1 km hill climb. The height difference was 47.42 m with a maximum gradient of 5.7% (or 1 in 17.54 for islanders north of 'The Channel';) ). It consisted of one run in the uphill direction with a standing start (except once in 1935), while Eaux-Mortes was a pure speed trial and run in both directions (2 x 1 km).Originally posted by David McKinney
...The venue for the Geneva kilometre was Eaumorte in the early years, but by 1931 - and possibly before - had switched to Grand-Sacconex...
The Grand-Sacconex hill climbs can be found on the list 'Hill Climb Winners 1897-1949' - just click on my signature below.
#9
Posted 04 September 2005 - 18:18
Despite the gradient, however, wasn't the course a straight line?
#10
Posted 04 September 2005 - 18:52
#11
Posted 04 September 2005 - 19:20
Besides St. Moritz, the Swiss had other speed trials, like for example the flying Kilometer over the Urner Boden at the Klausenrennen (=Klausen hill climb). Eaux-Mortes was popular because it was part of the Swiss Championship until 1929. Switzerland was the first European country to stage a national championship in 1926. The Americans had theirs long before, btw.Originally posted by David McKinney
...I didn't regard St Moritz as equating with Geneva
#12
Posted 04 September 2005 - 20:36
1903: G Perrot (24hp Rochet-Schneider)
1904: Charles Dufaux (Dufaux)
#13
Posted 05 September 2005 - 00:20
Note the time for standing start in 1914 versus 1911 f/s!
1911, Oct 29 Eaux-Mortes (w. of Geneva), 3rd – (1 km? f/s) CH Nigg, Fiat [b][color=red]24.4s R[/color][/b] 1914, Apr 26 Eaux-Mortes (w. of Geneva), 4th – (1 km? s/s) CH [b][color=red]Hoffer, Ch. Hispano-Suiza 2.5-liter 46.4s R?[/color][/b] 1929, Mar 17 Eaux-Mortes (Geneva), 11th – (2 x 1 km? s/s) CH Strittmatter, [b][color=red]Jules[/color][/b] Bugatti 1,988 cc 31.90s R