Who was the first to wear a cap...?
#1
Posted 05 September 2005 - 17:02
The cap...!!
As much as a racing/sponsor thing I can think of. But of course, I only know the beginning of the nineties and as far as I know, they all had caps back then. But I reckon this has not always been the case...
I was discussing this with my GP-watch-friend during the Monza GP, and we wondered when they were introduced? I said I knew the place for an answer...
Where did the cap in racing come from? Was it only sponsor-place? And who was the first to start wearing them?
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#2
Posted 05 September 2005 - 17:32
#3
Posted 05 September 2005 - 17:40
Originally posted by jorism
I think Graham Hill was one of the first who had a cap with the distinctive rowing stripes from his helmet on it. I think I saw photos of this starting from 1972?
Interesting. By your post I conclude that there was no sponsor on it? Maybe I am ahead of things.... But could it be that caps started as caps, i.a.w. self-promotion, before the big sponsors saw the benifits of it?
#5
Posted 05 September 2005 - 18:14
In the absence of any other definite candidate for a sponsored hat: Niki Lauda's been wearing that Parmalat one since about 1974 I think.
I think the first serious personal sponsors were Marlboro: there were drivers in non-Marlboro-sponsored teams who wore their logos - Andrea de Adamich sported a Marlboro stetson, but I'm not sure when that arrived.
Marlboro caps at BRM and/or McLaren perhaps? 1970-72 ish?
#6
Posted 05 September 2005 - 18:26
You know, the kind of cap the driver would wear backward and wear goggles with it.
Do you have a specific name for those nostalgia/old school caps in english?
I don't know what you call in french the deerstalker cap/hat
Pedro917, you must know?
#7
Posted 05 September 2005 - 18:36
Thinking about it, the Renault team at the 1907 GP de l'ACF wore matching flat caps, which had a small badge (possibly a Renault logo?) at the front.
#8
Posted 05 September 2005 - 18:39
Lauda's Parmalat cap deal was brokered after his 1976 accident, I think you'll find, and the deal at the time was USD 1m for 'life'. Regarding the Marlboro stetson-wearer, do you mean Arturo Merzario? I remember my former colleague Ian Phillips (who was always close to Marlboro, plus did a lot of work for them) telling me in the early 1980s that he thought it was hilarious that Merzario still wore the hat and carried the Marlboro logos on his cars, because they'd stopped paying him in 1977! And he still wears one...Originally posted by Vitesse2
In the absence of any other definite candidate for a sponsored hat: Niki Lauda's been wearing that Parmalat one since about 1974 I think.
I think the first serious personal sponsors were Marlboro: there were drivers in non-Marlboro-sponsored teams who wore their logos - Andrea de Adamich sported a Marlboro stetson, but I'm not sure when that arrived.
My gut feeling is that the first logo-bearing cap (as we now know them-ish) would have had something to do with JYS. So possibly Goodyear, circa 1972/3, and only used on the podium.
#9
Posted 05 September 2005 - 18:48
Yes, I did mean Merzario. Brain fade ....Originally posted by Twin Window
Lauda's Parmalat cap deal was brokered after his 1976 accident, I think you'll find, and the deal at the time was USD 1m for 'life'. Regarding the Marlboro stetson-wearer, do you mean Arturo Merzario? I remember my former colleague Ian Phillips (who was always close to Marlboro, plus did a lot of work for them) telling me in the early 1980s that he thought it was hilarious that Merzario still wore the hat and carried the Marlboro logos on his cars, because they'd stopped paying him in 1977! And he still wears one...
My gut feeling is that the first logo-bearing cap (as we now know them-ish) would have had something to do with JYS. So possibly Goodyear, circa 1972/3, and only used on the podium.
Nah, not Jackie. He used to wear that rather strange corduroy item which looked like he'd nicked it off a barge captain - see page 12 of the 1972 JPS Yearbook for example. A pal of mine used to call it his Dutch cap ....
#10
Posted 05 September 2005 - 18:56
#11
Posted 05 September 2005 - 19:04
Yep, I know the one you mean; he wore it for the last five-odd seasons of his career as his 'trade mark' headwear. I had one!Originally posted by Vitesse2
Nah, not Jackie. He used to wear that rather strange corduroy item which looked like he'd nicked it off a barge captain...
But, on the podia, he donned a Goodyear cap - definitely in 1973, and possibly in 1972 also.
#12
Posted 05 September 2005 - 19:07
Any advance on June 17th 1973?
In the same book there's a picture of Emerson Fittipaldi, Peter Revson and Jack Oliver waiting to find out who'd won the Canadian GP. Emerson's bareheaded but Jack's wearing a UOP hat and Peter has one with an undistinguishable logo (probably Goodyear again).
#13
Posted 05 September 2005 - 19:16
Yeah; Stewart & Cevert - both wearing Goodyear caps - on the podium at Watkins Glen, October 8th 1972 (p63, Motor Racing Year 1973 Edition).Originally posted by Vitesse2
Any advance on June 17th 1973?
#14
Posted 05 September 2005 - 19:19
Polish speedway rider Tomasz Gollob has two big sponsor's, when interviewed on TV, one of his mechanics stands just out of picture, ready to help him change his cap at half time of the TV exposure.
No doubt, in the future we will see F1-drivers with 8-10 caps in front of them on the desk, at the press conference after a race.
Stefan
#15
Posted 05 September 2005 - 19:23
Isn't there a scene on a 1970s video - maybe 'If you're not winning, you're not trying' - where Chapman has a go at a bloke for trying to swap his driver's cap for another 'brand'?
#16
Posted 05 September 2005 - 19:29
#17
Posted 05 September 2005 - 19:54
I have a black JPS baseball cap that I bought at the Glen in the early-mid-70s. I would say the trend easily started in the early '70s.
#18
Posted 05 September 2005 - 20:16
and he did it even in his Bugatti back in 1927
You're in the Nostalgie Forum ;)
#19
Posted 05 September 2005 - 20:20
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#20
Posted 05 September 2005 - 20:25
Originally posted by Twin Window
Yes, Hugo, but it's not quite the type of sponsors cap Shiftin was asking about...
No it's reverse and you cann't read the sponsor
#21
Posted 05 September 2005 - 20:26
DCN
#22
Posted 05 September 2005 - 20:54
#23
Posted 05 September 2005 - 21:31
I don't know what you call in french the deerstalker cap/hat Pedro917, you must know?
I'm sorry Antoine, I really don't know. I always refered to it as my "casquette Sherlock Holmes"
The Harrap's dictionnary says "chapeau de chasse (à la Sherlock Holmes)"
#24
Posted 06 September 2005 - 00:49
ISTR seeing a video describing team/sponsor-employed "cap guys" who deliberately position themselves just behind the winner as (s)he's being interviewed after the race, and face downwards, to ensure maximum exposure for the sponsor's logo on their cap. [Obviously, this occurs during an on-the-ground, just-stepped-out-of-the-car type interview, not the sitting0-behind-a-desk "press conference" type interviews we see in F1 today]Originally posted by Twin Window
Actually, Stefan, that's something that's already happened in F1 back in the 1970s! And in CART too, especially at the Indy 500. Not quite that many caps, mind...
Isn't there a scene on a 1970s video - maybe 'If you're not winning, you're not trying' - where Chapman has a go at a bloke for trying to swap his driver's cap for another 'brand'?
#25
Posted 06 September 2005 - 01:45
Originally posted by Pedro 917
Originally posted by Pils:
I don't know what you call in french the deerstalker cap/hat Pedro917, you must know?
I'm sorry Antoine, I really don't know. I always refered to it as my "casquette Sherlock Holmes"
The Harrap's dictionnary says "chapeau de chasse (à la Sherlock Holmes)"
I think you gentlemen are referring to a "flat 'at" also known in some circles as a cheese cutter.
And yes, I know what a bloody deerstalker is but I think this is what they really mean
#26
Posted 06 September 2005 - 07:17
#27
Posted 06 September 2005 - 07:47
So I guess this doesn't count !
#28
Posted 06 September 2005 - 07:51
#29
Posted 07 September 2005 - 19:18
Originally posted by Pedro 917
Originally posted by Pils:
I don't know what you call in french the deerstalker cap/hat Pedro917, you must know?
I'm sorry Antoine, I really don't know. I always refered to it as my "casquette Sherlock Holmes"
The Harrap's dictionnary says "chapeau de chasse (à la Sherlock Holmes)"
Yeap, same here with mine... Just wondering if there was a specific name for it in french:)
#30
Posted 07 September 2005 - 19:20
Originally posted by David Birchall
I think you gentlemen are referring to a "flat 'at" also known in some circles as a cheese cutter.
And yes, I know what a bloody deerstalker is but I think this is what they really mean
Ok, thanks everyone for the cheese cutter cap question:)