Whilst watching the coverage of the A1GP at Brands Hatch today, it struck me that there were a few World Champions there. I spotted John Surtees, Emerson Fittipaldi & Nelson Piquet. was there any more? Perhaps Nike Lauda was there as it was his son driving the Austrian entry? Anyone?
How many F1 World Champions at Brands A1GP?
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Gary C
, Sep 24 2005 15:16
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jorism
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Posted 24 September 2005 - 15:50
Niki runs the Austrian A1GP team indeed, together with Keke Rosberg. I've no idea why Rosberg runs the Austrian team. Alan Jones runs the Australian team.
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Posted 24 September 2005 - 16:44
Only those beginning with the 1981 season have been "F1 World Champions," making Piquet the first in this series thanks to JM Balestre.
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Posted 24 September 2005 - 17:21
I don't think I used the phrase 'F1' in my original post??
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Scribe06
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Posted 24 September 2005 - 18:21
Check the title of the thread....
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Gary C
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Posted 24 September 2005 - 21:04
hmmm, I'd better be a bit more careful then..................
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Posted 24 September 2005 - 23:15
Some things change their name, but they remain the same...Originally posted by Scribe06
Only those beginning with the 1981 season have been "F1 World Champions," making Piquet the first in this series thanks to JM Balestre.
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Posted 24 September 2005 - 23:55
Originally posted by Gary C
Perhaps Nike Lauda
I think you've got 'Nike' on the brain...
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Posted 26 September 2005 - 13:37
Niki was in Brazil, he commentates on RTL for the F1.
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Arjan de Roos
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Posted 26 September 2005 - 13:56
Originally posted by Gary C
I don't think I used the phrase 'F1' in my original post??
OK. Jan Lammers WC FIA WSC 2002 & 2003. Lammers is the manager of the dutch team.
I missed the Surtees arrow on the UK car...
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Posted 26 September 2005 - 16:52
I suspect that there was a 3rd F1 Champion at Brands watching the progress of his son in yesterday's racing....
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Posted 26 September 2005 - 21:06
one I hadn't counted before was Alan Jones.
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Posted 27 September 2005 - 09:57
Oh, OK then..Emilio de Villota (Formula Palmer Audi).
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Posted 27 September 2005 - 11:36
Originally posted by Roger Clark
Some things change their name, but they remain the same...
After some thought, I have to say that although this statement seems to make sense in some ways, the name change may have signified anything but "more of the same." Many here and elsewhere, if not most, apparently wish to cling to some romantic notion that the events of 1979 through 1981 or 1982 really didn't really "mean anything" and that things, the championship in particular, just rolled on as before, the the "Some things change their name, but they remain the same..." school of thought, there is perhaps sufficient reason to question this assumption. Moreover, it is perhaps as much a matter of perception than anything else. However, this is not the time or place, I would imagine, for such a discussion.
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Posted 27 September 2005 - 13:00
I know. It's the singer, not the songOriginally posted by Scribe06
After some thought, I have to say that although this statement seems to make sense in some ways, the name change may have signified anything but "more of the same." Many here and elsewhere, if not most, apparently wish to cling to some romantic notion that the events of 1979 through 1981 or 1982 really didn't really "mean anything" and that things, the championship in particular, just rolled on as before, the the "Some things change their name, but they remain the same..." school of thought, there is perhaps sufficient reason to question this assumption. Moreover, it is perhaps as much a matter of perception than anything else. However, this is not the time or place, I would imagine, for such a discussion.
i would never doubt the significance of the events of the early eighties, but I still think that Alonso is the latest in a tradition that stretches back to Farina and beyond.
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Posted 27 September 2005 - 13:20
Tradition always beats reality in cases such as this, so whatever might be said to the contrary is wasted effort. However, accepting the lineage of Farina to Alonso is matter of convenience and easily accepted as a matter of course. As it is often noted in things such as this, being right is usually irrelevant. I bow to tradition and will instruct Winston Smith to have the record so changed as to reflect this.
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Posted 27 September 2005 - 20:08
Originally posted by bill moffat
Oh, OK then..Emilio de Villota (Formula Palmer Audi).
Got it
Good one Bill
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Posted 28 September 2005 - 03:27
> How many F1 World Champions at Brands A1GP?
None! Both Michael Schumacher (who was F1 World Champion for most of the day) and Fernando Alonso (who assumed the title at about 4pm [Brazilian time]) were both in Brazil.
If you want to talk about former F1 World Champions, well, that's a different story ;)
To question my own statement, did Fernando actually become F1 World Champion as soon as he crossed the finish line in Brazil? Or is there some formality to be completed first? Or does he not actually assume the role until January 1 next year?
None! Both Michael Schumacher (who was F1 World Champion for most of the day) and Fernando Alonso (who assumed the title at about 4pm [Brazilian time]) were both in Brazil.
If you want to talk about former F1 World Champions, well, that's a different story ;)
To question my own statement, did Fernando actually become F1 World Champion as soon as he crossed the finish line in Brazil? Or is there some formality to be completed first? Or does he not actually assume the role until January 1 next year?
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Posted 28 September 2005 - 04:38
champion elect isn't he?
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Posted 28 September 2005 - 06:27
I'd assumed that you couldn't actually be champion until all the races had been done and dusted; there is still, surely, time left in which to commit some offence for which one might be excluded from the championship... ? That's regardless of any official crowning ceremony, FIA dinners or whatever.
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Posted 28 September 2005 - 08:37
Originally posted by David Hyland
> How many F1 World Champions at Brands A1GP?
None! Both Michael Schumacher (who was F1 World Champion for most of the day) and Fernando Alonso (who assumed the title at about 4pm [Brazilian time]) were both in Brazil.
If you want to talk about former F1 World Champions, well, that's a different story ;)
To question my own statement, did Fernando actually become F1 World Champion as soon as he crossed the finish line in Brazil? Or is there some formality to be completed first? Or does he not actually assume the role until January 1 next year?
Oh, my! I was under the obviously mistaken impression that once you were a "World Champion," you were a World Champion since you were the World Champion for that season for, well, forever. You can't be a "former" World Champion can you? Wouldn't that mean that your championship for that year was revoked or whatever, wouldn't it?
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Posted 28 September 2005 - 09:19
It's all semantics
Michael Schumacher is the world champion
Fernando Alonso will be world champion at the conclusion of the 2005 series
The other guys were world champions
Michael Schumacher is the world champion
Fernando Alonso will be world champion at the conclusion of the 2005 series
The other guys were world champions
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Posted 29 September 2005 - 11:24
More semantics:
I think in 2002 / '03 it was the FIA Sports Car Championship and it did not have "World Championship"-status. For obvious reasons: there were only races in Europe. I know it is very common for Dutch fans/press to refer to Lammers as a World Champion for those years, but he wasn't.Originally posted by Arjan de Roos
OK. Jan Lammers WC FIA WSC 2002 & 2003. Lammers is the manager of the dutch team.
