It seems there was a championship for sports cars in these countries in 1940. Who knows something about that?
Thanks for any help.
German and Italian Sports car 1940 championships
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Delsaux
, Oct 14 2005 20:02
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alessandro silva
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Posted 14 October 2005 - 20:37
In Italy, only on paper.
Eight races, five classes, rich money prizes. I have the list if needed.
Only the pseudo Mille Miglia (GP Brescia) was raced but no champion declared.
Eight races, five classes, rich money prizes. I have the list if needed.
Only the pseudo Mille Miglia (GP Brescia) was raced but no champion declared.
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Posted 15 October 2005 - 15:57
Hi Alessandro,
Yes that could help me.
I have of course photo's of the MM '40 and one also of Helmut Polensky in a race on 5/5/1940 (somewhere in Germany).
Thank You for all.
Yes that could help me.
I have of course photo's of the MM '40 and one also of Helmut Polensky in a race on 5/5/1940 (somewhere in Germany).
Thank You for all.
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alessandro silva
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Posted 16 October 2005 - 15:44
1940 Italian sports car championship. Five classes: 750, 1100, 1500, 3000, 4500.
28/4 GP Brescia
Races which did not take place:
26/5 Circuito della Superba (Genoa)
9/6 Parma-Poggio di Berceto
23/6 Circuito di Napoli
7/7 Circuito di Biella
14/7 Trento-Bondone
21/7 Corsa dello Stelvio
18/8 Targa Abruzzo
25/8 Circuito del Carnaro
28/4 GP Brescia
Races which did not take place:
26/5 Circuito della Superba (Genoa)
9/6 Parma-Poggio di Berceto
23/6 Circuito di Napoli
7/7 Circuito di Biella
14/7 Trento-Bondone
21/7 Corsa dello Stelvio
18/8 Targa Abruzzo
25/8 Circuito del Carnaro
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Delsaux
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Posted 17 October 2005 - 15:02
Hi Alessandro,
thank You for your help.
thank You for your help.
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Posted 17 October 2005 - 15:42
A date of 5/5/1940 would be consistent with the Hamburger Stadtparkrennen, which was usually run on the first Sunday in May. However, I think a 1940 race would be a bit of a surprise .....;)
Alessandro: that calendar seems to be more complete than the one I posted in the Racing in WW2 thread:
http://forums.autosp...5083#post585083
That's from late October or early November 1939. What was your source?
Alessandro: that calendar seems to be more complete than the one I posted in the Racing in WW2 thread:
http://forums.autosp...5083#post585083
That's from late October or early November 1939. What was your source?
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alessandro silva
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Posted 17 October 2005 - 16:26
Richard, it was taken down from Auto Italiana several years ago.
It checks with the one published more recently by Curami in his wonderful Italian sports car book.
Your list comprises also some voiturette races. Mine only the rounds for the Italian sports car championship (or, better, the five championships). There are 3 mountain-climbs also.
It checks with the one published more recently by Curami in his wonderful Italian sports car book.
Your list comprises also some voiturette races. Mine only the rounds for the Italian sports car championship (or, better, the five championships). There are 3 mountain-climbs also.
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Posted 18 October 2005 - 12:42
Dear Vitesse2,
I have a photo of Helmut Polensky on which it is writen: V/5/1940!
I have a photo of Helmut Polensky on which it is writen: V/5/1940!
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Posted 18 October 2005 - 19:44
Originally posted by Delsaux
Dear Vitesse2,
I have a photo of Helmut Polensky on which it is writen: V/5/1940!
That´s possible, but was it shot during a racing event? A race in 1940 would indeed be a surprise.
What car is he driving?
And is it possible, to show that picture here? If so perhaps it would be able to identify the location and event.
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Posted 19 October 2005 - 19:58
Dear Uechtel,
I do it tomorrow. There is a mountain in the backround.
Sorry but I don't how to send a photo!
I do it tomorrow. There is a mountain in the backround.
Sorry but I don't how to send a photo!
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Posted 19 October 2005 - 21:48
Originally posted by Delsaux
Dear Uechtel,
I do it tomorrow. There is a mountain in the backround.
Sorry but I don't how to send a photo!
with a little help ;)
http://forums.autosp...&threadid=70638
try http://imageshack.us/
a mountain in the background doesn't look like Hamburg perhaps a private tour during the war
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Michael Müller
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Posted 20 October 2005 - 17:51
Markus, Kronstadt....?
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uechtel
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Posted 20 October 2005 - 20:15
@Michael, to my knowledge Polensky was not part of the team at Kronstadt. Also that event was in September (!)
But without a picture, who knows.
All what is sure is, that Hamburg is probably the flattest area of whole Germany. The next mountains are at least hundreds of kilmeters away.
@Delsaux, picture posting is absolutely easy with imageshack. Alternatively I can offer, that you can also send it to me by e-mail (uechtel@gmx.de) and I will upload it and post it here for you.
But without a picture, who knows.
All what is sure is, that Hamburg is probably the flattest area of whole Germany. The next mountains are at least hundreds of kilmeters away.
@Delsaux, picture posting is absolutely easy with imageshack. Alternatively I can offer, that you can also send it to me by e-mail (uechtel@gmx.de) and I will upload it and post it here for you.
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Posted 25 October 2005 - 16:57
Voila, as promised, here the picture:
@Delsaux, thank you, a really nice one!
So who what where when?
Who?
It´s pretty clear, indeed Helmut Polensky:
(here with the winner´s laurels at Hamburg 1939)
What?
No BMW 328 for sure - watch the different mounting of the windscreen in the picture above!
But after the Eifelrennen (21.5.1939) Polensky switched to one of Toni Neumaier´s specials:
(picture from the Eifelrennen)
Doesn´t that fit perfectly?
When and Where?
Well, in the background we can see the black BMW 328 of von Hanstein, to be clearly identified by the "SS" letters in the circle in front of the door. Also part of the starting number is visible. It looks liek something like 1?1 (101, 121, 131, 161, 181 or 191).
So we have to look for an event in which both participated (numbers in brackets where available) :
11.6.1939 Wiener Höhenstraßenrennen: Hanstein: yes - Polensky: ?
9.7.1939 Schotten: Hanstein: yes (#5) - Polensky: yes
31.7.-2.8.1939 Deutsche Alpenfahrt: Hanstein: yes (#157) - Polensky: ?
6.8.1939 Großer Bergpreis (Großglockner) : Hanstein: yes (#101) - Polensky: yes (#102)
No races after that any more due to the outbreal of the war.
With the information I have I am sure it is at the Großglockner. Everything fits perfectly.
@Delsaux, thank you, a really nice one!
So who what where when?
Who?
It´s pretty clear, indeed Helmut Polensky:
(here with the winner´s laurels at Hamburg 1939)
What?
No BMW 328 for sure - watch the different mounting of the windscreen in the picture above!
But after the Eifelrennen (21.5.1939) Polensky switched to one of Toni Neumaier´s specials:
(picture from the Eifelrennen)
Doesn´t that fit perfectly?
When and Where?
Well, in the background we can see the black BMW 328 of von Hanstein, to be clearly identified by the "SS" letters in the circle in front of the door. Also part of the starting number is visible. It looks liek something like 1?1 (101, 121, 131, 161, 181 or 191).
So we have to look for an event in which both participated (numbers in brackets where available) :
11.6.1939 Wiener Höhenstraßenrennen: Hanstein: yes - Polensky: ?
9.7.1939 Schotten: Hanstein: yes (#5) - Polensky: yes
31.7.-2.8.1939 Deutsche Alpenfahrt: Hanstein: yes (#157) - Polensky: ?
6.8.1939 Großer Bergpreis (Großglockner) : Hanstein: yes (#101) - Polensky: yes (#102)
No races after that any more due to the outbreal of the war.
With the information I have I am sure it is at the Großglockner. Everything fits perfectly.
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Michael Müller
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Posted 25 October 2005 - 17:03
Markus is right, also the background is clearly alpine. The date? Looks like a postcard which has been sent much later by somebody else.
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Posted 31 October 2005 - 15:54
Hi, everybody,
You are right, the photo has been taken in August 1939 at the Grossglöckner.
May I add that I have just published a book on the races in Belgian Congo (and a little in Angola)? HThe name is: "Grands Prix en Noir et Blanc"
You are right, the photo has been taken in August 1939 at the Grossglöckner.
May I add that I have just published a book on the races in Belgian Congo (and a little in Angola)? HThe name is: "Grands Prix en Noir et Blanc"
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Posted 01 November 2005 - 20:14
It was a pleasure for me to be able to help you on this. Do you have more of that stuff?
Concerning your book about Congolesian races I think you might receive more attention in one of these threads:
http://forums.autosp...&threadid=44605
http://forums.autosp...&threadid=57421
Concerning your book about Congolesian races I think you might receive more attention in one of these threads:
http://forums.autosp...&threadid=44605
http://forums.autosp...&threadid=57421
