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Started by Paul Medici , Dec 02 2005 05:30

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#1 Paul Medici

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 05:30

Just wondering if anyone can think of a racing car that has ever sported a more beautiful set of exhaust pipes?

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#2 Barry Boor

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 07:47

They are only cool until you try modelling them!!!!

#3 f1steveuk

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 10:34

Didn't one of the 60s Hondas have a similar "pit of vipers" for an exhaust system. I suspect the Ferrari one looks so much better as it's white, the Honda one was black. Matra tried an over head exhaust, which I think was chrome, looked great, sounded wonderful, didn't work!

#4 Wolf

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 11:01

Maybe this one?

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#5 f1steveuk

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 11:11

Originally posted by Wolf
Maybe this one?

Rare picture, all the stacks are still on it. I think there must be more pictures of marshalls picking up hot pipes, than pictures showing all the pipes in place!

#6 kayemod

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 11:46

Originally posted by f1steveuk

Rare picture, all the stacks are still on it. I think there must be more pictures of marshalls picking up hot pipes, than pictures showing all the pipes in place!

Hard to tell, but it looks to me that at least one pipe on the left side of the car has fallen off. BRM pretty soon reverted to a more conventional one pipe lowdown on each side arrangement, but as far as I can recall, missing pipes like the ones in the pic didn't slow the thing down all that much.

#7 Wolf

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 12:13

Naah, Kayemod- they're all there, one is merely bent... Dunno, I just loove this shot- NGH looking like a driver should, and the pipes just add to the atmosphere of the photo. :cool:

#8 Ray Bell

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 13:02

The Bob Jane McLaren M6 Repco had the best looking pipes... trust me...

#9 Macca

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 13:06

Ah, the Ferrari 312/68 at Spa, when the tall rear wing first appeared, but mounted over the rear axle before Forghieri moved it to just behind the rollover bar - Amon reckoned it was better in the original position.............

All the Ferraris of that time with the pipes finished in Sperex white looked great - my particular favourite was this version:

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(Sarti gets away at Monza...)

And the P4 prototypes' pipes looked good, but were hidden away under the bodywork....:-(

But for cars with 'mere' chrome pipes, this has to be the one:

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#10 petefenelon

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 13:17

I think there's some legitimate opposition for the best-looking pipes... (excuse nasty old scanned photo!)

#11 f1steveuk

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 13:18

I went to do some filming at the Williams factory, I could have stayed a week just watching the guy making exhaust headers, artistry

#12 petefenelon

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 13:19

Originally posted by Macca

http://www.evil-phot...ke/P8260109.JPG

Paul M

ahhh - another excellent Tony Gartshore pic. Great bloke, real enthusiast and good photographer. Hasn't been too well lately but is very much on the mend.

#13 Keir

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 14:24

That 67/68 Ferrari has got the legs or pipes on all and sundry, but Honda in it's 65 1.5 transverse MC Engine had a nice set of pipes !!

#14 jj2728

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 14:37

At monaco in 68 the matra v-12s ran with a set of extended exhausts that i always thought were rather unique and i'm sure the sound was otherworldly...

#15 bill moffat

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 15:00

Originally posted by jj2728
At monaco in 68 the matra v-12s ran with a set of extended exhausts that i always thought were rather unique and i'm sure the sound was otherworldly...

..which prompted a Brockbank cartoon which depicted an officious scrutineer tying a red flag to the tip of the Matra's exhausts.

Seems odd that in a decade when most constructors went to Monaco with stubby noses and gearbox protectors Matra bucked the trend....

#16 kayemod

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 15:06

Originally posted by Keir
That 67/68 Ferrari has got the legs or pipes on all and sundry, but Honda in it's 65 1.5 transverse MC Engine had a nice set of pipes !!

The white Ferrari pipes were good, but I can't get too excited about the 1.5 transverse Honda ones. They were very feeble looking things, really small diameter like the tailpipe on a Morris Minor, they looked more like thick black wire than proper exhaust pipes. Some that I really liked though were the ones on the Indy Ford V8 in the Lotus 38, painted in Yellow Sperex. It's a long time ago, but Barry Bloor will appreciate this, I made a set once for a scratch built 1/32nd scale Lotus 38 slot racer, impressed all who saw it, won prizes in several concours. Applause!!! Thank you.

#17 Andretti Fan

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 15:14

Tosses in my vote for the 67 Eagle Weslake. That has to be one of the most beautiful cars ever made, with the exhaust looking almost sculptured.

#18 Pedro 917

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 16:38

The 1967 Honda RA300 pipes:

#19 David Beard

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 17:11

#20 Wolf

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 17:19

David, I hope You don't expect that pic to be bettered.;) I'd have to dig out the pic of Bonetto smoking a pipe in GP car (Swiss GP IIRC)...

#21 Roly

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 17:30

How about this one for a vey close second to the Ferrari at the top of this thread.
Also becaus it looks very simularly beautifull.

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But then, it would be hard to beat David beard's one :lol:

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#22 Paul Taylor

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 18:26

Originally posted by David Beard

It's his 75th birthday today...Happy birthday DP :wave:

#23 Roger Clark

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 19:31

Originally posted by f1steveuk

Rare picture, all the stacks are still on it. I think there must be more pictures of marshalls picking up hot pipes, than pictures showing all the pipes in place!

How many times did pipes fall off the BRM in a race?

#24 f1steveuk

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 19:42

Tony Rudd said all the time

#25 kayemod

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 19:44

Originally posted by Roger Clark

How many times did pipes fall off the BRM in a race?

Don't think they ever finished a race with the full set.

#26 h4887

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 20:31

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Paul Medici
[B]Just wondering if anyone can think of a racing car that has ever sported a more beautiful set of exhaust pipes?

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Makes you wonder how they ever bolt the things on...

#27 Doug Nye

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 20:34

Take a look at the pipes on the early V12 Matra as at Monaco '68...

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#28 Roger Clark

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 22:45

Originally posted by kayemod

Don't think they ever finished a race with the full set.

Funny. I thought the only time they actually lost any was Silverstone.

Anyway, enough of this modern nonsense. This is what I call an exhaust pipe.

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#29 Barry Boor

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 22:49

Are you sure that isn't a drain pipe, Roger?

#30 Ray Bell

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 23:57

Nahhh... that's the prototype roll cage!

..... I wonder if they were actually thinking about keeping exhaust gases away from the driver? .....

#31 Arjan de Roos

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Posted 13 December 2005 - 15:45

Originally posted by Paul Medici
Just wondering if anyone can think of a racing car that has ever sported a more beautiful set of exhaust pipes?

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Franco Lini once explained that the exhausts from the 1968-69 F1 Ferraris were considered by some as a work of art (say living art/tech art). At Ferrari they never considered the way the exhausts would look. In fact they were a result of many hours of struggling engineering to get the pipes with identical exhaust resistance (length/diameter and curves of each individual pipe). The result was the form they were. Painted in white with a red car made a strong contrast. Indeed they have the looks!! But are purely calculated.

#32 Cirrus

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Posted 13 December 2005 - 18:35

Ron Tauranac's technique to find out if exhaust primaries were of equal length was to fill them with ping pong balls - practical as ever.....

#33 JSF

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Posted 13 December 2005 - 23:45

I just love the whole inlet/exhaust arangement on the big block March 717 for it's sheer volume, it's always a special moment when we wake the beast up for it's days work.

#34 jj2728

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Posted 14 December 2005 - 01:34

Originally posted by Barry Boor
They are only cool until you try modelling them!!!!

hear hear...http://community.web.../72242818eabzUL

#35 David Beard

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Posted 14 December 2005 - 19:00

I recall reading at the time when Brabham were using Alfa engines (not sure whether this is the flat12 or V12) that the exhaust manifolds were made from titanium tubing and were replaced every GP. Was that unique to Brabham? Are they titanium on current F1 cars?

#36 doc knutsen

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Posted 14 December 2005 - 19:49

In the Turbo era, exhausts would be made from stainless or Inconel, non-stainless steels would develop internal rust flakes which would get dislodged and end up ruining the turbocharger unit. Anyone know if Mike the Pipe is still in business?

#37 kayemod

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Posted 14 December 2005 - 20:00

Originally posted by jj2728
hear hear...http://community.web.../72242818eabzUL

But the pipes on the model Ferrari in this link don't really look too similar to the ones in the pic of the full-size Ferrari that opened this thread, they don't capture it at all. I'd say thar proves Barry Bloor's point, so let's hear it for the modellers!

#38 Cirrus

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Posted 14 December 2005 - 20:33

Most F1 exhausts are still titanium, as far as I know. There was a story doing the rounds a few years ago - if the details are wrong, then I apologise, but the basics are correct.

In the days before the parc ferme rules in F! qualifying, many parts were changed between qualifying and the race. An exhaust cost about £11,000 (say $19,500), and was designed to last only one race - the construction was too fragile to last any longer. In order to save weight, some teams had "qualifying exhausts" made out of a thinner grade of titanium that also cost about £11,000. These items only lasted for one qualifying session........

Most F1 cars were underweight, so the weight saved by the lighter exhaust (I seem to recall a figure of 40g, but it may have been 140g) had to be added back on to the car! The key thing was that the weight could be added anywhere.

18 races - 2 cars - £396,000 (over $700,000) just to move a couple of ounces of weight about!