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Started by Michael Clark , Jan 19 2006 03:14

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#1 Michael Clark

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Posted 19 January 2006 - 03:14

The recent thread on the colours of the Coombs cars got me thinking.

Have we ever made a list of colour schemes of teams that were never involved in F1. I'm thinking here of entrants rather than drivers who only ever ran themselves - even if it was in a constant colour scheme.

Exceptions might be people who continued to run a team after they themselves had retired. I think here of people like Alec Mildren.

I'm guessing the period in mind will be largely pre sponsorship era.

I'll start with some that come to mind:

Alec Mildren

#2 Michael Clark

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Posted 19 January 2006 - 03:18

I got a bit trigger happy

Alec Mildren Yellow
Scuderia Veloce Red with a green nose/band
Ron Harris Red
Sid Taylor White with a green stripe flanked by 2 narrow green stripes
Willment White with a red stripe flanked by 2 narrow red stripes

#3 David McKinney

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Posted 19 January 2006 - 06:12

Mildren's cars were mostly mid-green when he was driving himself, but yellow when he became an entrant
The more familiar Willment colour to me is red with a gold flash

#4 Barry Boor

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Posted 19 January 2006 - 07:45

We had Normand Racing who were white with blue (and red?) stripes;
Ian Walker, who ran the Team Lotus green and yellow, but in reverse;
Ian Raby, whose F.1 cars always seemed to be dark blue, but I stand to be corrected on that last one.

There are many others, and I'm sure they will come to me during the day.

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Posted 19 January 2006 - 08:15

Alan Mann's colours were red & gold.

(Then there were the maroon & silver Escorts - but I can't remember the entrant!)

George Bevan's Imps were blue and white.

Blydenstein Vauxhalls were mainly silver (sometimes with orange stripes?).

Nick Whiting's cars were yellow.

Ronnie Hoare's Ferraris were red with sky blue stripes/panels.

Ulf Norinder entered his cars in yellow with blue stripes.

David Piper's cars [mainly the unsponsored ones] were apple green.

#6 Tomas Karlsson

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Posted 19 January 2006 - 08:25

Ulf Norinder entered his cars in yellow with blue stripes.

I would rather call it blue with yellow stripes...

#7 2F-001

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Posted 19 January 2006 - 08:45

Originally posted by Twin Window
Then there were the maroon & silver Escorts - but I can't remember the entrant!

Ralph Broad - Broadspeed, and Anglias prior to that.

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Posted 19 January 2006 - 10:05

Originally posted by Tomas Karlsson

I would rather call it blue with yellow stripes...

Quite right - my mistake.

Originally posted by 2F-001

Ralph Broad - Broadspeed, and Anglias prior to that.

Good lord - how could I ever have forgotten that!

#9 Vicuna

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Posted 19 January 2006 - 10:47

VDS - red with two central stripes - one red, one blue

#10 Frank de Jong

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Posted 19 January 2006 - 11:51

Originally posted by David McKinney
The more familiar Willment colour to me is red with a gold flash

The colours above remind me more of Alan Mann's cars :rolleyes:

#11 Huw Jadvantich

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Posted 19 January 2006 - 11:57

Same thing wasn't it?
Did Bob Gerard always run the same colours?
Winkelmann?

#12 petefenelon

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Posted 19 January 2006 - 12:45

There's a late-60s book on motor racing team colours and markings (published in very small numbers by a firm that mostly did aero-modelling books, IIRC), but whenever it turns up on Ebay I keep getting outbid on it. Anyone who has a copy would be useful here ;)

#13 2F-001

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Posted 19 January 2006 - 13:08

I guess that would be
"Motor racing team colours and markings" by John Baxter, Model Aeronautical Press (MAP), 1967 (Eight shillings and sixpence).
I ordered mine through 'Model Cars' magazine way back when.

#14 petefenelon

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Posted 19 January 2006 - 13:18

Originally posted by 2F-001
I guess that would be
"Motor racing team colours and markings" by John Baxter, Model Aeronautical Press (MAP), 1967 (Eight shillings and sixpence).
I ordered mine through 'Model Cars' magazine way back when.

The very one - couldn't remember the name!

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Posted 19 January 2006 - 13:20

From 1975 Daily Express Trophy official program:

-F5000
VDS (P.Gethin-.Pilette) : red-white-blue
Richard Oaten Rg (I.Ashley) : black
The Encyclopedia Britannica Lola (G.Edwards) : red-white
Sid Taylor Theodore Rg (V.Schuppan) : red
D.R.I.P. (M.Wilds) : red-yellow
Brian Robinson: brown
Southern Organs I.R.T. (D.Magee) : white
Tony Dean: blue
Brian McGuire: orange
Chris Oates Ltd (L.Verhoeven) : white
Chris Featherstone: white
McKechnie Rg-Durex (R.Scott) : white
LEC Refrigeration-Southern Organs Rg (D.Purley) : blue
Shellsport Team Modus (T.Walkinshaw) : ?
Reed Rg (G.Spice) : white
Mick Hill: red
I.A.S. Rg (J.Turner) : yellow
George's Haulage (D.Leech) : red-white-blue
Brooklands Garage (G.Amato) : purple-yellow
Adlards (B.Lunger) : black
"Thursdays"/RAM (D.Walker-A.Sutcliffe) : blue-yellow-red
C.Amon: red
Radio Luxembourg (T.Belso) : blue-yellow

#16 MCS

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Posted 19 January 2006 - 14:06

Originally posted by GIGLEUX
From 1975 Daily Express Trophy official program:

-F5000
C.Amon: red

I'm curious about this?

Anybody have any ideas?!

#17 David McKinney

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Posted 19 January 2006 - 14:25

The F5000 Talon he raced in NZ at the beginning of that year was red...

#18 Stephen W

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Posted 19 January 2006 - 14:26

Originally posted by Vicuna
VDS - red with two central stripes - one red, one blue

Surely the stripes were WHITE and Blue.

;)

#19 Stephen W

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Posted 19 January 2006 - 14:32

Originally posted by David McKinney
The F5000 Talon he raced in NZ at the beginning of that year was red...

Amon was entered in the Talon however despite the best efforts of his pit crew the Chevvie could not be coaxed into life so Chris was a non-starter.
:eek:

#20 Pedro 917

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Posted 19 January 2006 - 18:14

Jo Bonnier's cars : yellow with a large white stripe and a small red stripe in the middle.

#21 Vicuna

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Posted 19 January 2006 - 18:23

Originally posted by Stephen W

Surely the stripes were WHITE and Blue.

;)

Of course they were.

(Note to self - Don't post after heavy drinking)

#22 Macca

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Posted 19 January 2006 - 18:30

Charles Lucas: dark blue with red stripe/nose, edged with white (OK, they built an F1 but it never started an F1 race)

Paul M

#23 Doug Nye

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Posted 19 January 2006 - 18:48

Originally posted by David McKinney
The more familiar Willment colour to me is red with a gold flash

I think that's the Alan Mann team livery rather than John Willment Engineering's - JWA commonly ran white overall with a broad red central stripe flanked on each side by a thinner red stripe - while occasionally the body/stripe colours were reversed, red background with the stripes in white. If I recall correctly the Willment Galaxie for example ran white/red stripes in the UK, but was driven in South Africa by Bobby Olthoff red/white stripes like the sister F1 Brabham-BRM for Frank Gardner. The team's Lotus TC-engined 'F1' uprated F2 Brabham was white/red stripes.

DCN

#24 David McKinney

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Posted 19 January 2006 - 19:09

Damn. I was hoping no-one would notice my deliberate error :lol:

#25 Twin Window

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Posted 19 January 2006 - 19:23

Originally posted by Doug Nye

JWA commonly ran white overall with a broad red central stripe flanked on each side by a thinner red stripe...

That's certainly how I remember Mike Crabtree's Willment Escort from the early seventies.

#26 Michael Clark

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Posted 19 January 2006 - 20:30

Originally posted by Huw Jadvantich
Same thing wasn't it?
Did Bob Gerard always run the same colours?
Winkelmann?

Good questions Huw

What about the Midland Racing Team - were they dark green with a yellow nose?

#27 Milan Fistonic

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Posted 20 January 2006 - 07:50

Originally posted by Michael Clark

Good questions Huw

What about the Midland Racing Team - were they dark green with a yellow nose?

Not according to the aforementioned book - blue with yellow nose.

#28 Barry Boor

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Posted 20 January 2006 - 08:39

This has been mentioned on other 'team colour' threads, but stands repeating, I think.

While excellent, the aforementioned book has lost much of its usefullness in recent years due to the fact that the colour codes given within its pages are old ICI cellulose colour codes and sadly, not even ICI themselves can marry those codes up with modern acrylic paint references.

This has been a continuing source of frustration to model makers, and historic racing car owners too, I am sorry to say.

Apologies for drifting O.T.

#29 Stephen W

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Posted 20 January 2006 - 09:36

Originally posted by Milan Fistonic

Not according to the aforementioned book - blue with yellow nose.

The blue was a very DARK shade whilst the yellow was quiet pale.

Winklemann's colours varied as did a lot of teams.

Willment's Galaxies were overall White with three red stripes from nose to tail (one broad stripe bounded on each side by a narrower stripe). The negative of this was used on some later cars like the AC Cobra Shelby coupe.

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Posted 20 January 2006 - 20:29

Originally posted by Huw Jadvantich
Same thing wasn't it?
Did Bob Gerard always run the same colours?
Winkelmann?

I have a 2006 Michael Turner 'Racing Legends' calendar.

Bob Gerard is featured at June in a pale green (not as pale as BRP) ERA.

Did he continue with that colour on his F2 cars?

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Posted 20 January 2006 - 20:39

A few more have come to mind;

I think I'm correct in saying that all of the Rondel F2 cars were light blue - initially Brabhams of course and then "Motul M1s"...

Eifelland's F2 cars were always white...

The DART (Dobie Automobile Racing Team) Chevron and GRDs were always dark blue with white piping and signwriting...

#32 philippe charuest

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Posted 20 January 2006 - 20:57

Fred Opert cars (chevron)were light blue too . in f2 and in atlantic

#33 David McKinney

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Posted 20 January 2006 - 21:58

Originally posted by philippe charuest
Fred Opert cars (chevron)were light blue too . in f2 and in atlantic

Not all of them

#34 Michael Clark

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Posted 21 January 2006 - 04:23

Was pale blue actually an Opert colour or was it just a coincidence that he ran Gitanes in some mid 70s F2 races?

#35 Barry Boor

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Posted 21 January 2006 - 09:07

No, Michael, not just because of fags.

Here is Rosberg at the International Trophy race in 1977.

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#36 Alan Cox

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Posted 21 January 2006 - 12:18

Am I mistaken in thinking that the MRP noseband colour sometimes varied? Possibly for identification? I have a recollection of seeing a pale blue band on some occasion, but it may have been in historic racing.

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Posted 21 January 2006 - 16:47

Originally posted by MCS
A few more have come to mind;

I think I'm correct in saying that all of the Rondel F2 cars were light blue - initially Brabhams of course and then "Motul M1s"...

I seem to recollect that they were all different colours!

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Posted 21 January 2006 - 21:36

What colour was the McLaren M4A run by Piers Courage and entered by John Coombes in 1967?

#39 MCS

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Posted 21 January 2006 - 22:01

Originally posted by Stephen W

I seem to recollect that they were all different colours!

Do you know, when I'd written my post I had this awful sort of semi-recollection that I was wrong! :rolleyes:

But I don't know why - other than I have this strange feeling that one of the Motul M1s was (possibly) yellow and another was white. Aaargh! Sorry :blush:

- I'll blame (increasing) old age...

But I did think of another one this afternoon - Paul Hawkins Racing = red. (which will doubtless result in various statements to the contrary...)

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Posted 21 January 2006 - 22:02

I'm pretty sure Tom Pryce raced a pale blue Rondel at some point, Mark. Rouen, maybe? Just a guess...

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Posted 21 January 2006 - 22:04

im not sure if the car was enter by Coombs but in 67 in f2 the m4a of P.Courage was red with a gold stripe

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Posted 21 January 2006 - 22:12

Yes, pale blue was the norm certainly, but I have this almost weird feeling that one of them was white (or yellow!) for some reason...

Talking of pale blue (sponsor colours aside), Fred Opert's cars weren't always pale blue. I can remember Hector Rebacque (amongst others) in a dark blue Formula Atlantic Chevron

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Posted 21 January 2006 - 22:19

The one I'm thinking of was just pale blue; in other words, devoid of the Motul/Radio Luxembourg red/yellow/black (or whatever colours the trim was). I have a feeling Scheckter drove either the same car, or one in a similar livery, too.

At least one Opert Chevron was pink, sponsored by [Edit] Sheik (condoms or somesuch) and driven by Patrese in FAtlantic.

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Posted 22 January 2006 - 03:28

Originally posted by philippe charuest
im not sure if the car was enter by Coombs but in 67 in f2 the m4a of P.Courage was red with a gold stripe

Could it have been a silver/grey stripe bordered by narrow black lines?

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Posted 22 January 2006 - 07:11

As raced in the 1968 Tasman Series the McLaren was maroon with two gold stripes and a gold noseband

#46 Alan Cox

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Posted 22 January 2006 - 15:13

A pink Sheik condom-liveried Chevron turned up at Oulton Park last year for the Chevron anniversary. Don't know if it was a genuine ex-Patrese car.

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Posted 22 January 2006 - 17:24

in 1977 the fred opert team had 3 cars in the NA champ all pink with 3 different brand on them exita-sheik and i dont remember the third one. of course one of the car was for rosberg but i dont remember the other 2 driver, at trois-rivieres its possible that the 2 other cars were driven by f1 guest drivers

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Posted 22 January 2006 - 18:32

Originally posted by David McKinney
As raced in the 1968 Tasman Series the McLaren was maroon with two gold stripes and a gold noseband

exact . the confusion come from the fact that an ex courage m4 still exist and the car is red with a gold lontiduginal stipe. but in all the pictures of 67 euro f2 that i have (most of them b/w), the car is plain red

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Posted 22 January 2006 - 18:38

#50 Vicuna

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Posted 22 January 2006 - 19:36

Originally posted by Alan Cox
A pink Sheik condom-liveried Chevron turned up at Oulton Park last year for the Chevron anniversary. Don't know if it was a genuine ex-Patrese car.

Guessing that is the ex Rosberg Excita sponsored car out of the Canadian series

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