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South African Formula 1 programmes

Started by Allen Brown , Jan 26 2006 17:50

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#1 Allen Brown

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Posted 26 January 2006 - 17:50

Hello

Does anyone have any programs from the South African F1 series?

I've been sent a bunch of excellent colour photographs recently from the South African F1 series and some of the cars are proving difficult to identify. The numbers shown on the cars don't always agree with what's shown in the F1 Register and I want to go back to the original entry lists in the programs.

I'm after something like this one from the 1972 Republic Day Trophy:

I've cropped this one a little to fit it into TNF but click on it and you'll get the idea.

Can anyone help? I'm especially keen to get hold of the 1971 Rhodesian GP.

Many thanks

Allen

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#2 macoran

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Posted 26 January 2006 - 22:17

Sorry I can't help out with material.
but.............. no wonder one gets mixed up !!!
it says entry nr 2 John Love / Team Gunston.......OK

but a Brabby BT33....?

looks more like one of the litter of Mosley 701s

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#3 Hieronymus

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 05:30

Allen, only a handful, but I am always willing to help you in identifying the cars.

I have race reports for basically every race from the SAF1 period. Perhaps I can find something in them. I think you still have my email address??

PS. If you need programmes for the 1948-1959 period, well then I surely can help. Then again it was the time of the "specials" with F1 still only a dream in SA.

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#4 Peter Morley

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 08:25

Just looking at the Formula One Register's book list and I see that they offer "A Record of F1 Racing in South Africa 1960-1975", presumably that might help.

One hitch is the 150 quid price tag though!

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#5 Allen Brown

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 08:46

Originally posted by Peter Morley
Just looking at the Formula One Register's book list and I see that they offer "A Record of F1 Racing in South Africa 1960-1975", presumably that might help.

One hitch is the 150 quid price tag though!

Hi Peter

I have that (excellent) book and that's the one that I referred to above giving me numbers that don't agree with the pictures. Most of the time it's not a problem but I have been given a lovely picture of a Lola T140 at the 1971 Rhodesian GP with #25 on the side and the F1R book gives the two T140-series Lolas at the race as #21 and #22. I'm hoping the entry list will sort that out.

Allen

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#6 Russell_Sheldon

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 09:32

Sorry I can't help with the programs Allen but I'd love to see the pictures you have! Any chance of scanning and posting them for us to see, please?

Macoran, although John Love drove the Team Gunston March 701 in the 1972 SA Championship season opening race, the Cape South Easter at Killarney, he felt that the March was incapable of beating Charlton's Lotus 72 and returned to using the rebuilt Surtees TS9. After a DNF in the Highveld 100 and spinning out of the SAGP, the Surtees was all but scrapped. Love then took over the Team Gunston Brabham BT33/1 which had been acquired for Willie Ferguson for the rest of the 1972 season.

With kind regards,

Russell

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#7 Allen Brown

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 10:13

Hi Russell

The pictures are appearing on OldRacingCars.com as I sort through them. Have a look at the Surtees TS5 page and the Lola T140 page.

The one I'm trying to sort out is this one, destined for the T140 page.

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Allen

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#8 ry6

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 10:51

The photo is of John Love's March. Not one of his better cars.

The "photo" above the entry list is for "decoration" purposes in the programme and the "editor" could have used any racing car photo he had.

The photo of the March, I do not believe, is/was intended to refer to Love's BT33 which was entered for the race.

A bit misleading I agree though.

PS. At times when one of his "better" cars was out of action John Love reverted to his "spare" the March.

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#9 Vicuna

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 20:44

What is the pale blue station wagon behind car 25?

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#10 macoran

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 21:59

1st model Jeep Wagoneer ?

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#11 macoran

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 22:03

yes ry6, I think I was awake enough to understand the decoration bit,
I did a bit of "motoring" writing myself, but when one is trying to
get to the bottom of things it would be easier if......................................
wouldn't it ?

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#12 David M. Kane

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 23:52

What's nice about Mark Harmer's Surtees is that he can really drive the thing!

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#13 barrykm

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Posted 28 January 2006 - 05:25

I think that the blue wagon is a Toyota Land Cruiser.

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#14 cedricselzer

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Posted 28 January 2006 - 07:22

Your best be for South African programs is Jannie van Aswegan. I have spent days looking through them with him. Contact phone 00 27 11 6789918 or 106 Market Street, Fairlands, 2195 Johannesburg, SA

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#15 Allen Brown

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Posted 28 January 2006 - 09:18

Hi Cedric

I had no idea you were a TNFer. Great to see you here.

I haven't spoken to Jannie in years. We used to correspond about LDSs before the web. Thanks for the phone number - I'll get back in touch.

Allen

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#16 Russell_Sheldon

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Posted 28 January 2006 - 11:37

Many thanks for for posting the picture and for the links to your brilliant website, Allen. I know that this really is no help at all because its not factual, but I'd hazard a guess that the #25 Lola T-140 is Joe Domingo's SL140/14.

Here are some more pictures of the T-140s that raced in South Africa:-

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Dave Charlton, 1968 (SL140/14?)

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Jackie Pretorius, 1968 (SL140/4?)

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John McNicol, 1969 (T-142?)

And a picture of Eddie Keizan's Surtees TS5A:-

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Kind regards,

Russell

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#17 Allen Brown

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Posted 28 January 2006 - 19:33

Originally posted by Russell_Sheldon
Many thanks for for posting the picture and for the links to your brilliant website, Allen. I know that this really is no help at all because its not factual, but I'd hazard a guess that the #25 Lola T-140 is Joe Domingo's SL140/14.

Could be, but do we actually know that Joe had SL140/14? Maybe his father had bought a T140 overseas or had got Doug Serrurier to build a fresh one for him? If I could just find a report that says something like "Joe in his newly-acquired ex-Amm Lola"...

Not doing very well with the programme search, am I?

I've had two leads, Cedric's plus one emailed to me, but is there nobody here with even a single early 1970s South African programme?

Allen

PS Thanks for the pictures Russell

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#18 rwhitworth

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Posted 09 September 2007 - 08:51

Originally posted by Allen Brown
Hello

Does anyone have any programs from the South African F1 series?

Apologies for the late response, but I have the following should they be of any interest:

1969:
- Republic Day Trophy

1970:
- SAGP
- Rand Winter Trophy

1971:
- Total Rally
- SAGP
- "25th Anniversary Races" (Kyalami, 7 Aug)
- Rand Spring Trophy

1972:
- Pretoria Motor Club 3-hour endurance (I'm guessing it is 1972 - the programme is actually undated)
- BNP Rally
- SAGP
- Highveld 100
- Republic Day Trophy

1973:
- PMC 3-hour
- SAGP
- Republic Day Trophy
- Rand Winter Trophy
- Rand Spring Trophy
- Nine Hour

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#19 Allen Brown

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Posted 09 September 2007 - 08:58

Originally posted by rwhitworth

Apologies for the late response, but I have the following should they be of any interest:

1969:
- Republic Day Trophy

1970:
- SAGP
- Rand Winter Trophy

1971:
- Total Rally
- SAGP
- "25th Anniversary Races" (Kyalami, 7 Aug)
- Rand Spring Trophy

1972:
- Pretoria Motor Club 3-hour endurance (I'm guessing it is 1972 - the programme is actually undated)
- BNP Rally
- SAGP
- Highveld 100
- Republic Day Trophy

1973:
- PMC 3-hour
- SAGP
- Republic Day Trophy
- Rand Winter Trophy
- Rand Spring Trophy
- Nine Hour

Yes Russell, very much of interest, especialy the F1 races. Could you scan the entry lists and send them to me (allen@oldracingcars.com)? Getting entry numbers right for these events has proved problematic which in turn makes it difficult to identify some cars from photographs.

Many thanks

Allen

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#20 Hieronymus

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Posted 09 September 2007 - 09:12

Russell

I am also very much interested. Please, if possible. I am also willing to purchase (excluding Rally programmes). I have a vast number of old SA race programmes that date back to the 1930s, but none of the ones you mentioned. It is becoming somewhat of a hopeless effort to collect old race programmes in South Africa.

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#21 rwhitworth

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Posted 09 September 2007 - 09:19

Okay - I'm happy to do the scans, as I was thinking of adding those to my own web pages anyway. It won't be for a week or so.

Hieronymus: I don't plan to sell them just yet... ask me again in 20 years or so

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#22 Hieronymus

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Posted 09 September 2007 - 09:44

No problem...Allen in anyway, was first in line, if they were up for sale. I do not want to take up your time, but if you do scan, I'll be happy with the entrant lists of the South African F1 races. The SAGPs are also not a priority.

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#23 rwhitworth

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Posted 16 September 2007 - 09:27

I've put the scans on my Kyalami website:

http://russell.whitworth.com/kyalami

Hi-res versions are available if anyone really wants them.

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#24 Hieronymus

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Posted 16 September 2007 - 09:46

Thank you very much, Russell, for your kind effort. These scans are perfect for me. I'll make prints and add them to my files. As I've said before...programmes from these old South African races are becoming more and more difficult to find. In the past I have contacted numerous South African car/racing clubs in the hope of obtaining old race programmes from their members...well the response has been nil. I still regard old race programmes as essential items in any research one undertakes.

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#25 Allen Brown

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Posted 16 September 2007 - 09:58

Thanks Russell, much appreciated

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#26 quattordici

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Posted 18 September 2007 - 20:03

Hello all,

I've got the following South African race programmes available :
1970 Grand Prix South Africa
1970 9 Hours Kyalami
1971 Rand Spring Trophy
1971 9 Hours Kyalami
1975 Grand Prix South Africa
1976 Grand Prix South Africa

As I am a collector, I'm not selling but I would be happy to trade.
Especially if someone would have the 1977 Grand Prix South Africa programme ...
If you're interested just let me know, we could exchange 'for trade/wanted' lists.

Have a nice evening,
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#27 Allen Brown

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Posted 18 September 2007 - 22:05

I've added a list of programme entry lists acquired to date on OldRacingcars.com. I am very happy to trade scans with anyone else interested in this area of research.

I'm grateful to Denis Lupton and Russell Whitworth for kick-starting the archive. I will get around to contacting Jannie van Aswegan but I'm a little snowed under at the moment.

Allen

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#28 Hieronymus

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 05:33

Allen

Why only starting from 1965?

Happy to help with whatever I have. Please check your email. Will send list.

quattordici
Check your emails please