I recently found out that I do not find complete results of the early Grand Prix at Zandvoort 1948 -1951, that was before the race counted for the Drivers World Championship.
I could not find complete results, list of participants, or a list of reasons why drivers stopped.
The years from 1952 on are much better documented.
Paul Hooft
Early Grand Prix at Zandvoort 1948 -1951
Started by
paulhooft
, May 06 2006 09:37
4 replies to this topic
#1
Posted 06 May 2006 - 09:37
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#2
Posted 06 May 2006 - 16:05
Most of this info seems to be in Sheldon black books Vol. 4 & 5. Some reasons for retirement are missing.
#3
Posted 06 May 2006 - 17:18
I do not have these booksi n my collection yet...
however,
Thank you Rob..
Are there other sources you know of?
Paul Hooft
however,
Thank you Rob..
Are there other sources you know of?
Paul Hooft
#4
Posted 06 May 2006 - 21:35
Maybe these results are more complete than yours, Paul?
07.08.1948
I Grote Prijs van Zandvoort
Zandvoort
2 heats x 24 laps x 4,184 km = 102,030 km
final 40 laps = 167,367 km
Heat 1
1 Reg Parnell Maserati 4CL '1533' 50m17.8, 121.71 kph
2 Tony Rolt Alfa-Aitken 50m21.4
3 John Bolster ERA B-Type 'R5B' 50m23.2
4 Ken Hutchinson Alfa Romeo Tipo B 51m00.8
5 Geoffrey Ansell ERA B-Type 'R9B' 52m18.2
6 Anthony Baring Maserati 4CM
Fastest Lap: John Bolster (ERA B-Type), 1:57.9, 127.76 kph
Pole Position: Cuth Harrison (ERA C-Type), 2:03.8
Heat 2
1 12 B.Bira Maserati 4CL '1532' 50m24.3, 121.45 kph
2 David Hampshire ERA A-Type 'R1A' 51m23.8
3 Duncan Hamilton Maserati 6CM 51m31.8
4 Fred Ashmore ERA B-Type 'R7B' 51m50.9
5 Leslie Brooke ERA E-Type 'GP1' 52m17.5
6 Gordon Watson Alta
Fastest Lap: B.Bira (Maserati 4CL), 1:53.6, 128.08 kph
Pole Position: 'B.Bira' (Maserati 4CL), 2:00.2
Final
1 12 B.Bira Maserati 4CL '1532' 1h25m22.2, 117.62 kph
2 Tony Rolt Alfa Romeo 1h25m22.3
3 Reg Parnell Maserati 4CLT '1533' 39 laps
4 Duncan Hamilton Maserati 6CM 39 laps
5 Fred Ashmore ERA B-Type 'R7B' 39 laps
6 Leslie Brooke ERA E-Type 'GP1' 38 laps
7 David Hampshire ERA A-Type 'R1A' 38 laps
8 Geoffrey Ansell ERA B-Type 'R9B' 38 laps
9 Kenneth Bear Bugatti T59 37 laps
10 Kenneth Hutchinson Alfa Romeo 37 laps
11 Michael Chorlton Bugatti T51 31 laps
12 Anthony Baring Maserati 4CM 28 laps
31.07.1949
II Grote Prijs van Zandvoort
Zandvoort
2 heats x 25 laps x 4,18 km = 104,60 km
final 40 laps = 167,37 km
Results:
Heat 1
1 Luigi Villoresi Ferrari 125 51m29.2, 122,18 km/h
2 Giuseppe Farina Maserati 4CLT/48 51m49.8
3 B.Bira Maserati 4CLT/48 52m40.9
4 Louis Rosier Talbot-Lago T26C 110001 53m03.0
5 Cuth Harrison ERA C-Type R8C 24 laps
6 St John Horsfall ERA B-Type R11B 24 laps
Fastest Lap: Luigi Villoresi (Ferrari 125), 1:59.3, 126,27 km/h
Pole Position: Giuseppe Farina (Maserati 4CLT/48), 1:54.8
Heat 2
1 Reg Parnell Maserati 4CLT/48 52m30.2, 119,80 km/h
2 Alberto Ascari Ferrari 125 52m40.9
3 Emmanuel de Graffenried Maserati 4CLT/48 52m41.1
4 Philippe Etancelin Talbot-Lago T26C 110008 53m41.4
5 Bob Gerard ERA B-Type R14B 24 laps
6 Geoffrey Crossley Alta GP/2 22 laps
Fastest Lap: Alberto Ascari (Ferrari 125), 2:01, 124,03 km/h
Pole Position: Alberto Ascari, 1:55.0
Final
1 Luigi Villoresi Ferrari 125 1h21m06.9, 124,11 km/h
2 Emmanuel de Graffenried Maserati 4CLT/48 1h21m37.2
3 B.Bira Maserati 4CLT/48 1h21m48.8
4 Giuseppe Farina Maserati 4CLT/48 1h22m30.6
5 Philippe Etancelin Talbot-Lago T26C 1h22m59.6
6 Reg Parnell Maserati 4CLT/48 1h23h07.1
7 Bob Gerard ERA B 39 laps
8 Louis Rosier Talbot-Lago T26C 39 laps
9 Johnny Claes Talbot-Lago T26C 38 laps
10 David Hampshire ERA A 35 laps
Fastest Lap: Reg Parnell (Maserati 4CLT/48), 1:57.8, 128,13 km/h
Pole Position: Luigi Villoresi (Ferrari 125)
Did Not Finish:
Cuth Harrison ERA B
StJohn Horsfall ERA B
Alberto Ascari Ferrari 125 ? accident
George Abecassis Alta GP
Did Not Start:
Peter Whitehead Ferrari 125 magneto
23.07.1950
I Grote Prijs van Nederland
Zandvoort
90 Laps x 6.604 km
594.36 km
Results:
1 #18 Louis Rosier Talbot-Lago T26C-DA 110051 3h03m36.3, 123,30 km/h
2 #6 Luigi Villoresi Ferrari 125 '125-C-01' 3h04m49.3
3 #8 Alberto Ascari Ferrari 166 'GP1-49' 3h04m49.8
4 #10 Peter Whitehead Ferrari 125 '125-10C' 88 laps
5 #24 B.Bira Maserati 4CLT/48 1598 87 laps
6 #28 David Murray Maserati 4CLT/48 1595 85 laps
7 #4 José Froilán Gonzalez Maserati 4CLT/48 84 laps
Fastest Lap: Raymond Sommer (Talbot-Lago T26C-DA 110052), 1:52.1, 134,65 km/h
Pole Position: Raymond Sommer, 1:51.8
Did Not Finish
14 Johnny Claes Talbot-Lago T26C '110011' 77 laps/crash
16 Philippe Etancelin Talbot-Lago T26C-DA '110054' 60 laps/oil pipe
26 Reg Parnell Maserati 4CLT/48 '1596' 42 laps/rear axle
12 Raymond Sommer Talbot-Lago T26C-DA '110052' 37 laps/clutch
2 Juan Manuel Fangio Maserati 4CLT/48 '1599' 24 laps/suspension
20 Yves Giraud-Cabantous Talbot-Lago T26C-DA '110051' 20 laps/engine
22 Enrico Platé Maserati 4CLT/48 '1601' 1 lap/engine
Alternative Drivers
22 Emanuel de Graffenried
28 Louis Chiron
Starting Grid (3-2-3)
3 Gonzalez 2 Fangio 1 Sommer
1:54.7 1:53.0 1:51.8
5 Villoresi 4 Rosier
1:55.0 1:55.0
7 'Bira' 6 Ascari 5 Giraud-Cabantous
1:57.4 1:56.9 1:55.2
9 Parnell 8 Étancelin
1:58.3 1:57.6
12 Platé 11 Claes 10 Whitehead
2:01.4 1:59.7 1:58.4
13 Murray
2:08.1
22.07.1951
II Grote Prijs van Nederland
Zandvoort
90 laps x 4,192 km
377,338 km
1 16 Louis Rosier Talbot-Lago T26C-DA '110053' 2h59m19.4, 126.26 kph
2 8 Philippe Etancelin Talbot-Lago T26C-DA '110054' 89 laps
3 28 Stirling Moss HWM-Alta 89 laps
4 26 Rudolf Fischer Ferrari 212 '212-110' 88 laps
5 30 Duncan Hamilton Talbot-Lago T26C '110011' 86 laps
6 24 Lance Macklin HWM-Alta 84 laps/no fuel
7 14 Andre Pilette Talbot-Lago T26C '110006' 84 laps/crash
8 2 John Heath HWM-Alta 82 laps
Fastest Lap: André Pilette (Talbot-Lago T26C '110006'), 1:54.0, 132.43 kph
Did Not Finish
10 Johnny Claes Talbot-Lago T26C-DA '110052' 61 laps/valves
12 Giuseppe Farina Maserati 4CLT/48 '1611' 46 laps/oil pipe
4 Louis Chiron Talbot-Lago T26C '110001' 41 laps/brakes
18 "Pierre Levegh" Talbot-Lago T26C '110005' 37 laps/valves
Did Not Appear
6 Luigi Villoresi Ferrari 375
20 Alberto Ascari Ferrari 375
22 Froilan Gonzalez Maserati 4CLT/48
Alternative Driver
2 Hermann Roosdorp
Alternative Entry
18 Peter Whitehead Ferrari 125
Starting Grid (3-2-3)
3 Pilette 2 Chiron 1 Farina
1:54.2 1:54.1 1:52.9
5 Claes 4 Etancelin
1:55.0 1:54.3
8 Rosier 7 Fischer 6 Moss
1:57.2 1:55.4 1:55.2
10 Macklin 9 "Levegh"
2:00.7 2:00.5
12 Heath 11 Hamilton
2:11.5 2:01.0
07.08.1948
I Grote Prijs van Zandvoort
Zandvoort
2 heats x 24 laps x 4,184 km = 102,030 km
final 40 laps = 167,367 km
Heat 1
1 Reg Parnell Maserati 4CL '1533' 50m17.8, 121.71 kph
2 Tony Rolt Alfa-Aitken 50m21.4
3 John Bolster ERA B-Type 'R5B' 50m23.2
4 Ken Hutchinson Alfa Romeo Tipo B 51m00.8
5 Geoffrey Ansell ERA B-Type 'R9B' 52m18.2
6 Anthony Baring Maserati 4CM
Fastest Lap: John Bolster (ERA B-Type), 1:57.9, 127.76 kph
Pole Position: Cuth Harrison (ERA C-Type), 2:03.8
Heat 2
1 12 B.Bira Maserati 4CL '1532' 50m24.3, 121.45 kph
2 David Hampshire ERA A-Type 'R1A' 51m23.8
3 Duncan Hamilton Maserati 6CM 51m31.8
4 Fred Ashmore ERA B-Type 'R7B' 51m50.9
5 Leslie Brooke ERA E-Type 'GP1' 52m17.5
6 Gordon Watson Alta
Fastest Lap: B.Bira (Maserati 4CL), 1:53.6, 128.08 kph
Pole Position: 'B.Bira' (Maserati 4CL), 2:00.2
Final
1 12 B.Bira Maserati 4CL '1532' 1h25m22.2, 117.62 kph
2 Tony Rolt Alfa Romeo 1h25m22.3
3 Reg Parnell Maserati 4CLT '1533' 39 laps
4 Duncan Hamilton Maserati 6CM 39 laps
5 Fred Ashmore ERA B-Type 'R7B' 39 laps
6 Leslie Brooke ERA E-Type 'GP1' 38 laps
7 David Hampshire ERA A-Type 'R1A' 38 laps
8 Geoffrey Ansell ERA B-Type 'R9B' 38 laps
9 Kenneth Bear Bugatti T59 37 laps
10 Kenneth Hutchinson Alfa Romeo 37 laps
11 Michael Chorlton Bugatti T51 31 laps
12 Anthony Baring Maserati 4CM 28 laps
31.07.1949
II Grote Prijs van Zandvoort
Zandvoort
2 heats x 25 laps x 4,18 km = 104,60 km
final 40 laps = 167,37 km
Results:
Heat 1
1 Luigi Villoresi Ferrari 125 51m29.2, 122,18 km/h
2 Giuseppe Farina Maserati 4CLT/48 51m49.8
3 B.Bira Maserati 4CLT/48 52m40.9
4 Louis Rosier Talbot-Lago T26C 110001 53m03.0
5 Cuth Harrison ERA C-Type R8C 24 laps
6 St John Horsfall ERA B-Type R11B 24 laps
Fastest Lap: Luigi Villoresi (Ferrari 125), 1:59.3, 126,27 km/h
Pole Position: Giuseppe Farina (Maserati 4CLT/48), 1:54.8
Heat 2
1 Reg Parnell Maserati 4CLT/48 52m30.2, 119,80 km/h
2 Alberto Ascari Ferrari 125 52m40.9
3 Emmanuel de Graffenried Maserati 4CLT/48 52m41.1
4 Philippe Etancelin Talbot-Lago T26C 110008 53m41.4
5 Bob Gerard ERA B-Type R14B 24 laps
6 Geoffrey Crossley Alta GP/2 22 laps
Fastest Lap: Alberto Ascari (Ferrari 125), 2:01, 124,03 km/h
Pole Position: Alberto Ascari, 1:55.0
Final
1 Luigi Villoresi Ferrari 125 1h21m06.9, 124,11 km/h
2 Emmanuel de Graffenried Maserati 4CLT/48 1h21m37.2
3 B.Bira Maserati 4CLT/48 1h21m48.8
4 Giuseppe Farina Maserati 4CLT/48 1h22m30.6
5 Philippe Etancelin Talbot-Lago T26C 1h22m59.6
6 Reg Parnell Maserati 4CLT/48 1h23h07.1
7 Bob Gerard ERA B 39 laps
8 Louis Rosier Talbot-Lago T26C 39 laps
9 Johnny Claes Talbot-Lago T26C 38 laps
10 David Hampshire ERA A 35 laps
Fastest Lap: Reg Parnell (Maserati 4CLT/48), 1:57.8, 128,13 km/h
Pole Position: Luigi Villoresi (Ferrari 125)
Did Not Finish:
Cuth Harrison ERA B
StJohn Horsfall ERA B
Alberto Ascari Ferrari 125 ? accident
George Abecassis Alta GP
Did Not Start:
Peter Whitehead Ferrari 125 magneto
23.07.1950
I Grote Prijs van Nederland
Zandvoort
90 Laps x 6.604 km
594.36 km
Results:
1 #18 Louis Rosier Talbot-Lago T26C-DA 110051 3h03m36.3, 123,30 km/h
2 #6 Luigi Villoresi Ferrari 125 '125-C-01' 3h04m49.3
3 #8 Alberto Ascari Ferrari 166 'GP1-49' 3h04m49.8
4 #10 Peter Whitehead Ferrari 125 '125-10C' 88 laps
5 #24 B.Bira Maserati 4CLT/48 1598 87 laps
6 #28 David Murray Maserati 4CLT/48 1595 85 laps
7 #4 José Froilán Gonzalez Maserati 4CLT/48 84 laps
Fastest Lap: Raymond Sommer (Talbot-Lago T26C-DA 110052), 1:52.1, 134,65 km/h
Pole Position: Raymond Sommer, 1:51.8
Did Not Finish
14 Johnny Claes Talbot-Lago T26C '110011' 77 laps/crash
16 Philippe Etancelin Talbot-Lago T26C-DA '110054' 60 laps/oil pipe
26 Reg Parnell Maserati 4CLT/48 '1596' 42 laps/rear axle
12 Raymond Sommer Talbot-Lago T26C-DA '110052' 37 laps/clutch
2 Juan Manuel Fangio Maserati 4CLT/48 '1599' 24 laps/suspension
20 Yves Giraud-Cabantous Talbot-Lago T26C-DA '110051' 20 laps/engine
22 Enrico Platé Maserati 4CLT/48 '1601' 1 lap/engine
Alternative Drivers
22 Emanuel de Graffenried
28 Louis Chiron
Starting Grid (3-2-3)
3 Gonzalez 2 Fangio 1 Sommer
1:54.7 1:53.0 1:51.8
5 Villoresi 4 Rosier
1:55.0 1:55.0
7 'Bira' 6 Ascari 5 Giraud-Cabantous
1:57.4 1:56.9 1:55.2
9 Parnell 8 Étancelin
1:58.3 1:57.6
12 Platé 11 Claes 10 Whitehead
2:01.4 1:59.7 1:58.4
13 Murray
2:08.1
22.07.1951
II Grote Prijs van Nederland
Zandvoort
90 laps x 4,192 km
377,338 km
1 16 Louis Rosier Talbot-Lago T26C-DA '110053' 2h59m19.4, 126.26 kph
2 8 Philippe Etancelin Talbot-Lago T26C-DA '110054' 89 laps
3 28 Stirling Moss HWM-Alta 89 laps
4 26 Rudolf Fischer Ferrari 212 '212-110' 88 laps
5 30 Duncan Hamilton Talbot-Lago T26C '110011' 86 laps
6 24 Lance Macklin HWM-Alta 84 laps/no fuel
7 14 Andre Pilette Talbot-Lago T26C '110006' 84 laps/crash
8 2 John Heath HWM-Alta 82 laps
Fastest Lap: André Pilette (Talbot-Lago T26C '110006'), 1:54.0, 132.43 kph
Did Not Finish
10 Johnny Claes Talbot-Lago T26C-DA '110052' 61 laps/valves
12 Giuseppe Farina Maserati 4CLT/48 '1611' 46 laps/oil pipe
4 Louis Chiron Talbot-Lago T26C '110001' 41 laps/brakes
18 "Pierre Levegh" Talbot-Lago T26C '110005' 37 laps/valves
Did Not Appear
6 Luigi Villoresi Ferrari 375
20 Alberto Ascari Ferrari 375
22 Froilan Gonzalez Maserati 4CLT/48
Alternative Driver
2 Hermann Roosdorp
Alternative Entry
18 Peter Whitehead Ferrari 125
Starting Grid (3-2-3)
3 Pilette 2 Chiron 1 Farina
1:54.2 1:54.1 1:52.9
5 Claes 4 Etancelin
1:55.0 1:54.3
8 Rosier 7 Fischer 6 Moss
1:57.2 1:55.4 1:55.2
10 Macklin 9 "Levegh"
2:00.7 2:00.5
12 Heath 11 Hamilton
2:11.5 2:01.0
#5
Posted 07 May 2006 - 08:01
Dear Piotr Podhajski
This is exactly what I was looking for!!
Thank you!!!
Paul Hooft
This is exactly what I was looking for!!
Thank you!!!
Paul Hooft