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North American Racing Team

Started by Bernard , May 14 2006 17:21

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#1 Bernard

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Posted 14 May 2006 - 17:21

Is there a book giving the history of Chinettis NART. I have seen various articles in mags but no definitive history.

#2 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 14 May 2006 - 18:04

No, i have not seen one and on the net very little I found! How did they transport their cars to LeMans? Bjørn

#3 Bernard

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Posted 14 May 2006 - 18:46

I agree hence my query. I guess a GTO or a 250 LM you could drive from Cherbourg or somewhere.

#4 EDWARD FITZGERALD

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Posted 14 May 2006 - 20:55

The Le Mans winning 250 lm was transported on an open double deck transporter ( Fiat ) , the same truck appears to have been used in 67 also , so presumably it was rented in Italy ,wiil come back with picture references , ALM AUTOMODELLI in Italy make a model of it .

#5 Scuderia SSS

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Posted 14 May 2006 - 20:59

Try searching for info on the "Great Ferrari Walkout" and then follow some of the links in the various scraps of info from there.
ATS would be another good start for more info on Chinetti. He took great knowledge and experience to the team.
Should be able to build up your own History from there, and its much more interesting

Paul.

#6 Sharman

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Posted 14 May 2006 - 21:17

To hazard a guess should not the question be how did he transport them away from Le Mans. The most likely scenario being that he bought new cars from Ferrari and disposed of them after wards, he was after all a dealer. We've already been toldabout the Italian transporter.

#7 Scuderia SSS

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Posted 14 May 2006 - 22:19

Originally posted by Scuderia SSS
Try searching for info on the "Great Ferrari Walkout" and then follow some of the links in the various scraps of info from there.
ATS would be another good start for more info on Chinetti. He took great knowledge and experience to the team.
Should be able to build up your own History from there, and its much more interesting

Paul.

Sorry, i'm waffling on about Carlo Chiti, and you wanted to know about Luigi Chinetti. That'll teach me to read the post properly

#8 Bernard

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Posted 15 May 2006 - 08:44

Dont worry, I took your advice and searched around down the byways of the net to good effect. I did,nt realise for example that NART ceased ops in 1982 according to one reference I read.

#9 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 15 May 2006 - 12:32

wikipedia has a little and modelfoxbrianza too,there where also a little on the TNF about the Chinettis. Bjørn. Oh by the way,I believe the Fiat transp. in LM 65 is with a Francorchamps LM not a NART!(?) Bjørn

#10 Macca

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Posted 15 May 2006 - 15:37

Bjorn,
In 1967 the three 412Ps of NART, Filipinetti and Maranello Concessionaires all arrived on the same transporter from Ferrari, where they had been race-prepared and had their ZF gearboxes replaced by Ferrari P4 type 603 'boxes:

#11 Paul Parker

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Posted 15 May 2006 - 21:17

What an interesting period picture also showing support vehicles and a typical 1960s paddock backdrop, just the sort of thing that many would like to see in books but they rarely appear.

Great post Macca, got any more?

#12 Mallory Dan

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Posted 16 May 2006 - 12:58

Anyone recall rumours that NART were going to run Lancia LC2s at Le Mans in 1984-85 ???

#13 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 16 May 2006 - 13:10

Superb photo , more please , but un TNF Transporter , please.
Edward you were right , this Fiat also took the NART winng LM to LeMans in 1965 ,car21(not26 as I thought.).Which lead me to believe suggestions that NART NOT had their own , being transported by Ferrari or rented as the pic shows. Bjørn

#14 antony duprat

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Posted 16 May 2006 - 18:32

this view of Le MANS is from Jacques Adam and come from the book of Michel Bollée
"Le Mans 1960-1969" éditions du palmier.
This pic date from the sunday morning.IT is one of the two Ferrari's trucks after the retirements
of this three cars (the third is the number 23), in attempt of the fourth retirement,may be the
number 19. The number of one of the trucks is MO124139

#15 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 17 May 2006 - 19:51

Hello Bernard, just found and interesting excerpt by Sam Posey from his book "The Mudge Pond Express" where he talks about racing for NART, quite interesting : members.tripod.com
Well ,its also for others. Regards Bjørn

#16 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 17 May 2006 - 19:53

Hello Macca , more transporters in that book? By the way , they are not 412(Canam) but P3/4s (330) Yes? regards Bjørn

#17 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 17 May 2006 - 20:03

Back again Bernard , I have 5 pages of TNF post on an earlier thread called NART Luigi and Lou Chinetti. I can post them if I get your address. Regards Bjørn

#18 Lotus23

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Posted 18 May 2006 - 01:47

I had the good fortune to work for Luigi Chinetti/ NART at LeMans 1962: young (24) and naive, I simply walked up and asked if they could use a volunteer gopher. "Sure!" was the reply. (Try doing that today!)

A most memorable week, capped by working the race at the signalling pits, located just after the Mulsanne turn.

The following year, I did the same for Briggs Cunningham.

Simpler times...

#19 cabianca

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Posted 18 May 2006 - 04:45

Bjorn Kjer,
They are 412 Ps. This is factory nomenclature for single cam cars. There was no factory designation of P3/4. Both P3s and P4s had dohc heads.

#20 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 18 May 2006 - 08:49

Bernard ,I did mean by post because I cannot yet scan , but nice to hear you found the article. A little here and there then one might make a story.

Regards Bjørn

#21 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 18 May 2006 - 08:51

To Cabianca ,I wont blame magazines or books that has misled me,but blame myself for somnetimes not reading correctly. But I love to learn.....thanks.
Regards Bjørn

#22 Bruno

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Posted 02 June 2006 - 09:43

Originally posted by Macca
Bjorn,
In 1967 the three 412Ps of NART, Filipinetti and Maranello Concessionaires all arrived on the same transporter from Ferrari, where they had been race-prepared and had their ZF gearboxes replaced by Ferrari P4 type 603 'boxes:

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But NART also ran their old P2/3 that year, so I don't know about other transporters.....

Paul M

car n° 22 is 412P: 0848 "Scuderia Fillipinetti" Guichet/Muller
car n° 25 is 412 P: 0844 "Nart" P. Rodriguez/Baghetti
car n° 23 is 412P: 0854 "Maranello concessionaire" Attwood/Courage

#23 Ted Walker

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Posted 03 June 2006 - 07:32

Terry O Neil author of the newl Nassau Speed Weeks book ,has been researching NART. for years with the plan of writing a book on their history...............

#24 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 10 June 2006 - 18:07

Bernard , did you ever search the www.Ferrarichat ??????????????????? Regards Bjørn

#25 Carlos Jalife

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Posted 17 June 2006 - 17:48

Many of the cars the NART used were sent from America to Europe to be reconditioned at the factory beforte Le Mans and taken by the factory transporters (yes many of those) to the french track where Chinetti would meet them and just get them through the inspections and stuff.
Other times, they were bought directly by the team as available on Ferrari and also taken by the official transporters to Le Mans.
Example. Pedro Rodríguez used the TR330 in late 1962 in America and it was sent back to Maranello in the spring of 1963 to be reconditioned at the factory and then given to NART at Le Mans, where Pedro got the PP in it.
The older cars were fitted with newer parts and engines therefore some P2/P3 denominations, the 250/275 cars, the 330/365 and some 412P instead of being full P4s and all that stuff which confuses historians to the max.

#26 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 17 June 2006 - 18:56

Hello Carlos , nice info , especially for me transporter nut. I reckon by now that NART never had their own transporters , propably not even vans!

Regards Bjørn

#27 Paul Medici

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Posted 19 June 2006 - 18:42

N.A.R.T. transporter at Bridgehampton, early Sunday morning, September 20th, 1964 - practice for Race II of the Double 500 held later in the day. And note the Ford Country Squire to the right. It was also used by the team.
Pedro's getting a push and although it's hard to tell given the distance, that might be Scarfiotti standing next to his white/blue 330P.

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#28 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 19 June 2006 - 20:00

.....in Europe that is..................................!!!!!!!!

Great picture Paul....... regards Bjørn

#29 macoran

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Posted 19 June 2006 - 22:06

Originally posted by Bj?jer
[B].....in Europe that is..................................!!!!!!!!

Great picture Paul....... regards Bj?/B]

Which Europe ??

#30 D-Type

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Posted 19 June 2006 - 22:16

I think it goes like this:

Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer
Hello Carlos , nice info , especially for me transporter nut. I reckon by now that NART never had their own transporters , probably not even vans!

Regards Bjørn

Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer

.....in Europe that is..................................!!!!!!!!

Great picture Paul....... regards Bjørn

#31 Racer.Demon

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Posted 22 March 2010 - 21:13

*bump*

I have a question about the Ferrari 275 GTB/4 entered by NART for the 1967 Le Mans 24 Hours. It was number 27 on the original entry list but did not appear. What do we know about its subsequent history?

#32 pilota

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 16:07

*bump*

I have a question about the Ferrari 275 GTB/4 entered by NART for the 1967 Le Mans 24 Hours. It was number 27 on the original entry list but did not appear. What do we know about its subsequent history?

As it didn't even appear we don't have a chassis number. So there is no way of knowing (AFAIK) which car they were thinking of entering, and therefore no way to know its subsequent history.
Nathan