Heidfeld, BMW-Sauber at the Nordschleife.!
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Posted 15 March 2007 - 13:56
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Posted 15 March 2007 - 13:58
#4
Posted 15 March 2007 - 13:59
#5
Posted 15 March 2007 - 13:59
#6
Posted 15 March 2007 - 14:00
Originally posted by TT6
Could you be a bit more specific?
Sorry. Nick Heidfeld will be lapping the Nordschleife in the BMW Sauber F1.07 in April as part of a BMW celebration.
#7
Posted 15 March 2007 - 14:07
#8
Posted 15 March 2007 - 14:14
#9
Posted 15 March 2007 - 14:16
Originally posted by paranoik0
Surely they're either going to do a slow lap, or adapt the car somehow due to the bumps in the track?
Yeah, bumps and lack of runoffs...
But still, this is an "emotional" issue more than anything, seeing a modern-day F1 on the Ring.
An excellent marketing/PR coup by BMW.
This will be on all automotive/motorsports media for months...
I wonder how fast he'll (NH) do Swedencreuz (sp?), Flugplatz, Pflanzgarten, Bergwerk and Dottinger?
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Posted 15 March 2007 - 17:07
#11
Posted 15 March 2007 - 17:16
in case you don't get it ... I'm quoting Hans Stuck in the 962 video I saw 20 years ago
#12
Posted 15 March 2007 - 17:24
#13
Posted 15 March 2007 - 17:24
Originally posted by baddog
Im not sure how a car will actually GET round, maybe by staying up on the flat outside of karussel? if thats even possible?
What's wrong with using the banking?
http://nurburgring.o...r/karussell.jpg
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Posted 15 March 2007 - 17:26
#15
Posted 15 March 2007 - 18:00
Niki Lauda said some 20 years ago that it is impossible to drive a (then) modern F1 car at race speed at the Nordschleife.
I always wondered if he is right.
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Posted 15 March 2007 - 18:02
#17
Posted 15 March 2007 - 18:04
Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
He also said anyone could drive an F1 car.
Wrong, even a monkey could drive an F1 car.
#18
Posted 15 March 2007 - 18:07
Originally posted by mach4
What's wrong with using the banking?
http://nurburgring.o...r/karussell.jpg
getting on and off it with no ground clearance seems like it might be impossible without bottoming the car somewhere?
#19
Posted 15 March 2007 - 18:14
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Posted 15 March 2007 - 18:14
#21
Posted 15 March 2007 - 18:15
will be a publicity coup anyway, it would make the main nightly news here no problem.
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Posted 15 March 2007 - 18:22
#23
Posted 15 March 2007 - 18:28
Originally posted by baddog
getting on and off it with no ground clearance seems like it might be impossible without bottoming the car somewhere?
I think the entry and exit have smooth enough transitions so as long as he sticks to the banking the whole time it should be OK.
http://www.pikeynet....03/nring219.jpg
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Posted 15 March 2007 - 18:30
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Posted 15 March 2007 - 18:42
#26
Posted 15 March 2007 - 18:51
Now....
TV COVERAGE?
Jp
#27
Posted 15 March 2007 - 18:58
Is he finaly getting some puplicity?
Hard to believe.
GO NICK
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Posted 15 March 2007 - 19:01
#29
Posted 15 March 2007 - 19:12
So you think that Lauda was wrong with his modern-F1-car-at-race-speed-at-Nordschleife statement?Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
He also said anyone could drive an F1 car.
#30
Posted 15 March 2007 - 19:54
Originally posted by jonpollak
I'm salivating like Pavlov's dog
Now....
TV COVERAGE?
Jp
bah... it will be on utube in no time.
#31
Posted 15 March 2007 - 20:06
For those of you of a gaming persuasion btw, you can of course buy Rfactor, which allows you to try the BMW F1.06 (i think) around the old Nurburgring whenever you like (although personally i'd always go for the Caterham classic.......gr8 fun around there ;) )
Good luck Nick, try not to bend it eh (as Gemini said, its a bloody long walk back )
#32
Posted 15 March 2007 - 20:08
Originally posted by wrighty
(although personally i'd always go for the Caterham classic.......gr8 fun around there ;) )
Excellent taste!
#33
Posted 15 March 2007 - 20:22
Until he tried the Jaguar that is and completely made a fool out of himself.Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
He also said anyone could drive an F1 car.
#34
Posted 15 March 2007 - 20:56
I'm just thinking if it is worth go there that day.
Thanks.
#35
Posted 15 March 2007 - 20:58
Originally posted by baddog
getting on and off it with no ground clearance seems like it might be impossible without bottoming the car somewhere?
Oh well, I don't suppose anyone will bother to check for wear on the wooden plank afterwards.
#36
Posted 15 March 2007 - 21:29
Originally posted by BuonoBruttoCattivo
bah... it will be on utube in no time.
va bene...
Trasmettami il collegamento quando compare se voi per favore
Jp
#37
Posted 15 March 2007 - 21:43
Driving round the flat part round the outside won't be a problem.
The whole circuit is quite bumpy so it won't be a pleasant lap, I really expect Nick to drive it sensibly, it would look very silly if he stuck it in the wall.
http://video.google....247762610830707
Karussel is at 5m45sec You can see that most of the way round the car is bouncing around a lot.
#38
Posted 15 March 2007 - 22:03
not saying the BMW is designed for it..but can it made to work? probably
I want to see it! As well as see a LMP car on it too..they are designed for bumpy tracks as they run on Sebring so it should be a sight....
#39
Posted 15 March 2007 - 22:31
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Posted 15 March 2007 - 22:41
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Posted 15 March 2007 - 22:45
#42
Posted 15 March 2007 - 22:56
Having said that, I'd love to see them raise the car up, put as much suspension travel on it as possible, and watch Nick really have a go at it. Maybe we could see him get all 4 wheels off the ground like in the old days of F1 racing around the Nordschleife
#43
Posted 15 March 2007 - 23:21
am I the only one that can appreciate the pounding the cars take from the curbs lap after lap during the course of a race??
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Posted 16 March 2007 - 01:26
#45
Posted 16 March 2007 - 02:05
Even if he merely cruises around he should shatter the lap record.
#46
Posted 16 March 2007 - 05:47
Although we're powering uphill out of the valley, the car's glorious 5.0-litre V10 once again pushes us up to top speed. We slam into Mutkurve (Courage Corner), a fearsome left-hander over a blind brow: to our right the landscape vaults the barriers and tumbles down into dense scrubland.
"There was no guardrail here, either?" he asks. "Nothing? You'd be doing 190mph in a Formula 1 car here. It would be so easy just to take off."
At the Karussell, Villeneuve enthusiastically drops the car into the famous concrete basin with a satisfying whumph. He's like a giddy kid playing with his new toy and it's clear that he has been particularly looking forward to this moment. He's really starting to push a little more - the M5 strains on the limit as JV pulls it out of the banking. The M5 locks into the groove, dancing from kerb to kerb as the tyres squirm under braking.
For a moment, we're both silent. Jacques tops the brow of a crest and dives downhill into the Wippermann, Eschbach and Brunnchen corners. It's a classic sequence - the corners blend seamlessly together; a place where your exit
from one determines your approach to the next.
"It's beautiful! An amazing track, but I start to forget things from about this point in the videogame," he adds. "Normally, I restart it whenever I crash - so I never finish the last bit!" Hmm, that's reassuring.
...
We begin our second lap. This time the moments of indecisiveness are replaced by growing confidence and longer, steelier bursts of throttle. "Mmm, this car's got good grip," he says, throwing it into the opening series of corners known as the Hatzenbach.
Jacques Villeneuve drives the BMW Ring-Taxi at the Nurburgring © LAT
Like most classic Nordschleife bends, it's a series of slowly unravelling ess-bends that really encourage rhythmic 'feel' over raw technique.
It's also slow and wide enough to enable you easily to ask a little too much of the car and hope you'll get away with it.
"How cool was that?" I say as the car flicks out of the final ess.
"It was great!" he beams back. "I'd absolutely love to race here - it's the best track I've ever seen. And not just because it's long but because every corner is something special. And you just know it would be different in the cold, or the shade, or the rain. It's a living track. It's great."
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Jacques has started to realise just how complex this place is: "There are a few corners around here where you just couldn't drive at 10-tenths because they're too bumpy; unless you braked early, you'd risk braking with your wheels in the air - and then you'd lose control. You need to keep a small amount of margin, mainly just for all the bumps. Maybe, at the end of the day, you could try it at 10-tenths - but you might get hurt big time."
Could you overtake here in an F1 car?
"It's not very wide," he says. "You certainly couldn't overtake through any of these ess-bends. In fact, you probably couldn't race a Formula 1 car around here at all because there are too many places where you'd just take off."
Villeneuve.
Nordschleife.
M5. Sorted.
#47
Posted 16 March 2007 - 07:47
Originally posted by wj_gibson
Surely all they would need do is raise the ride height to the point whereby such clearance is possible? Can't be that hard. Might take a bit of the cornering speed out of the car, but not by a great deal.
Raising the ride height affects the cornering speed a lot as it reduces the downforce significantly.
#48
Posted 16 March 2007 - 09:52
I'd take an HPC.Originally posted by xflow7
Excellent taste!
#49
Posted 16 March 2007 - 14:05
I would love to see the like of Honda give it a go.
#50
Posted 16 March 2007 - 21:09
Originally posted by NineOneSeven
It would great if nick could get near Bellof's lap record in the Porsche. If BMW took the fastest time from them then it would be a PR masterstroke.
I would love to see the like of Honda give it a go.
It's much more appropriate that BMW or Mercedes do it. And if you want Japanese, then go for Toyota, since their F1 factory is quite close.