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Started by mcerqueira , Oct 04 2007 16:06

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#1 mcerqueira

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Posted 04 October 2007 - 16:06

This things are very subjective but among all the stunningly beautiful sports racers I think this ranks n#1:

Ferrari 312P in the rain

Only two are reported to exist, I would love to get my hands on more information on this particular car, anyone knows of any book where it might feature more in depth? I don't know if something like "Ferrari Prototype Era: 1962-1973 in Photographs" as got it?

Many thanks in advance for any help

#2 scags

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Posted 04 October 2007 - 17:03

Try "Ferrari 312 &512 Racing cars, by Ian Bamsey.

#3 mcerqueira

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Posted 04 October 2007 - 18:23

Originally posted by scags
Try "Ferrari 312 &512 Racing cars, by Ian Bamsey.

Sorry, on further search I found a similar thread :blush:

Also found "Ferrari 312 P/B" from Cavalleria series, this books look good, anyone own any of the series?

PS: of course, they had to cost 47 million dollars each, what a bummer

#4 2F-001

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Posted 04 October 2007 - 18:38

I'm fairly sure I saw one of them in the museum at Mas du Clos (the only time I've seen one, not having seen them race) but last time I was there it appeared that the collection was being broken up. Does anyone know the fate of that particular example?

#5 Andre Acker

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Posted 04 October 2007 - 18:55

Olá Marcos,

Escrevo desde o Brasil. Se não podes comprar o modelo verdadeiro (que não deve ter preço ...), tente o de slot car (scalextric para os leigos), na escala 1/32.
O fabricado pela Racer é uma obra de arte !

I am writing from Brasil. If you can not buy the real one (which must be priceless ...), try the 1/32 scale slot car (also know as scalextric).
The Racer model is the state of the art (I hope I got the correct expression !).

VBR.
André Acker.

#6 scags

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Posted 04 October 2007 - 19:34

I have a few of the Cavalleria books, but not that one. They are pretty amazing, but i would think the 312 P/B book would mostly be about the later, flat 12 cars.

#7 Steve Sobieralski

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Posted 04 October 2007 - 21:24

Originally posted by mcerqueira

PS: of course, they had to cost 47 million dollars each, what a bummer

For somewhat less money you could have a very nice 1/10 scale model:

http://www.minidelta.../312p_index.htm

The at speed version is particularly fetching.

#8 mcerqueira

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Posted 05 October 2007 - 00:09

Originally posted by scags
I have a few of the Cavalleria books, but not that one. They are pretty amazing, but i would think the 312 P/B book would mostly be about the later, flat 12 cars.

Right, they focus on a specific car. You own a few? Why do you think they are amazing? Photo? Text? Layout? all previous? Please share!

Originally posted by Steve Sobieralski

For somewhat less money you could have a very nice 1/10 scale model:

http://www.minidelta.../312p_index.htm

The at speed version is particularly fetching.

I meant the books

The car I would have said 47 Billion$! Edit: Nice model, I was also looking for model kits, thank you for the link Steve.

#9 Bruno

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Posted 05 October 2007 - 04:58

why "Nart"? ? ?

it is the car of Sefac, "0870" Pierre Bardinon at the Mas du Clos

http://brunodaytona6...as_du_clos.html

#10 simonlewisbooks

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Posted 05 October 2007 - 08:38

A set of 4 colour photos of the 312 coupe taken at Le Mans in 1969 are on eBay #180042309830

I agree with you mcerqueira. Possibly the best looking sports-racer ever.

#11 Steve Sobieralski

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Posted 05 October 2007 - 13:18

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mcerqueira
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Right, they focus on a specific car. You own a few? Why do you think they are amazing? Photo? Text? Layout? all previous? Please share!

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I have 14 ot the 15 books in the series-I lack only the F40LM volume. They all are about Ferrari racing or sport/racing cars, except the last one which is on the California. I believe the subject cars all belong, or belonged, to the same person or collection. Each book is filled with studio-quality color full page and fold-out photos of the subject car along with a general history of the type as well as the subject chassis. Many of them are written by Doug Nye. It is a beautifull series of books that I count myself lucky to have purchased (save one) before they reached the prices that they command today. My only complaint, from a modelers point of view, is that there are not more photos of the "innards"-engines compartments, interiors, etc. I don't believe that the 312PB volume has much, if any, any coverage of the 312P.

#12 FLB

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Posted 05 October 2007 - 14:07

Originally posted by simonlewisbooks
A set of 4 colour photos of the 312 coupe taken at Le Mans in 1969 are on eBay #180042309830

I agree with you mcerqueira. Possibly the best looking sports-racer ever.

The absolute best looking race car ever, in my humble opinion, particularly without any stickers, exactly like 0870 in Bardinon's collection... :love:

If a magic genie came to me and said 'You have three wishes':

1. To own a Ferrari
2. With a V12
3. A 312P, in 1969 Berlinetta Le Mans configuration...

#13 Fr@nk

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Posted 05 October 2007 - 14:17

The Ferrari 312P V12 of the year 1969 was the most beautiful race car in my opinion.
Without a doubt is the car I preferred.
I love it so much, it looks magnificent also forty years later !
A bit of story
Ferrari built only three 0868 , 0870 & 0872 , the first two are "barchetta" (spider cars), the third one was a coupé, but all of them were more unhappy than they look wonderful !
The 0870 scored DNF at the 1969 Monza 1000 Km (Amon-Andretti), 2nd overall at Spa 1000 Km (Rodriguez-Piper) , another DNF at Nurburgring (Amon-Rodriguez).
Then was converted in a coupé for Le Mans (DNF Rodriguez-Piper again).
After Le Mans Enzo ferrari sold it to Luigi Chinetti and under the NART colours the 312P was 5th overall at Bridgehampton '69 (Rodriguez), 5th overall Daytona '70 (Piper-Adamowicz) then scored a DNF at Sebring 12 Hours '70.
In the same year Pierer Bardinon bought it for Mas du Clos.
The 0868 was damaged in Vallelunga Test, early in the season, and didn't race in the Daytona 24 Hours '69, then it scored 2nd overall at Sebring 12Hours (Amon-Andretti) and 4th overall at 500 Km Brands Hatch (Amon-Rodriguez).
During the Monza 1000 Km race it was destroyed in an accident, taken back to the Maranello factory, disassembled and never rebuilt as 312 P, but converted (?) in a 512 "speciale", a "concept car".
The 0872 car had a very strange life.
In his first race, the 24 hours of Le Mans '69, had an accident in the very early laps of the race (collided with the wreckage of the Porsche 917 of John Woolf's fatal accident).
Chinetti bought and restored it for NART.
In 1970 season this car, "with a roof bubble fitted for Mike Parkes" , was 4th overall at Daytona (Parkes-Posey), then 6th overall at Sebring (Parkes-Parsons).
After a NC at Le Mans (Adamowicz-Parsons) the car turned into a spider, rear and front end was replaced and roof completely removed.
In 1971 the car had a completely different look and scored a fifth overall at Daytona (Chinetti Jr-Garcia Veiga) and 8th overall at Sebring (Chinetti Jr-Eaton).
In the spring of 1971 the car was completely dismantled.
I think some parts of this car was bougth by some collectors and may be someone of them tried to restore it.

#14 philippe7

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Posted 06 October 2007 - 07:41

Originally posted by Fr@nk
After a NC at Le Mans (Adamowicz-Parsons) the car turned into a spider, rear and front end was replaced and roof completely removed.
In 1971 the car had a completely different look and scored a fifth overall at Daytona (Chinetti Jr-Garcia Veiga) and 8th overall at Sebring (Chinetti Jr-Eaton).
In the spring of 1971 the car was completely dismantled.
I think some parts of this car was bougth by some collectors and may be someone of them tried to restore it.

I thought I remembered that there had been two versions of the spider, the 1971 bodywork was with a very short front and rear part, à la Alfa 33TT or Porsche 908/3 style . But I had seen photos of another ( later) bodywork with longer front and rear appendices, looking vey much alike the new factory 312PB which had appeared in 1971 . I haven't been able to find pics on the net , however Martin Krejci's site confirms that a NART 312P did take part in the 1972 Daytona 6 hours, driven by Chinetti Jr and George Eaton - and retired very early with a "holed fuel tank" . Didn't appear later at Sebring though , unlike the previous year...So it may be in the spring of 1972 that the car was finally dismantled.

http://wsrp.ic.cz/wsc1972.html#2

#15 Phigr7

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Posted 06 October 2007 - 09:32

According to the french magazine "Auto Pasion" and the book "Scarlet Passion", 0868 ran at Le Mans in 1969 (#19. Amon-Schetti)

0872 at Daytona 71

#16 Bruno

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Posted 06 October 2007 - 11:23

Le Mans 1969:
312 P "0872" Amon/Schetty n° 19

#17 P 4 Staff

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Posted 06 October 2007 - 12:54

May I recommend you reading my friend Tonys site...I guarantee you it´s very interesting. :smoking:

http://www.a2zracer.com/page21.html

Best: Staffan

#18 philippe7

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Posted 06 October 2007 - 17:17

Originally posted by Phigr7

0872 finished 9th in the 1974 24 Hours of Le Mans, with Andruet & Zeccolli.

Bon sang , mais c'est bien sur....I knew there was a sequel to this car's career , and here it is indeed...Le Mans 1974....this is the "second" bodywork version I was alluding to, very 312PB-similar.

#19 mcerqueira

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Posted 06 October 2007 - 18:12

Anyone own "Ferrari 312 & 512 Racing cars", by Ian Bamsey? Scags?

Quite expensive and hard to get so it would be nice to know a little bit more more about the book. Good photos? All B&W or some colour? is it a good read?

#20 klemcoll

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Posted 06 October 2007 - 20:44

OK, guys here's the real history:

Fr@nk is generally correct as to 0868 and 0870 and that old "Auto Passion" article is also pretty close to correct.

However, 0870 and 0872 were both taken to the 1970 Le Mans by Chinetti's NART, both having been purchased by him from Ferrari in 1969. 0870 was sold to Pierre Bardinon before the race and he still has it today in his Mas du Clos museum near Aubusson.

0872 is a complicated tale. It was built new as a berlinetta and renumbered 0868 for the 1969 Le Mans race so as to match the existing Le Mans paperwork for the damaged 0868. It did less than one lap of the race. After Le Mans it got its 0872 number back and was sold to Chinetti with 0870. It ran in the U.S. at the Bridgehampton Can-Am race in the fall of 1969 with Rodriguez driving (5th o/a) and then appeared at the next year's Daytona 24 Hours (Parkes/Posey - 4th o/a) and at Sebring (Parkes/Parsons - 6th o/a) before returning for the 1970 Le Mans (Adamowicz/Parsons - ncf).

After the 1970 Le Mans, Wayne Sparling, probably one of the greatest race car fabricators there is, built a lightweight aluminum spyder body to replace the rather heavy fiberglass body of 0872. In this form 0872 appeared at the 1971 Daytona 24 Hours (Chinetti Jr./Garcia Veiga - 5th o/a) and again at Sebring (Chinetti Jr./Eaton - 8th o/a).

Then Sparling built a new chassis for 0872 and a new fiberglass body, looking somewhat like a 312PB. On this chassis was mounted the motor, transaxle and suspension from 0872. Sparling put the chassis tag from 0872 on this special which had the following race history:

1972 Daytona 6 Hours (Chinetti Jr./Eaton - dnf); 1974 Le Mans 24 Hours (Andruet/Zeccoli - 9th o/a).

As you can see, the components of 0872 got a lot of use.

In the early 1980s some friends of mine acquired the Sparling special and also the original chassis of 0872 which had been retained by Chinetti. The special was stripped completely and its chassis and body were sold off, the chassis tag being put back where it started. Subsequently, the special has appeared in a few historic races, now using a modified Ferrari 330 motor, a Hewland transaxle, Lola suspension, etc.

Over a period of some years 0872 was rebuilt on its original chassis with all of its original mechanical components. New bodies were built in fiberglass to the original design (using the discarded original panels to make molds) in both a berlinetta and a spider configuration. The restored 0872 is back the way it was in 1969 and now resides with a prominent Swiss collector.

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 09:59

Originally posted by mcerqueira
Anyone own "Ferrari 312 & 512 Racing cars", by Ian Bamsey? Scags? Quite expensive and hard to get so it would be nice to know a little bit more more about the book. Good photos? All B&W or some colour? is it a good read?

I bought it when it was released. I was disapointed with the poor coverage ot the 1971 season. The author seemed to forget that there were private 512M, talking almost only of the 312.
Let's say it's a book about the factory cars. About 35 color pics, the rest in b&w. I don't have special memories about the text, sorry.
Some better books were published a couple of years ago, "Scarlet Passion" & "Ferrari Prototype Era", there was also a nice little one aabout the 512, "Kimberley's Racing Sportscar Guide #2 Ferrari 512", by Nathan Beehl.

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 21:01

I also bought it new. It's not bad, but I would'nt spend a lot of money for it. You get a fair amount of color, but the whole book is only 160 pages.

#23 Paul Medici

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 18:13

I took this of the lovely N.A.R.T. Ferrari 312P at the Bridge in 1969.
McLaren had the race won but my wife and I were still cheering for Pedro and Luigi !!

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#24 charles r

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 22:40

stunning.

#25 scags

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 22:53

It looks like a flattened out p4, but great!

#26 T54

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Posted 21 August 2008 - 15:46

In 1969 I was a consultant for the Solido die-cast company in France and pushed them to make this coupe in the 1/43 scale. I made the pattern and the toy/model, complete with a perfect-fit opening engine cover appeared on the market in early 1970. They did a pretty good job of it considering the tiny size of the model. One of my all-time favorite racing cars...

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#27 D-Type

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Posted 21 August 2008 - 15:55

I love the overall lines, but the front wheel arch appears to have a strange shape.

#28 ibsenop

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 00:24

Those are links to my illustrations of the Ferrari 312P Coupe and Spyder

http://images30.fotk...riguezPiper.jpg
http://images32.fotk...driguez_V13.jpg

I hope you enjoy it!

Ibsen

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 01:24

Looks very accurate and quite beautifully done. When I did the toy, I just drew it from aouple of photos because... we had nothing else then! :

#30 Arjan de Roos

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 08:15

Good information about his own experiences is on Tony's site *) :

http://www.a2zracer.com/page29.html
http://www.a2zracer.com/page30.html
http://www.a2zracer.com/page31.html
http://www.a2zracer.com/page32.html
http://www.a2zracer.com/page33.html
http://www.a2zracer.com/page34.html
http://www.a2zracer.com/page35.html
http://www.a2zracer.com/page36.html

Try page 35 for the sound bit (!)

*) Of course all regular TNF-ers know it by heart

#31 aldo

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 11:08

I can add that 0872 was raced at Laguna Seca and shown at Pebble Beach by the Swiss owners, two weeks ago. What a car!

#32 Jerome

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 11:54

Originally posted by Arjan de Roos
Good information about his own experiences is on Tony's site *

http://www.a2zracer.com/page29.html
http://www.a2zracer.com/page30.html
http://www.a2zracer.com/page31.html
http://www.a2zracer.com/page32.html
http://www.a2zracer.com/page33.html
http://www.a2zracer.com/page34.html
http://www.a2zracer.com/page35.html
http://www.a2zracer.com/page36.html

Try page 35 for the sound bit (!)

*) Of course all regular TNF-ers know it by heart

Fantastic website, fantastic car. The most beautifull endurance car, ever. Gosh...

#33 Wouter Melissen

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 14:10

0872 has been restored to its Coupe spec apparently to be eligible for a certificate.

It appeared at Pebble:
http://www.ultimatec...y.php?num=13301

And was also one of the stars of the Monterey Historics:
http://www.ultimatec...bile-Races.html

#34 Jerome

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 14:41

Originally posted by Wouter Melissen
0872 has been restored to its Coupe spec apparently to be eligible for a certificate.

It appeared at Pebble:
http://www.ultimatec...y.php?num=13301

And was also one of the stars of the Monterey Historics:
http://www.ultimatec...bile-Races.html

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You know, this is probably the first racing car that looks too good to be real good!

#35 Wouter Melissen

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 16:25

Originally posted by Jerome
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You know, this is probably the first racing car that looks too good to be real good!

It actually wasn't half bad, but a bit overshadowed by the 512 and of course 917.

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Posted 10 July 2009 - 05:26

There is a 1972 Ferrari/Sparling 312P NART that will be running at Portland Raceway this weekend at the Portland Historic Races. Is this one of the original cars or a completely rebuilt look alike?

Photos will be posted in the next couple weeks.

#37 Giraffe

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Posted 10 July 2009 - 09:25

By giraffe138, shot with EX-M2 at 2009-07-10

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By giraffe138 at 2009-07-10

Arnold Meier's 312P photographed a week ago today at Goodwood. This 1969 car was rebuilt as a Spyder in the US in 1970, and then re-built as a coupe' in 2002. It was driven last weekend by British Hillclimb Champion, David Franklin.

Edited by Giraffe, 10 July 2009 - 09:40.

#38 Hamish Robson

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Posted 10 July 2009 - 09:57

God what a beautiful car that really is:

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#39 Arjan de Roos

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Posted 10 July 2009 - 10:40

Don't tell me that the vertical iron plate is part of the timing system...

#40 Giraffe

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Posted 10 July 2009 - 10:44

Don't tell me that the vertical iron plate is part of the timing system...

You've obviously never been to a Hillclimb Meeting, Arjan? (If you are from Holland, that might explain it!) :lol:

Edited by Giraffe, 10 July 2009 - 10:45.

#41 Pedro 917

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Posted 10 July 2009 - 13:04

Here are "some" pictures of 0872 from last week's Festival. David Franklin told me it was a joy to drive. And what a sound.... :stoned:

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Posted 10 July 2009 - 13:07

Luc - Thanks for the beautiful pictures of one of my favorites.

Brian

#43 Arjan de Roos

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Posted 10 July 2009 - 13:08

You've obviously never been to a Hillclimb Meeting, Arjan? (If you are from Holland, that might explain it!)

Indeed, the flat lands where today we see who will visit us tomorrow.

#44 AlMark

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Posted 10 July 2009 - 15:56

I took this of the lovely N.A.R.T. Ferrari 312P at the Bridge in 1969.
McLaren had the race won but my wife and I were still cheering for Pedro and Luigi !!

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My version:

http://public.fotki....dgehampton.html

Hit "Next" for more poor photos of it.

#45 Dennis Hockenbury

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Posted 10 July 2009 - 20:51

I thought that I would add a few photos of 0872 undressed last weekend at the FOS

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#46 klemcoll

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Posted 10 July 2009 - 23:26

There is a 1972 Ferrari/Sparling 312P NART that will be running at Portland Raceway this weekend at the Portland Historic Races. Is this one of the original cars or a completely rebuilt look alike?

Photos will be posted in the next couple weeks.

That car has a chassis and body built over the winter of 1971 by the great Wayne Sparling for Chinetti and ran with the 312P engine, transaxle and suspension of 0872 from 1972 until around 1982 when we acquired all but its chassis and body together with the original chassis of 0872, which had been retained by Chinetti and thereafter by one of his mechanics, François Sicard. We then began one of the longest drawn out restorations ever. The resulting 0872 which is now completely original except for reproduction bodywork (in both berlinetta and spyder configurations) is the car seen at Goodwood last weekend. It is the car driven less than a lap by Chris Amon at Le Mans in 1969.

After its disassembly in 1982, the Sparling car was then sold to a gentleman in Tennessee who fitted it with a modified 330GT motor, a Hewland transaxle and Lola suspension. I do not know if it has those same components today, but there is just about nothing original 312P on it.