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#1 Christian Szymczak

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:15

Wow that turned out to be a great race! At first I was bored but then it got exciting.

Great job to McLaren of course, with Lewis taking an easy win. Kovy surprised a little bit by showing some good pace and consistency.

Congrats to Heidfeld and Rosberg as well.

Lets discuss this 1st race!

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#2 ensign14

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:16

Well, we can now see where Ferrari's advantage came in recent years - traction control. Massa made Vittorio Brambilla look like a tightrope walker, he didn't even make the first corner without effing it up.

Hamilton peerless, Kekinho on the podium, and Seabass was the star of the race. Had he been in the combined IRL this year he'd've ftw. Who would have thought the best Ferrari would have been expiring in the back of a Toro Rosso?

Two panic safety cars that affected things...

And Piquet and Nakajima suggesting that driving ability is not hereditary. Kazuki gets the Baumgartner Award for lucky point scoring, took out both Davidson and Kubica with erratic driving.

#3 bystander31

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:17

Lewis's superior mind management will win him this championship. Ferrari fail big time.

Iceman melts in the heat

#4 ZZMS

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:17

Originally posted by ensign14
Well, we can now see where Ferrari's advantage came in recent years - traction control. Massa made Vittorio Brambilla look like a tightrope walker, he didn't even make the first corner without effing it up.


Kimi didn't fare any better, in fact he made a bigger fool of himself...

#5 jokuvaan

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:17

Kimi made very risky and fantastic rise until tried to overtake Kovalainen. It remains to see what caused the final stop.

Safety car lottery didnt pay well for Kimi or Heikki at the end.

#6 Jacquesback

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:17

Lewis. :up:
Sebastien. :up:
Nico. :up:
Nick. :up:

Ferrari. :clap:

#7 Ricardo F1

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:18

Well clearly Hamilton will struggle without traction control. . . .

McLaren brilliant!!! Heikki so unlucky. Massa a walking disaster. Kimi . . . :confused:

#8 padawan

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:18

Sebastian :eek:

#9 Tigershark

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:19

Ferrari suspicious; way too many failures. Dismal performance from both drivers who looked no better than rookies today. :down:

Kubica seemed to have a strange strategy, perhaps hindered by the many SC situations. But nevertheless, a solid performance by BMW, Williams and surprisingly Honda who suffered from the actions of Barrichello. Solid debut for Bourdais, shame it had to end the way it did.

#10 Atreiu

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:19

The is so 90's:

- McLaren and Williams at the front;
- Ferrari messing up big more than once;
- Dennis playing before the podium like he did with Senna at times;
- lots of attrition and DNFs;
- powerslides;
- overtaking...

They can keep like this for the rest of the seaosn and I'll be very pleased!

#11 f1seb

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:20

BMW is a weird car. Seemed like with every lap that went by Roberts car was going slower and slower. And he had about the same level of fuel as Hammy since they only pitted 1 lap apart, just weird.

Oh yeah Nakajima :down: :down:

#12 marcinito

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:20

indeed it was an exciting race.. up to some point.
but then it became a joke, a circus... my god... what the hell was that?

congratulations bernie! well done...

good job for:
Sebastian Bourdais
Nick Heidfeld
Lewis Hamilton
Fernando Alonso

Robert Kubica... I must honestly say that it was a HUGE disappointment to see his racing today. I don't know what has happened to his car, he didn't have pace and he didn't have it right from the start. Bad strategy..? And the pitlane crash with Nakajima on top... Really sad.

#13 Vilenova

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:21

Excellent race by Bourdais.

Hamilton will be hard to beat if he continues this dominating form. I wouldn't mind seeing him win it all.


Ferrari screwed up on so many levels, I don't know where to start. And that has to be one of the worst drives of Kimi's career.

#14 i.am.cloned

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:22

Awful race for Ferrari. WTF it was with Kimi not pitting under SK with everybody but opting for stupid restart overtaking attempt?! And Massa - too many errors. And they also responsible for Seb loosing 4 place (because of engine)!

#15 Claudius

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:23

Hamilton :up: :up:
Rosberg :up: :up:
Alonso :up: :up:
Heikki :up:


I was very impressed with Alonso today. He saved his car when he had to and pushed when he had to. Without making a mistake. Great drive.

#16 Domination

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:24

Kimi lucky to get a point.
Kova unlucky to not finish second.
Bourdais unlucky to not finish 4th.

#17 kNt

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:24

:up: : Alonso, everyone staying in the race, Williams, McLaren

:up: :down: Kovalainen for loosing it again against Alsonso, would've been second if not for the SC though

:down: Ferrari, Massa, Raikonnen - victims of no more TC, Nakajima for hitting Kubica

great race :up:, finally some unreliability again.

#18 MPea3

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:24

Lewis driving like a champion and BMW has done a good job after all. Rosberg excellent, hopefully we'll see more success from Williams this year. Seabass the fun and feel good story of the race. Alonso looked like a champion hauling the Renault around for those who insist it's all about the driver.

Ferrari? Sad race.

#19 vaavu

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:24

Two safety cars ruined first kimi's race and then heikki's race thereafter. Of course it did not help that kimi went off-track, but he would have ended dead last anyway. He had to come in for fuel right after the safety car episode.

Hammy had an easy win today. Both safety cars were deployed after he had made his pit stops. Anyway, he was flawless today. :up:

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#20 Tigershark

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:24

Originally posted by Claudius
I was very impressed with Alonso today. He saved his car when he had to and pushed when he had to. Without making a mistake. Great drive.

Yeah, Alonso was really on the edge today. It was great to watch, a well deserved points finish! :up:

#21 i.am.cloned

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:24

Originally posted by Claudius
I was very impressed with Alonso today. He saved his car when he had to and pushed when he had to. Without making a mistake. Great drive. [/B]

He wasn't champion for nothing! Good drive for him today.

Also Hekki was better than I personally exepected.

#22 SlateGray

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:24

Alonso Driver of the race :up:

SeaBass :up:

Compentent effort from Hamilton manages to win from pole with the best car in the field and HK playing backdoor bitch.

#23 Domination

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:24

Originally posted by i.am.cloned
And Massa - too many errors.

I think Kimi made more mistakes than Massa.

#24 Durant

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:25

Originally posted by Ricardo F1
Well clearly Hamilton will struggle without traction control. . . .
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Who did he have to race? His team mate was clearly fueled to keep him out of the way plus he was slow and his other rivals made mistakes. That Renault was rubbish yet Alonso made it to 4th, they need to get him in a ferrari asap.
Kubica does nothing in the race as usual hes very overrated, just fades away.

#25 Formulaonefan

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:25

I like McLarens number two driver policy, excellent Kova quicker with more fuel what else to say how much llonger was his first stint

#26 i.am.cloned

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:26

Originally posted by Domination

I think Kimi made more mistakes than Massa.

They made 2 mistakes each in fact.

#27 Vilenova

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:27

BTW, Piquet was slow. :rolleyes:

#28 pacwest

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:27

Ferrari = gruesome start

The cars seem awfully fragile this year. Smooth and smart will win races. Hamilton shone and has clearly adapted better than Kimi.

Kimi has his work cut out for him.

#29 fnz

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:28

Originally posted by vaavu
Two safety cars ruined first kimi's race and then heikki's race thereafter. Of course it did not help that kimi went off-track, but he would have ended dead last anyway. He had to come in for fuel right after the safety car episode.

Hammy had an easy win today. Both safety cars were deployed after he had made his pit stops. Anyway, he was flawless today. :up:


kimi ruined his own race. made 2 major mistakes.

#30 kodandaram

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:28

Podium celebrations was very good to see - there was genuine appreciation between Rosberg and Hamilton . :up:

Great day for Nico and Williams - although they should be thanking their stars for getting the last point from Nakajima .


Boneheaded move of the day goes to Massa - absolutely peerless dirving today - from the first corner - he spun on his own and immediately compromised Ferraris championship hopes.
He was the lead ferrari and the least he could do was come him in the top 4 . But no - he went off in the first corner of the first lap - all by himself .
Then the move on DC - he was already very tight there ..you cant expect all the drivers to give you room all the time ... it was avoidable.

Ferrari really got whupped today - they might not have felt this bad since Michael Schumacher struggled to haul that Ferrari around Hungaroring into 8th place finish in 2005 .


After all the hype in winter testing - Ferrari seemingly ahead of everybody and all - look at what happened here - they were totally outclassed in pace in qualifying and race and came home with zero points plus zero reliability.

Bourdais - very sad that he lost P4 but he still scored a point on debut.

Kimi - disastrous way to start the title defence ....and he made two driving errors - a day to forget.







HOWEVER - having said all that - Albert park has never been a true indicator of the the seasons form . Malaysia must reveal more ..

#31 kar

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:28

Running 1 stop, in constant traffic I don't think Kimi was that bad. In fact his pace was quite impressive actually.

But Ferrari need to do better in qualifying or they are going to be under pressure like this all the time :(

#32 ensign14

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:28

Originally posted by Durant


Who did he have to race? His team mate was clearly fueled to keep him out of the way plus he was slow and his other rivals made mistakes.

Yes, it's obvious Hamilton is in a class of his own.

#33 pacwest

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:29

Originally posted by SlateGray
Alonso Driver of the race :up:


Now I'm convinced you sniff glue. Bad glue.

#34 Raelene

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:29

action paced race

well done to LH
Well done Honda, pity RB will get DQ'd
super bad luck for Bourdais - great race until then
Well done heidfeld and Rosberg
Rookie mistakes from KR
Heikki - why not go on the attack after the second safety car....hmm, looked like he was playing number 2 today.

#35 i.am.cloned

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:30

And why Baricello wasn't disqualified for SK pit as was Massa last year?

#36 ZZMS

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:30

Originally posted by i.am.cloned
They made 2 mistakes each in fact.



DC-FM incident wasn't Massa's mistake.

#37 kar

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:30

Originally posted by pacwest
Ferrari = gruesome start

The cars seem awfully fragile this year. Smooth and smart will win races. Hamilton shone and has clearly adapted better than Kimi.

Kimi has his work cut out for him.


'Clearly'? You judge that from what exactly?

Kimi being in traffic struggling more than Lewis in clean air?

Great comparison mate.

#38 SlateGray

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:31

Originally posted by ensign14

Yes, it's obvious Hamilton is in a class of his own.

The car is in a class of it's own any compentent F1 driver would win from pole with that mac

#39 LzR

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:31

Heikki, would've propably won without the last SC :up: :up:
Bourdais, great drive until the engine said boom :up: :up:
Hamilton, great win, equal speed with Heikki (fuel corrected) :up:
Alonso, benefited from the safety cars, but still decent pace :up:
Kimi, great driving until he tried to overtake HK with worn tyres... :down:
Massa, just horrible race :down: :down:

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#40 Chui

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:31

Hamilton is spookily composed and Godawfully quick. God certainly didn't waste any talent on him...

At any rate, Sebastian Bourdais did exceptionally well, as did Heidfeld, Rosberg Kovaleinin and Alonso.

Honda showed some form today despite the other issues.

Scuderia Ferari is quick, obviously but there are a few things to sort out yet.

#41 Pikku Pakkanen

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:31

Heikki's quali was FANTASTIC! 4 laps more fuel than Hamilton!

Without the last safety car he would have won!

Ferrari... :(

#42 Yellowmc

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:31

I think, come the next race, Ferrari will be back on form.

Kimi made some wrong decisions today but he will come away from it better, his mistakes were nowhere near as bad as Felipe's who just simply struggled.

What was the problem at the end? Engine failure for both?

Good race for Lewis, Fernando, Nico and Sebastian.

Heikki deserved more luck, could easily have had 2nd.

#43 pacwest

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:31

Originally posted by kar


'Clearly'? You judge that from what exactly?

Kimi being in traffic struggling more than Lewis in clean air?

Great comparison mate.


Engine braking. Duh. Keeping hot rubber on asphalt rather than grass. :rolleyes:

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:32

Originally posted by Tigershark

Yeah, Alonso was really on the edge today. It was great to watch, a well deserved points finish! :up:


Yeah credit where its due, Alonso showed a good bit of mongrel, pushed hard in the end by a very unlucky Heikki.

One of those races for Ferrari, they would hope the only one for this season.

But Lewis did it by the book.

#45 fnz

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:32

Originally posted by kar
Running 1 stop, in constant traffic I don't think Kimi was that bad. In fact his pace was quite impressive actually.

But Ferrari need to do better in qualifying or they are going to be under pressure like this all the time :(


His pace was good, no word about that. But he clearly made 2 big errors

#46 mariuszek

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:32

Originally posted by marcinito
Robert Kubica... I must honestly say that it was a HUGE disappointment to see his racing today. I don't know what has happened to his car, he didn't have pace and he didn't have it right from the start. Bad strategy..? And the pitlane crash with Nakajima on top... Really sad.

Well he was ahead of Heidfeld after the first round of pitstops, then suddenly the team called him in and refuelled till the end in the middle of the race :confused:
And then Nakajima drove into the back of him :

#47 niallmckiernan

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:32

El Nano!!! Fernando!!!

highlight of the race - watching ron dennis' evil smile in a replay when kovallinen passed Alonso and realizing then that Alonso retook 4th place!! :clap: :lol: :rotfl: :p :cat: :D ;) :) :drunk: :stoned: :kiss: :up: :up: :cool:

#48 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:33

Originally posted by i.am.cloned
They made 2 mistakes each in fact.


2!?

Kimi went across gravel trap, had a spin and then had another spin didn't he?

#49 Chui

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:33

Originally posted by Pikku Pakkanen
Heikki's quali was FANTASTIC! 4 laps more fuel than Hamilton!

Without the last safety car he would have won!

Ferrari... :(


I woke up about four laps before Hamilton pitted and noticed the same thing - 4 laps, eh... Very interesting and very good. Should be a remarkable season for McLaren.

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 06:33

Originally posted by Pikku Pakkanen
Heikki's quali was FANTASTIC! 4 laps more fuel than Hamilton!

Without the last safety car he would have won!

Ferrari... :(


Hamilton said he was pitted early in both stints. Wonder why they didnt do that with his team mate..