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#101 mowaru

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 01:04

Originally posted by Jason
Anyone here remember Sato's pass on Alonso last year? Keep in mind Sato's chassis was a year old at the time.

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related


I remember that race ... Alonso's tyres were not in the best condition ... you only need to see the previous laps to see how he has to brake way before because his tyres are not in good shape ... that's the key to Sato's overtaking

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#102 Josta

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 01:12

Originally posted by le chat noir


i'll actually answer this too, as my questions never will be.

who is a better driver?

well, better at pedalling? alonso for now by a shade.

better at PR? kovi by 100 yards.

better at setup? alonso from experience, the advantage rapidly diminishing probably to nil.

better at team relations? kovi by 1000 yards.

who's the better known prospect? alonso

who has more potential? kovi

who's known to be flawed? alonso

who to give a five year contract to? kovi, for the guarantees of what he'll do, harmoniously, with big potential to far exceed expectations.


Pedalling??? Sorry, English clearly isn't your first language so I will forgive you for talking total bullshit.

PR? God give me a driver that isn't a corporate whore.

Setup? Alonso by a mile. Not quite sure what you mean by it diminishing. Renault clearly are happier with Alonso giving setup tips.

Team relations? What the **** does that mean? A team will be happy with a driver that can deliver. full stop. McLaren are happy with Heikki now because he is more than happy to play bitch to golden boy Lewis. Let's see how happy McLaren are with Heikki when he stops playing the part of Bitch.

Potential? Alonso won a race in a car that was worse than the R27. Heikki can't even get on the podium in a car that is the class of the field.

Flawed? Who would you rather drive for you? A driver who wins races and championships, or a nice guy who can't even beat slower cars in a race?

Who to give a 5 year contract to? Well so far that is Lewis, but Kovi would prove to be the ideal guy to give that to. Much like Barichello and Irvine, the ideal guy who will take being the bitch for his career and never threaten the golden boy. Why do you think Coulthard got the McLaren gig for so long?

In short, nobody will ever get to win a championship in a McLaren that isn't called Hamilton. Ron has invested too much money to make it otherwise. Even Montoya said the same thing. He said that he instantly felt sorry for Alonso when he heard that Lewis would be his teammate. Because Lewis was the McLaren golden boy and always will be. How many other teams would openly state that they are playing against their own guy??

The fact that Alonso managed equal points with St Lewis at McLaren is the biggest achievement of his career IMHO. It is sort of like being equal with Jesus in team God!!!

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 01:25

Originally posted by Josta


Pedalling??? Sorry, English clearly isn't your first language so I will forgive you for talking total bullshit.

PR? God give me a driver that isn't a corporate whore.

Setup? Alonso by a mile. Not quite sure what you mean by it diminishing. Renault clearly are happier with Alonso giving setup tips.

Team relations? What the **** does that mean? A team will be happy with a driver that can deliver. full stop. McLaren are happy with Heikki now because he is more than happy to play bitch to golden boy Lewis. Let's see how happy McLaren are with Heikki when he stops playing the part of Bitch.

Potential? Alonso won a race in a car that was worse than the R27. Heikki can't even get on the podium in a car that is the class of the field.

Flawed? Who would you rather drive for you? A driver who wins races and championships, or a nice guy who can't even beat slower cars in a race?

Who to give a 5 year contract to? Well so far that is Lewis, but Kovi would prove to be the ideal guy to give that to. Much like Barichello and Irvine, the ideal guy who will take being the bitch for his career and never threaten the golden boy. Why do you think Coulthard got the McLaren gig for so long?

In short, nobody will ever get to win a championship in a McLaren that isn't called Hamilton. Ron has invested too much money to make it otherwise. Even Montoya said the same thing. He said that he instantly felt sorry for Alonso when he heard that Lewis would be his teammate. Because Lewis was the McLaren golden boy and always will be. How many other teams would openly state that they are playing against their own guy??

The fact that Alonso managed equal points with St Lewis at McLaren is the biggest achievement of his career IMHO. It is sort of like being equal with Jesus in team God!!!


what makes you think that?

i mean by - the advantage rapidly diminishing probably to nil - that alonso's advantage in setup skills over kovalainen will diminish as kovalainen gets better. he will get better at a faster rate than alonso as he has more to learn. he will probably reduce the advantage to nil. what were you saying about language skills again?

pr - for the public yes, for the team, usually not. to whom does it matter who is 'better' ultimately? the teams, not the public.

team relations - means how he relates to the team. does he sulk in the corner, moan to the media or knuckle down with the work and settle in harmoniously. a team will be happy with a driver that delivers, true, they'll be happier with one that delivers and is a breeze to work with. and if there's one out there to replace the other, they'll go out to get him, as great things can be done - see MS and Ferrari.

Alonso won in a poor car after many races of driving it, awaiting the opportunity. Heikki has had one race in the McLaren - if that is the car to which you refer - and it is yet to be seen if it is the class in the field. the ferrari looked pretty handy too. a bit fast to judge one this. and even so, it looked for a moment like he would steal it from lewis without trying.

um, alonso couldn't beat bourdais...


i thought you didn't like pr answers, and then you have a go at the boss being open with the media in a way one wouldn't expect and many here didn't and don't understand. its not the time to educatie you on the meaning of that comment though.

#104 mowaru

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 01:27

Originally posted by Josta

The fact that Alonso managed equal points with St Lewis at McLaren is the biggest achievement of his career IMHO. It is sort of like being equal with Jesus in team God!!!


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 01:32

Originally posted by Josta
The fact that Alonso managed equal points with St Lewis at McLaren is the biggest achievement of his career IMHO. It is sort of like being equal with Jesus in team God!!!


:rotfl:

Thanks for giving me the laugh of the day! :kiss:

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 06:06

Originally posted by Josta


Pedalling??? Sorry, English clearly isn't your first language so I will forgive you for talking total bullshit.


The very fact that you don't understand the term suggests it is you that struggles with English.

Setup? Alonso by a mile. Not quite sure what you mean by it diminishing. Renault clearly are happier with Alonso giving setup tips.



And yet Renault are further down the grid compared to a year ago. I rather doubt they are overly happy with that. Meanwhile Mclaren appear to have come on leaps and bounds now setup work has passed to the new drivers. You can't argue with this.


Team relations? What the **** does that mean? A team will be happy with a driver that can deliver. full stop. McLaren are happy with Heikki now because he is more than happy to play bitch to golden boy Lewis. Let's see how happy McLaren are with Heikki when he stops playing the part of Bitch.



Wow you are a charmer aren't you. Lest we forget, Fred cannot stay mentally stable enough to drive properly unless provided with said bitch to make him look good in the cockpit. Why else do you think he's no longer driving for a top team?


Potential? Alonso won a race in a car that was worse than the R27. Heikki can't even get on the podium in a car that is the class of the field.



Kova owned Fisichella in the second half of his rookie season every bit as much as Fred could in his third. Kova will only improve. Alonso's career appears to be on a downward slope at the moment.


Flawed? Who would you rather drive for you? A driver who wins races and championships, or a nice guy who can't even beat slower cars in a race?



A nice guy. One that doesn't blackmail me, lie, cheat and cost my company millions of dollars. I already have a driver who has proven to be quicker than the flawed WDC anyway.


Who to give a 5 year contract to? Well so far that is Lewis, but Kovi would prove to be the ideal guy to give that to. Much like Barichello and Irvine, the ideal guy who will take being the bitch for his career and never threaten the golden boy. Why do you think Coulthard got the McLaren gig for so long?



Just as Kova could not be kept at Renault because Fred needed his ego massaged by someone like Nelsihno?


In short, nobody will ever get to win a championship in a McLaren that isn't called Hamilton. Ron has invested too much money to make it otherwise. Even Montoya said the same thing. He said that he instantly felt sorry for Alonso when he heard that Lewis would be his teammate. Because Lewis was the McLaren golden boy and always will be. How many other teams would openly state that they are playing against their own guy??



Lewis is F1's new golden boy - not just Mclaren's. He's mighty quick. That's what really seems to be hurting people like you. That your chap didn't get to dominate MS style before the class of '85 came along to usurp him. But bitterness is like a poison that causes only self harm so it might be better for all if you deal with it sooner rather than later.

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 06:31

Why is everyone talking about how easy Heikki overtook Alonso? Kovalainen post the fastest lap of the race, even faster than Hamilton's best, c'mon. Alonso drove a brilliant race considering where he qualified and the overall performance of the Renaults on the entire weekend. The aggressive driving style is always the preffered to watch too.

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 07:29

Originally posted by Jason

If Alonso is smart, he'll stay at Renault. When Michael Schumacher joined Ferrari they weren't a top team, but he stayed there and help make them at top team. Alonso should do the same thing at Renault.


He already did that. I dont think he should do it again. He finally deserves some top class machinery like a Ferrari.

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 07:38

Originally posted by airwise

Lewis is F1's new golden boy - not just Mclaren's. He's mighty quick. That's what really seems to be hurting people like you. That your chap didn't get to dominate MS style before the class of '85 came along to usurp him. But bitterness is like a poison that causes only self harm so it might be better for all if you deal with it sooner rather than later.


Call him whatever you want but he has no F1 WC to his name and thats all that counts. So far this year he proved he can blow off williams and bmw. Lets see how he goes when he actually has to race someone in comparable machinery.

Its ironic that the most bitter alonso basher on the planet is dishing out bitterness managment tips. Your still bitter he sent your other boy Schumacher out of f1 a loser right?

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 07:44

Originally posted by kar


I have to say I'm a bigger fan of Alonso for his wonderfully combative drive today than I ever was during his two title seasons.

He is going to be be tremendously good to watch this season.

I would consider a podium finish by Alonso as a great accomplishment this year. R28 is not yet a race winning car, and probably won't be a race winner in 2008. No chance whatsoever to mix it up with McLaren and Ferrari, but probably with a decent fighting chance of taking on BMW for the 3rd spot in WCC

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 08:16

He drove a great race in Melbourne, but there were other drivers as good as him with similarly weak cars, or even weeker (I don't think the Honda or the Toro Rosso are better cars than the Renault, for example, I'm not even sure the Williams is a better car). Thing is this was a chaotic race which always allows drivers to shine in lesser cars. 6 cars finished the race and out of those Alonso was 4th. He drove a great race but to talk about a "wonder" he did and all that stuff is just fanboy talk.

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 08:25

Originally posted by airwise
Let's look at the facts.

10 drivers started in front of Fred.

5 of them retired from the race putting him nett 6th

1 was given a stop go penalty dropping him out of contention. Alonso nett 5th.

1 was screwed by safety car, overtook Fred with ease, then made simple error letting Alonso inherit position on last lap. Nett 4th.

Actual finishing position 4th. Nett 4th.

Fastest lap. Lap 58. Seventh fastest.

Verdict :Cruise and collect. Untidy at times.

WTF makes people think this was a great drive? Meanwhile Bordais and Kimi both started behind him and should have finished in front of him with similar levels of reliability.


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Posted 18 March 2008 - 16:07

Originally posted by Kelateboy
I would consider a podium finish by Alonso as a great accomplishment this year. R28 is not yet a race winning car, and probably won't be a race winner in 2008. No chance whatsoever to mix it up with McLaren and Ferrari, but probably with a decent fighting chance of taking on BMW for the 3rd spot in WCC

-KBB


The R28 is not in the best shape, but has potential, and I'm sure it'll improve more than the R.Bull, Toro rosso and Williams by the end of the season.

This year is going to be amazing. I'm waiting for drivers like Lewis or Heikki to be chasing a Ferrari and see if McLaren are that superior ... and we're yet to see Lewis winning a race from other position than pole ...

And I hope Piquet to be the driver he was, the one who gave Lewis a hard time in GP2.

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 16:26

Originally posted by airwise
Let's look at the facts.

10 drivers started in front of Fred.

5 of them retired from the race putting him nett 6th

1 was given a stop go penalty dropping him out of contention. Alonso nett 5th.

1 was screwed by safety car, overtook Fred with ease, then made simple error letting Alonso inherit position on last lap. Nett 4th.

Actual finishing position 4th. Nett 4th.

Fastest lap. Lap 58. Seventh fastest.

Verdict :Cruise and collect. Untidy at times.

WTF makes people think this was a great drive? Meanwhile Bordais and Kimi both started behind him and should have finished in front of him with similar levels of reliability.


You have what it's called ... selective memory ...

That happens in two cases:

1) after traumas or hard impacts in the head. Maybe you had a shock when Alonso overtook Heikki in the straight and claimed 4th in his Megane F1 Team.

2) Biased trolls

Selective memory loss

You seem to intentionally avoid to mention the FACT that both SC relegated Alonso to the last position on the grid. So I think it was a mixture of bad and good luck.

So in your opinion Ferrari == Renault or Ferrari < Renault

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 17:40

Originally posted by mowaru


You seem to intentionally avoid to mention the FACT that both SC relegated Alonso to the last position on the grid. So I think it was a mixture of bad and good luck.


No it didn't.

The first safety car dropped him two places but he closed the gap to those who had already stopped in front. Before the second he was running eighth. After it he was running eighth. And again close to drivers previously 30 seconds up the road. I simply cannot see anything other than a nett gain for Alonso from safety cars.

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 18:14

I challenge anyone who think Alonso was really screwed by the SC to come up with a plausible scenario, involving no SC periods, where Alonso finishes 4th or better. The most interesting part will be where you show how he still would have beaten Kovalainen.

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 19:17

Originally posted by Apex
I challenge anyone who think Alonso was really screwed by the SC to come up with a plausible scenario, involving no SC periods, where Alonso finishes 4th or better. The most interesting part will be where you show how he still would have beaten Kovalainen.


Let me think: a plausible scenario where Alonso finishes 4th or better... It's impossible, Alonso'd have to overtake some McLaren and some Ferrari, driving a Renault. And we all know it is impossible.

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 19:21

Originally posted by an1res


Let me think: a plausible scenario where Alonso finishes 4th or better... It's impossible, Alonso'd have to overtake some McLaren and some Ferrari, driving a Renault. And we all know it is impossible.

The Ferraris are no problem. They both retired which puts Alonso in front of them in every scenarios. Unless, somehow, the safety car can be blamed for their retirement.

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 19:38



eheheh :)

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 19:47

I think Alonso drove well, but he did have luck too. Imagine the Ferraris, Red Bulls being there and that 4th place wouldn't have been achieved...

I'm not a fan, but I've always liked his driving, and actually last year I found myself cheering for him.
I really hope he will do great things with that car this year, like a podium or two.
A wet race might be really interesting, without TC, maybe the good drivers in bad cars (Alonso, Button) will shine. That would be spectacular.

Alonso has to be quiet this year - I mean, quiet and humble when it comes to PR, and let the driving do the talking on the track. He has to beat Piquet consistenly and making it obvious throughout the whole season that he's the better driver. If he does that, he may get back some of the respect he lost in 2007.

I think he's a great, really great driver, right up there with Hamilton and Kimi, maybe better, maybe not, but it's sure that he could still won WDCs given the right opportunity. This year will be very important for him; he mustn't lose the faith in himself and in the team, he has to put his head down and just do his job as good as he can. If he does so, the future might be fabulous - remember, he's only 26, there's so much time ahead of him!
But if he gives up and feels the situation is unfair, and starts feeling sorry for himself, it might be the end for him, I seriously think he might even quit F1. He seems to be the type of driver who doesn't really like F1 and is only here because of the racing, just like Kimi.

All in all, this year will be very difficult and very important for him - I hope he comes out of it fine, it would be a shame not to see him in on the top again.

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 20:10

Originally posted by Taxi


eheheh :)


:D

Can't translate the text captions, but as far as picture and music go the advertising people sure tried to milk the "prodigal son" story to the max.

#122 conkeso

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 20:58

Originally posted by as65p


:D

Can't translate the text captions, but as far as picture and music go the advertising people sure tried to milk the "prodigal son" story to the max.


Caption says "everyone's humor changes when you change your car"

It's more like back at home.

#123 chrisj

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 22:36

So in the next few races when the natural order is established, and Alonso is tired of fighting for 7th places, will he start making overtures to Ferrari? Or has that already happened?

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 22:55

Originally posted by conkeso


Caption says "everyone's humor changes when you change your car"

It's more like back at home.


Thanks! :wave: That fits the rest of the ad message.

#125 race addicted

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 22:56

I don't understand the thread-title.

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 23:20

Originally posted by race addicted
I don't understand the thread-title.


:lol:

I think it's meant like that: "Alonso, this race-addict". Like in "devoted to racing".

But I could be wrong.

BTW you're her three years longer than me and still worry about thread titles? I've given up on that sometime in 2006... ..;)

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 23:23

Hehe, no I don't worry about them, I was just wondering if it was a message for me in it.
( :lol: )

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 23:29

Originally posted by Apex
I challenge anyone who think Alonso was really screwed by the SC to come up with a plausible scenario, involving no SC periods, where Alonso finishes 4th or better. The most interesting part will be where you show how he still would have beaten Kovalainen.


I'm thinking of a scenario with Alonso not screwed up by SC and with the same retirements ...

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 23:35

Originally posted by Apex
I challenge anyone who think Alonso was really screwed by the SC to come up with a plausible scenario, involving no SC periods, where Alonso finishes 4th or better. The most interesting part will be where you show how he still would have beaten Kovalainen.


This is my guess:

The key is in the second SC. Remember there were three SC, not two. The first SC was on the first lap.

When the 2nd SC (of three) Alonso had almost no fuel on his R28. We listened to his engineer telling him to save as much fuel as possible. He was going to enter pits on that same lap. He had to wait to wait until all the cars were aligned behind the safety car, and the race direction opened the pits. What happened was that Bourdais was 13th by that moment. When the pit lane was open, Alonso, Kubica, Nakajima, Glock and Raikkonen had passed the pit lane entrance (maybe Nakajima did not).

Bourdais:

Also, and foremost, we need to credit the team for the strategy during the safety car period.
The team was just monitoring the light and as soon as it opened he was just screaming: "In, in, in. Pit, pit, pit." I was just about to pass the pit entry and that made all the difference. If you wait one lap, you are P10, not P4.


Bourdais pitted, and Alonso, Kubica, Nakajima, Glock and Raikkonen had to do one more lap before entering pits. If Alonso had pitted just one lap before, or the SC had been deployed seconds later, he could had been on 6th in front of Bourdais.

lap chart

Then we have the 3rd and last SC. If Alonso had pitted before it (like Hamilton, Nick or Nico for example) he could had been on 4th, with Barrichelo and Kova having to pit after SC.

After both SC he was running in front of Bourdais, and he had not to fight against Bourdais, Raikkonen and Kova. He ended 4th, and nobody could say it was due to luck.

Obviously this is just a guess, but that's just what Apex wanted. The reality is very different thou. He pitted after both SC, that's bad luck, twice. But he had luck when Bourdais retired, Kova made his mistake, Nakajima and Kubica crashed.

So at the end Alonso finishes in the same position, but there is a very big difference. Alonso's bashers, haters, etc will be right now talking about how much luck did he have, but will forget that the 3 first in the race did have the luck to pit before both SC.

How funny that all the bad luck he had with SC was transformed into good luck.

which scenario do you prefer? .the one with mixed bad/good luck or simply the lewis hamilton, Heidfield and Rosberg luck scenario (they all pitted before both SC)?



I've tried to explain it as clear as I can. I'm not inventing anything. All info was taken from the FIA website or Autosport.

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 23:40

Originally posted by mowaru


I'm thinking of a scenario with Alonso not screwed up by SC and with the same retirements ...


And you think he would have finished in front of Rosberg in that scenario? Extremely unlikely, I'd say. In fact, without the SC he would never have gotten anywhere near Kovalainnen, so fifth would probably the best he could have achieved.

The only scenario where he could have finished higher is if he had the same kind of luck with the SC as Bourdais. But I would rather reserve that kind of lucky break for the races in which he may compete for victory... a third instead of a fourth doesn't really make much difference. IMO.

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Posted 19 March 2008 - 02:29

The point was not to create a scenario with a different strategy for Alonso but rather to remove the safety car periods entirely and then see where he ends up. If, as some say, he was indeed screwed by the safety car he should finish on the podium in such a scenario.

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Posted 19 March 2008 - 06:38

Originally posted by as65p
a third instead of a fourth doesn't really make much difference. IMO.


might have been his only podium this year

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Posted 19 March 2008 - 06:44

Originally posted by Apex
The point was not to create a scenario with a different strategy for Alonso but rather to remove the safety car periods entirely and then see where he ends up. If, as some say, he was indeed screwed by the safety car he should finish on the podium in such a scenario.


But the truth is he would have finished up fifth at best - and that assumes RB still somehow got DQ . But yet again the little Spaniards army of minnions insist he was royally screwed by something. Extremely tiresome I must say.

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Posted 19 March 2008 - 08:51

that's the only reason he finished 4th

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Posted 19 March 2008 - 08:54

Alonso is moan addicted;

http://f1.gpupdate.n...nge-at-renault/

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Posted 19 March 2008 - 09:16

Originally posted by bogi
Alonso is moan addicted;

http://f1.gpupdate.n...nge-at-renault/


lost in translations...

go to RenaultF1 blog and find there translation done
by native Spanish speakers who were listening live

Q. Last (and very interesting question) done by a second journalist: Where exactly is you limit of patience whit Renault?, the first journalist smiles saying “Hey, what a question, we have finish only a race !!.

FA. I have a lot of patience…. In 2007, the last races were very difficult to me (you know why) and this year I’ve started being P4 and I’m happy at the moment. The season is long, I know, if the improvements arrive our spirits will be good. But if we are “stopped” doing bad races I supouse the patience is going to cutt itself…but we have only a think to do: work hard and try to motivate the team so they do the same…


and the other blogger added this

Alonso made these statements on sunday evening and this website put this words as today news. This journalist (José Ramón de la Morena) is very dear to Alonso, because he was of the few who interviewed him when he was starting to compete in Formula 3000 and Formula Nissan. Apart from that, in this programme Alonso met his current partner Raquel del Rosario 2 years ago. ;-) On the other hand, this reporter has no idea of Formula 1 and the program is like a Late Night Show with laughs and everything, and these statements are not literal and should be taken as a kind of harangue to the team.


but to be honnest...
they deserve some level of criticism,although he is aware
of the fact Renault develops car only for two months...

late 2007 floppygate affair prevented him joining Renault
at least one month earlier...

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Posted 19 March 2008 - 09:27

Originally posted by arbillo
that's the only reason he finished 4th


Ah. A couple of cars slowed down unexpectedly in front of him. And a lot of others stopped of course.

Of course if the SC hadn't royally screwed Fred, he would have been nowhere near the two slowing cars and therefore would have been unable to go past them as a result of their misfortune.

#138 arbillo

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Posted 19 March 2008 - 09:30

Originally posted by airwise


Ah. A couple of cars slowed down unexpectedly in front of him. And a lot of others stopped of course.

Of course if the SC hadn't royally screwed Fred, he would have been nowhere near the two slowing cars and therefore would have been unable to go past them as a result of their misfortune.


yeah sure, blame him

#139 1george

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Posted 19 March 2008 - 11:02

Originally posted by papa

and the other blogger added this

Alonso made these statements on sunday evening and this website put this words as today news. This journalist (José Ramón de la Morena) is very dear to Alonso, because he was of the few who interviewed him when he was starting to compete in Formula 3000 and Formula Nissan. Apart from that, in this programme Alonso met his current partner Raquel del Rosario 2 years ago. ;-) On the other hand, this reporter has no idea of Formula 1 and the program is like a Late Night Show with laughs and everything, and these statements are not literal and should be taken as a kind of harangue to the team.

The first interview that Joserra (José Ramón de la Morena) made to Fernando Alonso was around 1990 when Fernando was a star in the Asturian karting circles, unknown to the country. The answers of a nine years-old Fernando were at the best Raikkonen answering style... "Yes", "No", "Yes" :)

Is true that Fernando met Raquel in "El larguero" radio program at the Madrid Sports Palace, I was colaborating with Cadena Ser at the time and I was there that night.

Is true, as well, that the tone of the conversations is like a friends chat but certain press use to take out of context just to bash Fernando, just my point of view.

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#140 papa

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Posted 19 March 2008 - 11:06

Originally posted by 1george
The first interview that Joserra (José Ramón de la Morena) made to Fernando Alonso was around 1990 when Fernando was a star in the Asturian karting circles, unknown to the country. The answers of a nine years-old Fernando were at the best Raikkonen answering style... "Yes", "No", "Yes" :)

Is true that Fernando met Raquel in "El larguero" radio program at the Madrid Sports Palace, I was colaborating with Cadena Ser at the time and I was there that night.

Is true, as well, that the tone of the conversations is like a friends chat but certain press use to take out of context just to bash Fernando, just my point of view.


My point exactly :up:

#141 Atic Atac

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Posted 19 March 2008 - 11:09

Originally posted by Apex
The point was not to create a scenario with a different strategy for Alonso but rather to remove the safety car periods entirely and then see where he ends up. If, as some say, he was indeed screwed by the safety car he should finish on the podium in such a scenario.


Alonso told on TV that all the simulations made by the team showed him finishing 8th or 9th at the best.

But also said that he was both unlucky with the SC´s and lucky with some of the retyrements.

#142 Suntrek

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Posted 19 March 2008 - 15:12

Originally posted by 1george
Is true, as well, that the tone of the conversations is like a friends chat but certain press use to take out of context just to bash Fernando, just my point of view.


Very true.

Still I sometimes wish that he'd stop doing those Cadena SER chats, because you can always count on that some "less serious" (to be polite) website starts to rip quotes out of context, puts a twist on them and bobs your uncle! - all the horrible little Alonso-bashers have a fresh bone to chew on.

It's the same bloody thing almost every week. :

#143 DLaw

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Posted 19 March 2008 - 15:52

How about multiple scenario of Alonso in different cars with or without SC?

I think that would do it. I think that would show a clear pictures of race addicted or not.

:smoking:

#144 lukywill

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Posted 19 March 2008 - 16:18

the ball is now at renault. symonds seems a fair play competent guy.

i´m afraid that this season is completely lost. the r28 is too slow. and too erratic. alonso should sign williams for 2008.

let´s hope they improve in the next few months (years...). so far it´s hopeless.

#145 Domination

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Posted 19 March 2008 - 16:26

Originally posted by lukywill
the ball is now at renault. symonds seems a fair play competent guy.

i´m afraid that this season is completely lost. the r28 is too slow. and too erratic. alonso should sign williams for 2008.

let´s hope they improve in the next few months (years...). so far it´s hopeless.


Williams already have Rosberg who imo is a better driver than Alonso. So unless Alonso wants to be a #2 to at Williams I don't see him going there.

#146 nestor

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Posted 19 March 2008 - 16:30

Originally posted by Domination


Williams already have Rosberg who imo is a better driver than Alonso. So unless Alonso wants to be a #2 to at Williams I don't see him going there.



Rosberg better than Alonso :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :lol: :drunk:

#147 airwise

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Posted 19 March 2008 - 16:31

I don't think the R28 is hopeless. At the moment is seems to be maybe the 4th or 5th fastest car out there but close to the BMW in race pace at least. It's perfectly possible that it could be snapping at BMW's heals in races to come. The poor Q2 performance and the closeness of the midfield rather disguised the car's potential at Melbourne in my opinion.

#148 Nukle

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Posted 19 March 2008 - 16:51

Originally posted by Domination


Williams already have Rosberg who imo is a better driver than Alonso. So unless Alonso wants to be a #2 to at Williams I don't see him going there.


Are u kidding?? Rosberg better than Alonso?? :eek:

#149 lukywill

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Posted 19 March 2008 - 16:55

Originally posted by Domination


Williams already have Rosberg who imo is a better driver than Alonso. So unless Alonso wants to be a #2 to at Williams I don't see him going there.


sure. they should put nakajima san against that fearful piquet.

and alonso as munber 8 at williams :smoking:

#150 lukywill

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Posted 19 March 2008 - 17:01

Originally posted by airwise
I don't think the R28 is hopeless. At the moment is seems to be maybe the 4th or 5th fastest car out there but close to the BMW in race pace at least. It's perfectly possible that it could be snapping at BMW's heals in races to come. The poor Q2 performance and the closeness of the midfield rather disguised the car's potential at Melbourne in my opinion.


i agree. had briatore signed hamilton and the renault could star with mclaren´s hamilton.

alonso future will be write in the next years. :lol:
for sure he has a happier live now at renault and we will see if they can win something or if alonso goes somewhere else.

but this year we have the super mclaren´s battling with kimi´s ferrari. we açready understood that races will be boring baring basic colors added (red, yellow, blank flag, not blue).