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Poll: Mosley could stay on for fifth term (131 member(s) have cast votes)

  1. Yes (25 votes [19.08%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.08%

  2. Don't care (9 votes [6.87%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.87%

  3. No (97 votes [74.05%])

    Percentage of vote: 74.05%

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#1 niallmckiernan

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 14:04

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/65859

Stoddart won't be happy!

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#2 Sébastien

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 14:09

Originally posted by niallmckiernan
Stoddart won't be happy! [/B]

That alone would be a very good reason to support Max staying on. :up:

#3 StefanV

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 14:16

Mosley also admitted he would like to see Formula One where drivers swap teams from race to race in the future.

"My dream is for a Formula One where the drivers swap cars from one race to the other, to see who really is the strongest."


He has completely lost the plot. First of all Max - F1 is a TEAM sport. If he want to turn it into a drivers championship only there is better ways - just have them borrow the GP2 cars. Not having to build and develop cars will save the teams a lot of money. :rolleyes:

#4 FLB

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 14:17

Who is surprised (NOT) that Max wants to stay?

#5 femi

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 15:13

Originally posted by FLB
Who is surprised (NOT) that Max wants to stay?


and he wants the drivers to switch cars! who will be paying the drivers' fees, FIA?

#6 Sakae

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 16:03

Originally posted by femi


and he wants the drivers to switch cars!...


It bothers me that he is not bothered by fact that drivers before they extract best out of the vehicle need time to adjust and learn its characteristics. The whole idea is so inept, that I am concerned that it is I, who is missing the BIG point. Does anyone knows or understand what he is up to?

#7 peroa

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 16:04

There is no "Good god, WTF" option ...

#8 Tigershark

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 16:30

The day the FIA mandates driver switches is probably the day all but perhaps two manufacturers pull out.

I wouldn't be surprised if Mosley is suffering from being at the top for too long. Of course people are going to say they want him to stay, he's the boss around there after all.

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 16:32

Hehe, he obviously doesn't want to stay, and I love how he keeps suggesting these outlandish ideas in the hope that people tell him to go! Err, I hope that's why he's suggesting them anyway.

#10 Youichi

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 16:57

Am I the only one who remembers his original comapaign to get elected where he said that the president should be limited to a maximum of 2 terms ?

#11 flyboy

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 17:02

Senility has reared it's ugly head.

#12 3Sword

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 17:11

Max Mosely may not be perfect, but are there anybody who could do a better job? Ron? Flavio? Jean Todt?
Or would you like to have a nobody instead of MM?

Edit: I voted yes

#13 512 TR

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 17:30

I voted yes.

When he steps down you'll notice the difference he made.

#14 Ivan

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 17:41

Someone has spiked his punch!

#15 StefanV

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 18:05

Originally posted by 512 TR
I voted yes.

When he steps down you'll notice the difference he made.

Yes, I am sure of that. I can hardly wait.

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 18:22

Originally posted by 512 TR
I voted yes.

When he steps down you'll notice the difference he made.


So did I. Who else is there to replace him? Stodart? Dennis? Todt? :confused:

MM is doing the best he can under difficult circumstances. There is no better candidatye on the horizon. :cool:

#17 Atreiu

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 18:25

Oh, please, no.

#18 Tigershark

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 18:28

Originally posted by emburmak


So did I. Who else is there to replace him? Stodart? Dennis? Todt?

The FIA isn't just F1, as I'm sure people know. There are no doubt very capable people in the organisation who are not currently in the lime-light who can step up and replace Mosley. The fact that the 'but nobody can replace him' excuse actually sounds reasonable highlights, I think, the static situation the FIA seems to be stuck in.

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 18:31

put Sir Alan Sugar in charge - boy that would be fun :D

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#20 Sébastien

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 18:35

Originally posted by emburmak
MM is doing the best he can under difficult circumstances. There is no better candidatye on the horizon. :cool:

On the horizon there are Flavio or Todt, they can take over in 2013. :up:

#21 Lambo

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 18:46

Surely for this level of incompetence even a politician should be got rid of. Bernie and Max constantly get credit for what a global success Formula one is. Obviously that is true, but they haven't exactly turned marbles into a mega sport - have they. No they have taken a sport with the major ingrediants for success already there and made it successful:-

For example:-
Its about something everyone identifies with - cars
Cars also happen to be a multi-billion dollar market with a wide spectrum of interested industries
Its has danger
Its fast
Its noisy
Its colourful
All of which makes it glamorous

In the end F1 success comes through television like all other successful sports. In many ways it feels more and like its successful despite its leaders not because of it.

Thats if you judge success by manufacturer interest and budgets, the rest isn't so great:-

Poor racing (just look at GP2)
Ridiculous cost (unbelievable how much these guys spend for a poor show)
Clueless aproach to environmental issues (night racing!)
Clueless handling of problems such as the spying scanda (Mclaren's fine)
Withdrawal of Formula one away from its fans (why make a fortress of it)
Too few cars (remember pre-qualifying days)

We need a president with sound common sense, the ability to deal with people at all levels, who has been there and done it in and out of the car. Any ideas. We need a younger Jackie Stewart.

#22 512 TR

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 18:46

Originally posted by Welsh
put Sir Alan Sugar in charge - boy that would be fun :D


Maybe you should ask a Spurs fan for his opinion...

#23 StefanV

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 18:54

I think actually that by making F1 so "exclusive" they have made the other formulas uninteresting for TV. The cost for broadcasting F1 is so huge that most broadcasters are looking at the budget sheet both once and twice before the show a 3 second clip from the last race. Live broadcast is great, but you do not create new motorsport fans there.

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 18:58

A little bird told me Todd -- yes, Jean 'Ferrari' Todt -- will go for it...

Probably another good reason to support Max as well...

#25 niallmckiernan

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 19:13

Originally posted by panzani
A little bird told me Todd -- yes, Jean 'Ferrari' Todd -- will go for it...

Probably another good reason to support Max as well...


i'm hoping this "todd" fella is someone i havent heard of and NOT jean "todt"!!;)

#26 panzani

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 19:29

yes, mispelt... :blush: [and edited, thanks]

#27 512 TR

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 19:34

I never understood why so many of you lump Max and Bernie together.

Bernie is the one destroying F1 while Max actually makes a difference.

In a perfect world his new idea could work. It would be great seeing all drivers getting the chance to drive all the cars. But it will never happen because all drivers would have agendas established by most teams.

#28 macoran

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 20:34

Originally posted by 3Sword
Max Mosely may not be perfect, but are there anybody who could do a better job? Ron? Flavio? Jean Todt?
Or would you like to have a nobody instead of MM?

Edit: I voted yes


Some of you guys are beginning to sound like Max M already !!
Jezus H Christ !!!pleez let the guy piss off.
and HELLOO !!! too much wanking causes deafness !!!!!!!! (intended for the Max man himself)

#29 Peter Perfect

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 20:51

Max wanting to stay for another term is, frankly, not a great surprise. Why should he give it up? He's eliminated any form of competition or criticism of himself within the FIA and he can do what he likes with no fear of reprisals. Is it healthy for motorsport? I don't think so. Is there anything to stop him going on and on? Nope.

Whether we, or anyone, think that Max continuing would be bad for the sport is immaterial. The simple truth is that the only person who can remove Max from office is Max himself. He's made sure of that over his last few terms.

#30 512 TR

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 21:01

Originally posted by Peter Perfect
Max wanting to stay for another term is, frankly, not a great surprise. Why should he give it up? He's eliminated any form of competition or criticism of himself within the FIA and he can do what he likes with no fear of reprisals. Is it healthy for motorsport? I don't think so. Is there anything to stop him going on and on? Nope.

Whether we, or anyone, think that Max continuing would be bad for the sport is immaterial. The simple truth is that the only person who can remove Max from office is Max himself. He's made sure of that over his last few terms.


Ask Robert Kubica how healthy Max is to F1.

#31 Sakae

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 00:49

Originally posted by 512 TR
I voted yes.

When he steps down you'll notice the difference he made.

I reject the notion that Max is not replaceable; everyone is. All what needs to be done is to look hard, and maybe expand the search into other racing series and human endevaour. At another level it has to be done now, because body of FIA one day could be paralyzed, if it stops indpendently thinking, because it has become merely shadow image of one man.

#32 512 TR

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 00:56

Originally posted by MiPe
I reject the notion that Max is not replaceable; everyone is. All what needs to be done is to look hard, and maybe expand the search into other racing series and human endevaour. At another level it has to be done now, because body of FIA one day could be paralyzed, if it stop indpendently thinking, and becomes merely shadow image of one man.


I didn't say Max is irreplaceable. All I said was the he has made a lot of good. You will all miss him when he's gone.

I will support Max until the end because he saved a couple of lives.

#33 le chat noir

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 01:10

Originally posted by 512 TR


I didn't say Max is irreplaceable. All I said was the he has made a lot of good. You will all miss him when he's gone.

I will support Max until the end because he saved a couple of lives.


http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

it just reminded me of it, nothing more :) from 1:03 really and especially 1:50

#34 512 TR

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 01:13

Originally posted by le chat noir


http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

it just reminded me of it, nothing more :) from 1:03 really and especially 1:50


That's not funny!

Bad News are funny...



You'll have to find the rest yourself! :)

#35 Melbourne Park

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 01:26

Originally posted by 512 TR
I never understood why so many of you lump Max and Bernie together.

Bernie is the one destroying F1 while Max actually makes a difference.

Because they are friends.

Because they formed the F1 constructors association, along with Colin Chapman, Ken Tyrrell, Frank Williams and Ted Mayer.

Because when Bernie became CEO of the association, Mosley was his legal advisor, and they negotiated with the FIA to get television right for F1. The result was that teams got some of the money from TV, the FIA got 30% and Bernie got one quarter. Mosley and Bernie worked together, and Bernie got rich. His worth - due to the TV rights - is two and half billion Pounds Stirling.

There were issues with Bernie maintaining the TV rights, and when Mosley was FIA President, Bernie was awarded the TV rights in exchange for annual payments. Some describe the handing of such revenue streams by the FIA lead Mosley away from the teams and the FIA to Bernie as outrageous and a financial scandal.




#36 512 TR

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 01:29

Originally posted by Melbourne Park

Because they are friends.

Because they formed the F1 constructors association, along with Colin Chapman, Ken Tyrrell, Frank Williams and Ted Mayer.

Because when Bernie became CEO of the association, Mosley was his legal advisor, and they negotiated with the FIA to get television right for F1. The result was that teams got some of the money from TV, the FIA got 30% and Bernie got one quarter. Mosley and Bernie worked together, and Bernie got rich. His worth - due to the TV rights - is two and half billion Pounds Stirling.

There were issues with Bernie maintaining the TV rights, and when Mosley was FIA President, Bernie was awarded the TV rights in exchange for annual payments. Some describe the handing of such revenue streams by the FIA lead Mosley away from the teams and the FIA to Bernie as outrageous and a financial scandal.



Bernie got rich years before Max entered the picture!

Did Max save a couple of lives or not?

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 01:32

Originally posted by 512 TR


That's not funny!

Bad News are funny...



You'll have to find the rest yourself! :)


sorry too late to really look, but seems a poor imitation of

which again has scary similarities to the working of MM's mind - vain attempt to remain on topic ;)

#38 512 TR

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 01:34

Originally posted by le chat noir


sorry too late to really look, but seems a poor imitation of

which again has scary similarities to the working of MM's mind - vain attempt to remain on topic ;)


Bad News were prior to Spinal Tap!

If you don't get it, you will nvere get it....

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 01:38

Originally posted by 512 TR


Bad News were prior to Spinal Tap!

If you don't get it, you will nvere get it....


ah, but they were in production at the same time!
(similar to max and bernie :lol: )

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#40 512 TR

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 01:39

Originally posted by le chat noir


ah, but they were in production at the same time!
(similar to max and bernie :lol: )


This discussion is insane...you and me both know it. :D

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 01:45

Originally posted by 512 TR


Bernie got rich years before Max entered the picture!

Did Max save a couple of lives or not?


I credit Jackie Stewart with getting the F1 safety thing going. The FIA sure gets credit though. But there were many besides him who are contributed to safety.

Recently the F1 drivers association has been fighting with the FIA over having a proper ambulance and rescue facilities at F1 testing tracks. There have been some bad accidents at testing tracks in recent years - one MS one looked quite bad for a while. I think max has been tardy with the testing track safety issues, especially when the drivers really want a capability to safe a life at a testing accident. The FIA simply doesn't want to spend the money.

Bernie wasn't very rich when the got TV rights deal the first time. it was that deal, and the following late 90's deal, which made Bernie the third richest guy in England. Earlier on Bernie part owned Lotus, and bought Brabham from Ron Tourenac (i forget how to spell his name), but the team was cheap to buy.

#42 David M. Kane

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 02:00

This plot is starting sound like the movie 10,000 B.C. and the Pharaoh who refuses to die.

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Posted 19 March 2008 - 17:01

Originally posted by 512 TR


I didn't say Max is irreplaceable. All I said was the he has made a lot of good. You will all miss him when he's gone.

I will support Max until the end because he saved a couple of lives.

What credit you give him for F1? I think that he actually almost destroy the club (just IMHO).

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Posted 20 March 2008 - 02:18

Now that Todt is no longer CEO of Ferrari, the man who Mosley has said should replace himself is now available. 2009 is the obvious time for Todt to take over the reigns of the FIA.

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Posted 20 March 2008 - 09:02

Originally posted by FLB
Who is surprised (NOT) that Max wants to stay?

Unless a revolution happens, I fear he'll stay as long as he lives.

I could live with that, if the FiA creates a new position, someone in charge of QOR (quality of racing). As it is, for EU reasons, Ecclestone is taking care of the money, Mosley for the safety. But who is there to provide a counterbalance if Ecclestone and Mosley miss the entire point of F1 from a racing perspective?

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Posted 20 March 2008 - 09:14

Originally posted by Melbourne Park
Now that Todt is no longer CEO of Ferrari, the man who Mosley has said should replace himself is now available. 2009 is the obvious time for Todt to take over the reigns of the FIA.

Todt is still on the board of directors at Ferrari. And I really hope Todt doesn't become new FiA president. Just imagine the complaints of Non-Ferrari fans. It's not good for F1 should that happens. Enough with division.

Mosley and Todt certainly had the quality of being persistent, but Charisma? Is there really nobody else around? Someone that besides of the safety issues the FiA has to address, has enough Charisma to convince teams that if the racing is being decided by driving skills and not with some high tech gizmo, each and every team will profit. Most fans would be thankful and prefer that. Few want more political storms, that Mosley and I believe Todt, if elected, will create if they stay on.

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Posted 20 March 2008 - 09:34

Originally posted by HP
Todt is still on the board of directors at Ferrari. And I really hope Todt doesn't become new FiA president. Just imagine the complaints of Non-Ferrari fans. It's not good for F1 should that happens. Enough with division.

Mosley and Todt certainly had the quality of being persistent, but Charisma? Is there really nobody else around? Someone that besides of the safety issues the FiA has to address, has enough Charisma to convince teams that if the racing is being decided by driving skills and not with some high tech gizmo, each and every team will profit. Most fans would be thankful and prefer that. Few want more political storms, that Mosley and I believe Todt, if elected, will create if they stay on.


Certainly if Todt had any working relationships such as being on the Board of Ferrari, then that wouldn't be suitable - but he could always resign. I don't feel that previous issues would effect the professionalism of such top people. But that depends on what their mission would be.

Do you know if the FIA president is paid?

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Posted 20 March 2008 - 09:37

Originally posted by Melbourne Park
Do you know if the FIA president is paid?

No Mosley is not paid, but surely they could change that with a new president.

#49 Melbourne Park

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Posted 20 March 2008 - 10:09

Originally posted by SĂ©bastien

No Mosley is not paid, but surely they could change that with a new president.

Considering the stakes, professional management might be a better idea.

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Posted 20 March 2008 - 10:50

I agree that there should be a set financial compensation for the FIA president.

Why Mosley never received that I dunno, maybe the FIA were in dire straits in the past or maybe back in the 80's, when Balestre was in power, it was not usual that leaders in sports governance were on a salary and that when Max took over in 1993 things remained the same.

It's not like Max needs it and people governing sports usually find other ways to make it worth their while, the names of Joao Havelange, Primo Nebiolo and Samaranch come to mind.
(disclaimer: not that I say Max did too, I don't want them to do a "Brundle" on me)  ;)