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#51 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 19 April 2008 - 10:07

That'd open a canning factory of worms.

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#52 Imperial

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Posted 19 April 2008 - 10:27

Originally posted by Dudley


Because you've effectively forced people to run a non-championship race? because their race was fine, why should they be punished.

In fact, I suspect if the CART teams sued, they'd win instantly to get the points restored for LB.


That's exactly what the (former) CART teams want to happen isn't it, to have a big falling out with the IRL this early into the reunification.... :rolleyes:

#53 McGuire

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Posted 19 April 2008 - 11:58

Originally posted by Dudley


Because you've effectively forced people to run a non-championship race? because their race was fine, why should they be punished.

In fact, I suspect if the CART teams sued, they'd win instantly to get the points restored for LB.


I get all my legal opinions from Internet message boards.

#54 Lada Lover

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 00:15

What time is it?

#55 ColdHeart

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 00:34

Rescheduled race starts in 90 minutes.

#56 Lada Lover

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 02:02

Thanks. It doesn't seem to be on any channel I can tune into. ABC is running a Harry Potter movie and it would be a cold day in hell if they switched to racing.

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 02:04

OK, it's 3am, I just got home from going out, I say bring it on....

......cars appear to have started from live timing.....except the live video link doesn't seem to be working for me? Anyone else linked up?

#58 CWeil

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 02:17

Originally posted by Lada Lover
Thanks. It doesn't seem to be on any channel I can tune into. ABC is running a Harry Potter movie and it would be a cold day in hell if they switched to racing.


I can't find it anywhere, either.

#59 Bumper

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 02:20

If you're in the USA, apparently, because of the delay, live coverage is now on ESPN Classic right now.

Still no signal on the live video link for me :cry:

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#60 CWeil

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 02:30

Ah, that's right! Found it. Thanks!

The coverage on indycar.com was pretty bad and really laggy.

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 02:35

No kidding. I've been trying for half an hour now and all I get is Server Is Busy. Stuff it, it's 3.30am here and I'm going to bed. Fingers crossed Sky Sports will show delayed footage tomorrow.

#62 red stick

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 04:01

Danica wins!

#63 Buford

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 04:03

So much for the nickname "Zero for a lifetime."

#64 Andretti Fan

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 04:05

Danica won it. I know I know... everyone is gonna diss her and make her into a big joke, but she is now a WINNER in the Indy car series.

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 04:06

How'd you like those apples?

Sure it was a fuel economy win, but it pays points, and its in the record book. Good for her.

(For the conspiracy theory people- this would be the last race you'd want her to get the call and win... No US audience)

#66 shaggy

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 04:19

Her "break" years ago came when she finished second in that race in England .... after the 8 cars in front of her were caught in an accident. Even Buddy Rice won the Indy500 that way ... where is he now ?

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 04:56

Originally posted by shaggy
Her "break" years ago came when she finished second in that race in England .... after the 8 cars in front of her were caught in an accident. Even Buddy Rice won the Indy500 that way ... where is he now ?

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What are you talking about? Buddy won that race fair and square, he was the fastest car the whole month and he drove his heart out in that car to make it to victory. The fact that he got shafted by the whole Danica crap at Rahal has nothing to do with the fact that he deserved the win. And let's not forget that he was a championship contender that year until he was placed on his roof at Chicagoland.

Rice can do the job, but too bad that he's been screwed around and ultimately left to be in a POS D&R car.

Regarding Danica, well, she gambled and it paid off. As much as I hate her, to finish first you must finish and she did just that.

The downside now will be the fact that Danicamania will be on for the next five months.

#68 CWeil

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 05:28

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/66734

:confused: What the hell? It states that Danica won after Helio pitted at the end, coming out of the pits 5 seconds behind her. That never happened! Helio was one of the ones that didn't pit- he just backed off a ton. Am I going crazy or did they just make this stuff up??

#69 fer312t

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 06:05

Yea autosport got that bit wrong...

Helio had to dial it way down at the end, but never pitted...

#70 milliepuppy

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 06:27

... oh well at least tomorrows race will count for something ... i.e. points ..

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 06:28

Hip hip horray for Danica! :clap: :clap: :clap:

#72 Earthling

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 06:30

So did Danica still win or was Castroneves the winner?
Please elaborate.

#73 Imperial

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 07:38

That's great news.

Not the best way to win a race but it's fantastic news for the reunification. A woman winning a major open wheel race - that's surely going to make the news beyond the specialist media.

It's exactly what they need to boost the audience figures a bit.

#74 Daveofoz

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 08:29

Congrats Danica!!

:)

:love:

#75 djellison

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 08:40

Originally posted by Ricardo F1
So Danica did SI Swimsuit and we all rejoiced.

If she keep running midpack will she do Playboy just to keep sponsors happy?



LOL - denied.


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Posted 20 April 2008 - 09:04

Happy for Danica, pity for people whose fantasies of Danica in Playboy won't come true now :D

#77 BMW_F1

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 09:18

Congratulations Danica.. !!! :up: :up:

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 10:04

For those in the UK, Sky are showing the full race right now 11am-1pm.

#79 Ali_G

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 11:55

That prob is Playboy out the window.

I sense that a struggling F1 team might try to now get Danica to bolster finances.

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#80 Imperial

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 12:06

Originally posted by Ali_G
That prob is Playboy out the window.

I sense that a struggling F1 team might try to now get Danica to bolster finances.


Unfortunately she is quite shit on anything but ovals, thus circuit racing will never beckon for her.

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 12:12

Did I hear the commentator say "she's now the new Anna Kournikova of open wheel racing"? :drunk:

#82 nigel red5

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 12:32

D'you know what? It doesn't matter if her road course record is ropey, nor does it matter that it was a fuel economy related win.

Today, Danica Patrick was the first woman to win a proper world class top level open wheel motor race. Even if she does nothing else in her racing career, the fact is there, the bar for what women can achieve in motorsport has just been raised another level, a level that up until very recently most men thought impossible for women in motor racing to reach.

It's not a day to diss the achievement, it's a day to think back on all the open wheel races that we've all seen in our lifetimes, be it Formula One, Indycar racing or Champcars, and realise what just happened. This is a huge deal. If anything we should put the negatives aside just for once and raise a glass to her...

#83 jimm

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 12:40

Originally posted by Bumper
Did I hear the commentator say "she's now the new Anna Kournikova of open wheel racing"? :drunk:


How many tennis tournys did Anna win as a professional? ZERO! If anything, it makes her like Maria Sharapova circa 2005 or so.

That said, until she was hurt, Anna was a legit woman tennis player. She reached the quarters serveral times in grand slams and she was in the top 20 for a while. I guess it was hard comming back from the injury and easier to make money by posing than playing.

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 12:41

Originally posted by Bumper
Did I hear the commentator say "she's now the new Anna Kournikova of open wheel racing"? :drunk:


That's not a compliment in any way...;)

#85 Mika Mika

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 12:43

Originally posted by nigel red5
D'you know what? It doesn't matter if her road course record is ropey, nor does it matter that it was a fuel economy related win.

Today, Danica Patrick was the first woman to win a proper world class top level open wheel motor race. Even if she does nothing else in her racing career, the fact is there, the bar for what women can achieve in motorsport has just been raised another level, a level that up until very recently most men thought impossible for women in motor racing to reach.

It's not a day to diss the achievement, it's a day to think back on all the open wheel races that we've all seen in our lifetimes, be it Formula One, Indycar racing or Champcars, and realise what just happened. This is a huge deal. If anything we should put the negatives aside just for once and raise a glass to her...


:up: :up: :up:

Races have been won for far less, doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile winning is winning....

Congratulations Danica.. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 12:45

Originally posted by nigel red5
D'you know what? It doesn't matter if her road course record is ropey, nor does it matter that it was a fuel economy related win.

Today, Danica Patrick was the first woman to win a proper world class top level open wheel motor race. Even if she does nothing else in her racing career, the fact is there, the bar for what women can achieve in motorsport has just been raised another level, a level that up until very recently most men thought impossible for women in motor racing to reach.

It's not a day to diss the achievement, it's a day to think back on all the open wheel races that we've all seen in our lifetimes, be it Formula One, Indycar racing or Champcars, and realise what just happened. This is a huge deal. If anything we should put the negatives aside just for once and raise a glass to her...

:up:

I was happy enough to provide commentary to our sport TV here and I can tell you one of best experience in my other-than-private life...

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 12:51

I guess I'm the only one who isn't happy about the result :|

There was 30mins of post race coverage and they did not interview 2nd or 3 place drivers?!?!! But we got to see Danica driving around the track in an S2000 waving at people. We got to see her Mom on the phone. And then we got more of her driving around the S2000. Then we got to see her talking on the phone. WTF. What about Scott and Helio? At every other race they interview down to 4th or 5th place!! Do you think when (if) Ed Carpenter wins his first race that he'll get the same media response? If anybody thought the ridiculous media coverage of her was bad before....now it's gonna be really bad. She'll be a contender for every race from 10th position 1 lap down.

Oh well.


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#88 McGuire

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 12:52

Originally posted by Bumper
Did I hear the commentator say "she's now the new Anna Kournikova of open wheel racing"? :drunk:


On the American feed, what I heard them say was that the Anna label could no longer be hung on Danica -- she had won her major.

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 12:54

Originally posted by nigel red5
D'you know what? It doesn't matter if her road course record is ropey, nor does it matter that it was a fuel economy related win.

Today, Danica Patrick was the first woman to win a proper world class top level open wheel motor race. Even if she does nothing else in her racing career, the fact is there, the bar for what women can achieve in motorsport has just been raised another level, a level that up until very recently most men thought impossible for women in motor racing to reach.

It's not a day to diss the achievement, it's a day to think back on all the open wheel races that we've all seen in our lifetimes, be it Formula One, Indycar racing or Champcars, and realise what just happened. This is a huge deal. If anything we should put the negatives aside just for once and raise a glass to her...


Indeed congratulations to Danica for winning her first IndyCar race and I'm really happy for her, she has worked hard for this achievement. It could be argued equally that her being a woman has been a disadvantage (prejudice) and an advantage (great marketing tool).

Personally, and I'm speaking as a woman, I just look at the driver as a *person* and judge them on their driving qualities. I don't care much whether they are the first woman, or the first black driver, or the first driver from Colombia, for me ultimately only their driving talent counts.

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 13:03

Originally posted by Crazy Canuck
Do you think when (if) Marco wins his first race that he'll get the same media response?


Guess not. Marco won his first Indy Car race at Sonoma in '06. The media covered it extensively and League PR hyped it to the heavens... but since he hasn't done an SI swimsuit issue yet I guess you missed all that. :D

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 13:05

Originally posted by McGuire


Guess not. Marco won his first Indy Car race at Sonoma in '06. The media covered it extensively and League PR hyped it to the heavens... but since he hasn't done an SI swimsuit issue yet I guess you missed all that. :D


Yeah, I must've slept through that. He's been so mediocre since then that I guess I forgot.

Swimsuit Issue?


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edit the original post to say 'Ed Carpenter'. Probably a better comparison.

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 13:06

Originally posted by Crazy Canuck
I guess I'm the only one who isn't happy about the result :|

There was 30mins of post race coverage and they did not interview 2nd or 3 place drivers?!?!! But we got to see Danica driving around the track in an S2000 waving at people. We got to see her Mom on the phone. And then we got more of her driving around the S2000. Then we got to see her talking on the phone. WTF. What about Scott and Helio? At every other race they interview down to 4th or 5th place!! Do you think when (if) Marco wins his first race that he'll get the same media response? If anybody thought the ridiculous media coverage of her was bad before....now it's gonna be really bad. She'll be a contender for every race from 10th position 1 lap down.

Oh well.


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North America has their own Lewis Hamilton :)

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 13:06

Originally posted by McGuire


On the American feed, what I heard them say was that the Anna label could no longer be hung on Danica -- she had won her major.


Ah, that must have been it, I did think it was a bit strange what I heard (in background mode).

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 13:07

Originally posted by nigel red5
D'you know what? It doesn't matter if her road course record is ropey, nor does it matter that it was a fuel economy related win.

It's as if intelligence in a race is somehow not relevant.

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 13:24

Originally posted by Imperial


Unfortunately she is quite shit on anything but ovals, thus circuit racing will never beckon for her.


Didn't she finish up second at Belle Isle last year? Not a bad result for someone who is 'quite shit' on anything which is not an oval. I don't think she's the best driver in the Indycar field or anything, but lesser drivers have won on ovals.

#96 Jacquesback

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 13:27

Well done Danica! :up:

I hope this is the first of many and perhaps even a championship.

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 13:47

Fantastic result and great for Indy Car racing. Congrats, Danica!! :up:

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 13:58

What a useful appliance :up:

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 14:15

Originally posted by jonpollak
What a useful appliance :up:

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:lol:

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 14:48

Originally posted by Crazy Canuck
I guess I'm the only one who isn't happy about the result :|

There was 30mins of post race coverage and they did not interview 2nd or 3 place drivers?!?!! But we got to see Danica driving around the track in an S2000 waving at people. We got to see her Mom on the phone. And then we got more of her driving around the S2000. Then we got to see her talking on the phone. WTF. What about Scott and Helio? At every other race they interview down to 4th or 5th place!! Do you think when (if) Ed Carpenter wins his first race that he'll get the same media response? If anybody thought the ridiculous media coverage of her was bad before....now it's gonna be really bad. She'll be a contender for every race from 10th position 1 lap down.

Oh well.


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That's always been the biggest problem with the Danica sensation - the media frenzy is, if anything, to the detriment of the sport in the eyes of its core audience. That's not to discredit Danica, the accomplishment, or even the significance of it in the least. But focusing so heavily on the one driver during the race broadcast does nothing but risk alienating significant numbers of people *who are already watching*! It doesn't do a damn thing to magically attract the people who aren't watching. Leave it to the mainstream media to pick up the Danica story and obsess over it, but the dedicated motorsports commentary and jouralism circles ought to focus on continuing to report on the sport as a whole and be content with a tip their hat to the accomplishment.