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#1 lustigson

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Posted 21 April 2008 - 20:08

After having witnessed the last ever Champ Car race, at Long Beach, last weekend, should we consider Will Power the 2008 Champ Car World Series title winner? Since this was the last race running Champ Car teams, cars, engines and drivers, it was the only one elligible for points. :cool:

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#2 IOU 16

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Posted 21 April 2008 - 20:10

It was an IRL race. He won in that series. Call him the unoffical champ.

#3 Risil

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Posted 21 April 2008 - 20:26

No, Power is an IRL driver. The Champcar World Series title winner defaults to Franck Montagny. :lol:

#4 John B

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Posted 22 April 2008 - 14:07

It's only two races less than Buzz Calkins and Scott Sharp entered to claim the first IRL "championship...." :D

#5 FLB

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Posted 22 April 2008 - 14:20

Well, Bourdais said he'd be the one to watch before the season began! :lol:

#6 Dolph

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Posted 22 April 2008 - 16:33

Thanks for the spoilers

#7 Atreiu

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Posted 22 April 2008 - 16:48

Originally posted by Dolph
Thanks for the spoilers


The Racing Comments really isn't the place to be if you want to avoid spoilers.

#8 Dudley

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Posted 22 April 2008 - 20:03

Originally posted by Atreiu


The Racing Comments really isn't the place to be if you want to avoid spoilers.


Still pretty stupid to put them in a thread title. People don't get races till later, it's reasonable to expect people to use a title like "Is the Long Beach winner the 2008 Champ car title winner?". Putting the spoiler in the title does nothing EXCEPT piss people off.

Now if he clicked on said thread and was spoiled it'd be his own damn fault.

But we've had this debate before and the forum management told us all to **** off so there ya go.

The answer to the question btw is "no, there wasn't a CCWS this year."

#9 se7en_24

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Posted 22 April 2008 - 20:43

It happens again. People with absolutely no common (I think they should change that word) sense moaning that a motorsport forum spoilt the result of a motorsport race. Use your brains people, even if Dudley hasn't learnt after 8 years or so.

#10 Dolph

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Posted 22 April 2008 - 22:10

Originally posted by se7en_24
It happens again. People with absolutely no common (I think they should change that word) sense moaning that a motorsport forum spoilt the result of a motorsport race. Use your brains people, even if Dudley hasn't learnt after 8 years or so.


I have common sense. I'm also actually pretty sure my IQ is much larger than yours. Now if someone writes a title "Danica finally does it", then I can understand that. But this...

#11 jeremy durward

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 02:57

i say we give it to him anyway... yes imay be an ozzie

#12 lustigson

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 07:09

Originally posted by jeremy durward
i say we give it to him anyway... yes imay be an ozzie

:D

#13 Dudley

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 09:37

Originally posted by se7en_24
It happens again. People with absolutely no common (I think they should change that word) sense moaning that a motorsport forum spoilt the result of a motorsport race. Use your brains people, even if Dudley hasn't learnt after 8 years or so.


Yes, sadly I still have some faith in common courtesy.

This is a forum for MULTIPLE sports. You should be able to come in to comment on the result of an F1 race without having every other event spoilt for you even if you don't click on a thread about the series. There is not a single benefit to this thread having Will's name in the title. Not one.

But like I say, we had this debate, the admins told us to **** off, end of story.

#14 lustigson

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 09:43

Originally posted by Dudley
But like I say, we had this debate, the admins told us to **** off, end of story.

Nevertheless, I'll be more careful next time. :blush:

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 09:48

I say make Will the People's Champion :p

We'll see a lot more coming from him for the remainder of the IRL season I expect.

#16 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 11:09

Basically 24 hours after a race is run I think the spoiler rules expire. Buyer beware and all that.

#17 Jackman

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 11:17

Or alternately we could get Dudley to update us on where he's up to with his viewing so that the entire bulletin board can bend to his will and we don't offend him delicate sensibilities. Have you could up on the 2000 season yet?

#18 Dudley

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 11:33

Originally posted by lustigson

Nevertheless, I'll be more careful next time. :blush:


It'd be appreciated Karl. Only in thread titles of course. You click on "IRL Motegi" you really do deserve it. But you should be able to browse the thread titles without having random other events spoiled.

Or alternately we could get Dudley to update us on where he's up to with his viewing so that the entire bulletin board can bend to his will and we don't offend him delicate sensibilities. Have you could up on the 2000 season yet?


Yes this happened last time, idiots trolled rather than exercise common courtesy at no cost to themselves.

#19 Jackman

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 11:38

Yes, and then you took a pop at the moderators and moaned, yet again, at length.

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#20 Dudley

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 13:44

You probably slam doors in old women's faces too. After all, they know how doors work and courtesy is a swear word so they should know to get out of the way.

#21 Jackman

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 13:56

It's unlikely, but who knows? If the little old ladies constantly complained about the owners of the door, moaned that it was the wrong colour despite being that colour for the last ten years, bitched about anyone who dared to suggest it was a good door and that the colour suited the environs, and then poked their walking sticks any anyone who suggested that their constant refrain of a never-ending diatribe against anything to do with the door was maybe getting a little on the old side then some might suggest that perhaps they'd deserve it.

#22 lustigson

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 14:04

Originally posted by Dudley
It'd be appreciated Karl.

Who's Karl? Maybe you're mistaking me for Karl Ludvigsen?;)

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 14:12

This thread is SO going the wrong way :p

#24 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 14:52

I wonder how long Dudley would have us wait, as this race is unlikely to ever be shown in Europe.

#25 Dolph

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 15:09

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
Basically 24 hours after a race is run I think the spoiler rules expire. Buyer beware and all that.


A rule based on nothing. Not everyone lives in the UK or US. If you don't get coverage (or even reruns or delayed races) in a certain country then the best bet is to wait for a torrent. Those usually appear within 8-12 hours after the race. Then you have to download it (10-24 hours) and then watch it. If there is two races that weekend then add another 10-24 hours + first available time to watch. For example, I managed to see the IRL race on Monday evening and the CART race on Tuesday evening. So that's my side of things.

I still haven't heard a valid argument for putting a spoiler in a thread title!

#26 Dolph

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 15:11

Originally posted by Jackman
Or alternately we could get Dudley to update us on where he's up to with his viewing so that the entire bulletin board can bend to his will and we don't offend him delicate sensibilities. Have you could up on the 2000 season yet?


If you act like an a-hole then be ready to be called an a-hole.

#27 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 15:12

Because we're here to talk about racing, not to protect people who may not have seen the event yet. If you're going to go to all that trouble to torrent a Champ Car race, and avoid the autosport frontpage and other sites, you can stay off the BB for a while too.

#28 Josta

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 15:19

Will Power the 2008 Champ Car title winner?



It might not even have been a spoiler. It could have been a question asking what will power the 2008 Champ Car title winner? The answer would be Cosworth. :)

#29 Imperial

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 16:37

What kind of numb nuts would look at a motorsport forum on or after a SUNDAY when all race events take place if they were trying to avoid seeing a result?

This forum would be pretty silent if everyone had to give a few days grace period for all the numb ****s before starting threads.

Or what's the alternative, no titles for any of the threads?

Or how about "Did you see the thing that driver did in that unspecified series today?".

Yes, that would be a great idea.

#30 j madra

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 16:41

Originally posted by Imperial
What kind of numb nuts would look at a motorsport forum on or after a SUNDAY when all race events take place if they were trying to avoid seeing a result?


No kidding. If you don't want the races results to be spoiled, don't go reading a motorosports forum! Instead of requiring everyone else to coddle to your wishes, why not do the only thing that will *guarantee* a spoiler-free viewing and not go on the internet for an afternoon??

#31 Dudley

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 17:01

Originally posted by lustigson

Who's Karl? Maybe you're mistaking me for Karl Ludvigsen?;)


I was yes, it's very early/late (delete least believable)

Sorry.

I wonder how long Dudley would have us wait, as this race is unlikely to ever be shown in Europe.


It would be largely sensible to never have a race result in a thread title (note at no point am I saying it can't be discussed) but at least a week would be perfectly sensible if you must stick a time on it.

Because we're here to talk about racing, not to protect people who may not have seen the event yet. If you're going to go to all that trouble to torrent a Champ Car race, and avoid the autosport frontpage and other sites, you can stay off the BB for a while too.


Once again, no-one is saying it can't be discussed. They're just asking for basic courtesy in being given a chance to discuss other series without having one they're waiting for ruined to absolutely no benefit for anyone.

What kind of numb nuts would look at a motorsport forum on or after a SUNDAY when all race events take place if they were trying to avoid seeing a result?

This forum would be pretty silent if everyone had to give a few days grace period for all the numb ****s before starting threads.


Jesus!

No-one is saying don't discuss it!
No-one is saying don't start threads!

But a thread called "2008 Long Beach GP result" serves EXACTLY the same purpose as "Will Power wins Long Beach" except that people who've only seen the F1 can discuss the F1 in another thread without having Long Beach forcibly spoiled.

It would make the forum BUSIER not quieter.

#32 Risil

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 18:24

Originally posted by Jackman
Or alternately we could get Dudley to update us on where he's up to with his viewing so that the entire bulletin board can bend to his will and we don't offend him delicate sensibilities. Have you could up on the 2000 season yet?


I have just finished watching the 2007 Mexico City Champcar race. The series has undergone some difficult times of late, but it seems to be on the way up.

#33 Dudley

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 20:00

Technically it was, more cars started at LB than 2007 Mexico :)

#34 Imperial

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 23:06

Originally posted by Dudley
Jesus!

No-one is saying don't discuss it!
No-one is saying don't start threads!

But a thread called "2008 Long Beach GP result" serves EXACTLY the same purpose as "Will Power wins Long Beach" except that people who've only seen the F1 can discuss the F1 in another thread without having Long Beach forcibly spoiled.


Dude, I hear what you're saying but it's pretty obvious what is going to be discussed on a motorsport forum.

I got stung once many years ago while in an F1 chat room chatting whilst waiting for Eurosport's replay of the CART race that had taken place a couple of hours beforehand. Somebody waded straight in with something along the lines of "Man, Paul Tracey had a hell of a race to get that win today".

I learnt my lesson then and I wouldn't even be tempted to use the internet if I was avoiding a result.

Immediately after every F1 race this forum is full of new threads about various events that occured during the race. It's simply illogical and wholely unreasonable to title the threads for example "Today's F1 race: Discussion thread # 1", "Today's F1 race: Discussion thread # 2" and so on.

#35 stevvy1986

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 23:24

if you don't want to know a race result before seeing said race,don't go on a motorsport messageboard,or a motorsport website,or even a general news website!its not hard,if it spoils it for you,tough luck,you'll just have to accept it and hope that next time you get to see the race before having it spoilt,if its that big a deal,try suggesting to the mods that they create series specific sections on the forum such as an F1 section,IRL section,etc etc,that way you avoid the problem-whinging about it won't get you anywhere,that much is guaranteed,so either accept it,or suggest a different way of arranging the forum

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Posted 24 April 2008 - 02:24

Originally posted by Imperial


Dude, I hear what you're saying but it's pretty obvious what is going to be discussed on a motorsport forum.

I got stung once many years ago while in an F1 chat room chatting whilst waiting for Eurosport's replay of the CART race that had taken place a couple of hours beforehand. Somebody waded straight in with something along the lines of "Man, Paul Tracey had a hell of a race to get that win today".

I learnt my lesson then and I wouldn't even be tempted to use the internet if I was avoiding a result.

Immediately after every F1 race this forum is full of new threads about various events that occured during the race. It's simply illogical and wholely unreasonable to title the threads for example "Today's F1 race: Discussion thread # 1", "Today's F1 race: Discussion thread # 2" and so on.


Agreed.

Im sure we have all had moments where a result has been spoiled. I had a dickhead friend send me a txt msg with who won motegi and i hadnt had a chance to watch it yet. Oh well, shit happens and it was such a big story anyway that i wouldnt have been able to even turn on the TV without finding out very soon.

The ONLY way to avoid a result is to stay off the website. You cannot expect a site which has such high user contribution (bb) to be able to be sensored to a level that Dudley is requesting.

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Posted 24 April 2008 - 02:41

Originally posted by Dudley


It'd be appreciated Karl. Only in thread titles of course. You click on "IRL Motegi" you really do deserve it. But you should be able to browse the thread titles without having random other events spoiled.



Yes this happened last time, idiots trolled rather than exercise common courtesy at no cost to themselves.



Do you seriously suspend reality and pretend that what you are viewing is live?


Also the title is a QUESTION not a Statement that you assumed he won a race from it is your own conclusion completely, I guess you opened the thread to have a look which entirely your fault.

If your that sensitive to it, why even have the internet?

#38 Dudley

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Posted 24 April 2008 - 09:41

I already knew this result, if you read I did NOT make the initial complaint. If you look I made a perfectly sensible post to Dolph and then was insulted immediately by some idiot with a grudge for my trouble. Only then did I have to fight back.

I haven't opened the Nascar thread because I haven't seen Mexico, watching it now in fact.

And why would I not treat it as live? I know no more than if it were thanks to the Nascar people being considerate with their topic titles.

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Posted 24 April 2008 - 09:56

This is a motorsport forum, from a motorsport news website.

If you come here under the pretence of not wanting spoilers - you're an idiot.

On the flip side -how long should we wait? Should we not mention ANY motorsport for a period of 24 hours without the word 'spoiler'. Maybe 48 hours? A week? I've not seen the 1991 Brazillian Grand Prix yet - even help the person who spoils it for me!

If you don't want to find out about the results of a motor sport event ...

DON'T VISIT A FRICKIN MOTORSPORT FORUM.

Doug

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Posted 24 April 2008 - 11:15

Interesting debate on spoliers :p .

Anyhow it's a shame Will Power wasn't good enough to be an F1 driver, those dreadfully inconsistent drives with way too uncommon bit of speed in F3 and RWS put paid to that.

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Posted 24 April 2008 - 11:18

I haven't opened the Nascar thread because I haven't seen Mexico, watching it now in fact.



Come on people. Someone start the XYZ wins in Mexico thread? :)

#42 Dudley

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Posted 24 April 2008 - 13:04

Originally posted by djellison
This is a motorsport forum, from a motorsport news website.

If you come here under the pretence of not wanting spoilers - you're an idiot.

On the flip side -how long should we wait? Should we not mention ANY motorsport for a period of 24 hours without the word 'spoiler'. Maybe 48 hours? A week? I've not seen the 1991 Brazillian Grand Prix yet - even help the person who spoils it for me!

If you don't want to find out about the results of a motor sport event ...

DON'T VISIT A FRICKIN MOTORSPORT FORUM.

Doug


Indeed, and if I'd said anything remotely like what you just claimed I did rather than putting forward a plan that would, to no detriment to anyone, dramatically increase the discussion of any given race, you'd have a point.

#43 noikeee

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Posted 24 April 2008 - 13:26

I didn't understand this whole spoilers deal until I started downloading races myself. :D It would be nice not to have spoilers in the thread titles, but oh well, shit happens.

The title would've spoiled it for me, if I didn't browse to grandprix.com earlier as a kinda routine thing - they had Will Powers name right at the start of the main page. Î should've known better than visiting a motorsport news website, though. :p

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Posted 24 April 2008 - 16:20

Yeah, that's asking for it :) I have my autosport bookmarked linked to the F1 only page to solve that issue.