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#51 Owen

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 09:56

Originally posted by Galko877
Well, Ferrari seems to be superior - even more so than on the previous GPs. McLaren and BMW could have an exciting fight to be the 2nd best team. Renault are maybe back on 4th place where they were last year, but then teams like Toyota and Williams have not shown everything yet, I beleive. Still early day, of course, but Ferrari looks dominant.


:up: Agreed. Can't see anyone getting near Ferrari here.

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#52 Clubman21

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 09:59

I don´t know, but Ferrari looks not sooo much faster to me here? :confused:
Kubica is only ~1 second away, so that´s a good sign for BMW on a friday.
Lewis looks quite good for me, I don´t know about Heikki as he couldn´t drive that much.

#53 hello86

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 09:59

a can´t read that: "join the debate"

#54 Formulaonefan

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 10:04

Massa going 1 sec faster in Bahrain practice was a flaw as that was on low fuel. fair enough he was faster than Kimi but not 1 sec.

#55 hello86

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 10:04

Originally posted by Clubman21
I don´t know, but Ferrari looks not sooo much faster to me here? :confused:
Kubica is only ~1 second away, so that´s a good sign for BMW on a friday.
Lewis looks quite good for me, I don´t know about Heikki as he couldn´t drive that much.


yes I agree.

And then again I don´t understand why Kimi was so slow at his second and third outing! :confused:

At that time both Hamilton and Kubica were faster.

#56 Galko877

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 10:08

Originally posted by Clubman21
I don´t know, but Ferrari looks not sooo much faster to me here? :confused:


Funny, but my impression was the opposite, that this could be the first time when they would be REALLY dominant this year. But we will see.

#57 kar

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 10:13

Originally posted by Youichi


You can discuss the FP live, click the "JOIN THE DEBATE: SHOW LIVE FORUM THREAD" in red at the bottom of the live comentary.


AAAAHHHHH thanks for that, completely missed that link, it's not very well placed putting it in a part of the page usually reserved for meaningless terms/contact links etc.

They need to make that link more prominent.

#58 Mika Mika

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 10:17

Its' deffo

Ferrari
McLaren
BMW
Renault

Thoes McLaren Dampers that they have put onto the Renault have helped loads ;)

#59 Formulaonefan

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 10:18

Massa done a 22:3 first time in first sector Hami and Kova 22:4 and 22:6 respectively Massa is fine it is Kimi that is having problems.

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#60 Formulaonefan

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 10:19

Ferrari using the concept Mika Mika first it was McLaren that copied this year.

#61 denthierry

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 10:26

Originally posted by hello86


yes I agree.

And then again I don´t understand why Kimi was so slow at his second and third outing! :confused:

At that time both Hamilton and Kubica were faster.


fuel loads, come on!

#62 FeralMetal

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 10:29

Originally posted by Formulaonefan
Ferrari using the concept Mika Mika first it was McLaren that copied this year.



Oh yeh, like Mosley, FIA and Ferrari would let them get away with that FFS.

#63 Mika Mika

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 10:36

Originally posted by Formulaonefan
Ferrari using the concept Mika Mika first it was McLaren that copied this year.


The J damper where what the Drawing's that where the centre of the Renault Spygate case... Nothing to do with Ferrari...

McLaren were using them in 2006 IIRC...

#64 Galko877

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 10:40

Originally posted by Mika Mika


Thoes McLaren Dampers that they have put onto the Renault have helped loads ;)


I wonder if it would help Piquet get closer to Alonso. I don't think this close as we have seen in this FP, but a smoother car might help the weaker driver more than the one who is being able to handle a more difficult car as well. So I will be curious if from now on Piquet will be somewhat closer to Alonso.

#65 Dolk

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 10:55

Originally posted by kar
Me too, I want to talk to others during FP, not flick between 6 windows :(


http://www.autosport.com/chat/

Voila!

#66 Hack

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 11:37

Originally posted by hello86
a can´t read that: "join the debate"


Please post you browser and OS details in this thread if you can't see JOIN THE DEBATE > SHOW LIVE FORUM THREAD in a red bar at the bottom of this page.

Originally posted by Sébastien

I know but I cannot post from there, also if many join during the race the comments will be streaming so fast that you cannot read any of them. :


You posted successfully to the thread. Again, let me know your configuration if there is a problem.


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#67 Dalton007

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 12:18

Has ITV finally blocked non-UK hits? Coverage is much better.

#68 i.am.cloned

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 13:16

Originally posted by Dalton007
Has ITV finally blocked non-UK hits? Coverage is much better.

nope :) I think it's just friday.
btw pique has just gone faster then alonso and they are 1st and 2nd at the moment

#69 Galko877

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 13:47

Originally posted by i.am.cloned
nope :) I think it's just friday.
btw pique has just gone faster then alonso and they are 1st and 2nd at the moment


Looks like Piquet is on Alonso's heels this time on a track that is not unknown for him like the previous ones.

#70 Atreiu

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 14:06

If it ain't broke...

#71 Dragonfly

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 14:27

Originally posted by Dalton007
Has ITV finally blocked non-UK hits? Coverage is much better.

Obviously not to my great satisfaction. And stop whining please.

#72 WOOT

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 14:30

It's funny how everyone hates ITV but still scramble to watch their coverage. What a bunch of hypocrites. I can only hope BBC makes it much harder for non UK viewers.

#73 markf

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 14:31

Originally posted by WOOT
It's funny how everyone hates ITV but still scramble to watch their coverage. What a bunch of hypocrites. I can only hope BBC makes it much harder for non UK viewers.


:down:

#74 Owen

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 14:34

Hmmm. Lots of work to do for McLaren clearly. :down:

#75 BiH

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 14:47

times from free practice 2 suggest that renault have made a jump into fourth best team......ferrari lapping 1:22 and bmw and mclaren in low 1:23 and high 1:22....

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 14:47

here is all the lap times for both sessions
http://www.fia.com/spaingp/timing.html

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 15:22

Originally posted by WOOT
It's funny how everyone hates ITV but still scramble to watch their coverage. What a bunch of hypocrites. I can only hope BBC makes it much harder for non UK viewers.



Seems to me you are quite bitter human being.

#78 denthierry

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 15:34

Originally posted by BiH
here is all the lap times for both sessions
http://www.fia.com/spaingp/timing.html


Session 2, KR's times : let's just say his consistency over laps 16, 17 & 18 was pretty OK shall we? :drunk: :up:

#79 jonpollak

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 15:37

Hey gang...
What IS the problem?

The new service is good.... get all the info in a timely manner!!
All you have to do is sit back and touch nothing..unless you want to
Nobody needs to swop between screens just resize your browser window's like this


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Go on.. check it out

Jp

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#80 Tenmantaylor

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 15:48

JP dont you get it? The internet is for complaining ONLY :rolleyes: ;)

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 15:53

Originally posted by Hacklerf
Kimi got a skinhead


He didn't have time time to escape? Well done. :up:

Usually they hit birds...



#82 Only Massa

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 16:07

Live coverage is ok.

But where is the "Friday Session Comments Thread"?

Thanks.

#83 AFCA

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 16:10

Originally posted by Only Massa

But where is the "Friday Session Comments Thread"?


Just use this one since it's being discussed already anyway.

--------

Spanish GP - Free practice

Barcelona, 25th April 2008

Free practice - First session

K.Raikkonen: 1st 1.20.649 17 laps chassis 270
F.Massa: 2nd 1.20.699 9 laps chassis 267
Weather: air temperature 28/30 °C, track temperature 35/39 °C, sunny.

Free Practice - Second session

K.Raikkonen: 1st 1.21.935 38 laps chassis 270
F.Massa: 5th 1.22.229 32 laps chassis 267
Weather: air temperature 25/26 °C, track temperature 36 °C, sunny.

"Today's two sessions were slightly different to usual for Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro, given that last week it took part in a four day long test session at this track. This meant today's program revolved around confirming the ideas on set-up developed from the test and on a comparison of the two types of tyre Bridgestone has brought here, in terms of their performance over a single lap and on a long run. "All in all, we can be satisfied with the way these three hours of free practice have gone," commented Scuderia Ferrari Team Principal Stefano Domenicali. "We got through our planned work load without any technical problems. We can be cautiously confident about the rest of the weekend, well aware that we are up against some stiff opposition."

Kimi Raikkonen: "I am pleased with this first day of testing. We did the work we needed to do and had no problems, this being probably the most positive thing. The balance of the car is good, even if there is always room to improve and its handling was also good on both types of tyre. As usual on Friday, it is hard to judge where we are up against our rivals and I think we can expect a very close fight. The new nose? We wouldn't use it if it didn't give us a little something extra!"

Felipe Massa: "This was a good day. From what we have seen, I think we will be competitive this weekend and we are working in the right direction. Track conditions will improve over the next couple of days. Today, it was a bit on the limit and it was easy to make mistakes. In fact, when I spun this morning, I flat spotted the left rear tyre and that's why I didn't do many laps in the first session, as it wasn't worth using a new set of tyres. I could have posted a quicker time in the afternoon, but I had some traffic on my first flying lap on soft tyres. It's my birthday today and I would love to give myself a nice present on Sunday."

Luca Baldisserri: "We had a good starting point thanks to the work carried out here last week, so we worked mainly on confirming the results from that test. We had no technical problems, which meant we got through all our programme. It is always difficult to make predictions based on what you can see on a Friday, but I think we can be reasonably optimistic about the rest of the weekend."

#84 wingwalker

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 16:16

Originally posted by jonpollak
Hey gang...
What IS the problem?

The new service is good.... get all the info in a timely manner!!
All you have to do is sit back and touch nothing..unless you want to
Nobody needs to swop between screens just resize your browser window's like this


Posted Image
Go on.. check it out

Jp



The problem is, with 1024*768 there is no way you can have quick post and live timing and stream at the same time. It would be much better to move the quick post window to the bottom of the comments.

#85 jonpollak

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 16:40

Oh...I see what you mean..sort of.
You would rather have a long window rather than a wide one?
I am sure R&D will have it sorted for the next race.

Wow..kinda sounds like we are working on a car!!
:D

Jp

#86 HSJ

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 17:56

In FP1 Massa spun almost the same way he spun in the Malaysian GP. Weird.

In FP2 Kimi ruined JB's fast lap in a rather unsportsmanlike way.

Ferrari clearly handling better than the other cars today.

Heikki had a problem-filled day.

Aguri turned up.

That's about it really. :)

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 19:05

Can anyone shed some light on the pecking order today? It's a "messy" results-sheet from both sessions, and I'm never able to find the laptimes on the FIA site...

Ferrari are obviously ahead, and by some margin. I guess it's tight between BMW and McLaren, but how is it between Red Bull and Renault? Toyota may be a bit off, perhaps the same with Honda. What sort of weekend are Williams in for?

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 19:07

Originally posted by wingwalker



The problem is, with 1024*768 there is no way you can have quick post and live timing and stream at the same time. It would be much better to move the quick post window to the bottom of the comments.


I didn't even see the live comments thingy in the commentary page....

#89 undersquare

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 19:42

Originally posted by HSJ
In FP1 Massa spun almost the same way he spun in the Malaysian GP. Weird.

In FP2 Kimi ruined JB's fast lap in a rather unsportsmanlike way.

Ferrari clearly handling better than the other cars today.

Heikki had a problem-filled day.

Aguri turned up.

That's about it really. :)


Funny, Felipe also held up Nico at the end, Nico took the old last corner to get ahead onto the straight, waited for him and messed up his lap in an "as ye sow" moment ...Nico not as soft as Jense, then :lol:

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 20:46

I'll answer my own question :)

Ferrari on long stints does high 22's - 1.22.8 ish from Räikkönen.
BMW 1.23.1
McLaren 1.23.2
Red Bull 1.23.7
Renault 1.23.8
Toyota 1.24.1
Williams 1.24.2
Honda 1.24.3
Force India 1.24.4
Toro Rosso 1.24.4
Super Aguri 1.26.3

Looking into all stint-times, I have to say BMW look very good, and I'm sure clear of McLaren, as they traditionally go for a heavier fuel load than most, and sticks to it.
With great one-lap pace as well, I suspect they'll be unthreathened in their position as second best.
I think Williams could also be more competitive than their stints show.

(No offence to any previous thread-starters, but it's much better when we have proper threads to discuss practice, qualifying and the race in. A good round-up of the session invites to a better discussion IMO)

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 20:48

race addicted: thanks :)

#92 GiancarloF1

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 20:54

Hopefully it rains on Sunday and maybe even on Saturday. I don't want to see another boring Ferrari romp.

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 21:39

Originally posted by Hack


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#94 Dragonfly

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Posted 26 April 2008 - 00:06

Originally posted by undersquare


Funny, Felipe also held up Nico at the end, Nico took the old last corner to get ahead onto the straight, waited for him and messed up his lap in an "as ye sow" moment ...Nico not as soft as Jense, then :lol:

Nico acted like a stupid donkey.

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Posted 26 April 2008 - 00:24

Drivers average lap times on the long runs:

Free Practise 2

1. Raikkonen.. 10 lap stint 1:23'158
2. Hamilton..... 8 lap stint 1:23'658
3. Kubica...... 10 lap stint 1:23'693
4. Heidfeld...... 7 lap stint 1:23'789
5. Alonso........ 4 lap stint 1:23'806
6. Kovalainen........ 4 laps 1:23'850
7. Massa....... 10 lap stint 1:23'886
8. Piquet....... 12 lap stint 1:23'898
9. Trulli........... 8 lap stint 1:24'111
10. Webber.... 11 lap stint 1:24'269
11. Couthard.... 6 lap stint 1:24'302
12. Rosberg..... 4 lap stint 1:24'620
13. Button....... 7 lap stint 1:24'630
14. Glock......... 8 lap stint 1:24'676
15. Fisichella... 10 lap stint 1:25'016
16. Vettel........ 9 lap stint 1:25'094
17. Sutil......... 10 lap stint 1:25'113
18. Nakajima..... 8 lap stint 1:25'116
19. Barrichello. 16 lap stint 1:25'202
20. Bourdais .....8 lap stint 1:25'434
21. Sato.......... 8 lap stint 1:26'235
22. Davidson.... 8 lap stint 1:27'075

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Posted 26 April 2008 - 03:45

Originally posted by intelligentsia
Drivers average lap times on the long runs:

Free Practise 2

1. Raikkonen.. 10 lap stint 1:23'158
2. Hamilton..... 8 lap stint 1:23'658
3. Kubica...... 10 lap stint 1:23'693
4. Heidfeld...... 7 lap stint 1:23'789
5. Alonso........ 4 lap stint 1:23'806
6. Kovalainen........ 4 laps 1:23'850
7. Massa....... 10 lap stint 1:23'886
8. Piquet....... 12 lap stint 1:23'898
9. Trulli........... 8 lap stint 1:24'111
10. Webber.... 11 lap stint 1:24'269
11. Couthard.... 6 lap stint 1:24'302
12. Rosberg..... 4 lap stint 1:24'620
13. Button....... 7 lap stint 1:24'630
14. Glock......... 8 lap stint 1:24'676
15. Fisichella... 10 lap stint 1:25'016
16. Vettel........ 9 lap stint 1:25'094
17. Sutil......... 10 lap stint 1:25'113
18. Nakajima..... 8 lap stint 1:25'116
19. Barrichello. 16 lap stint 1:25'202
20. Bourdais .....8 lap stint 1:25'434
21. Sato.......... 8 lap stint 1:26'235
22. Davidson.... 8 lap stint 1:27'075


Thanks. :)

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Posted 26 April 2008 - 04:02

Originally posted by intelligentsia
Drivers average lap times on the long runs:

Free Practise 2

1. Raikkonen.. 10 lap stint 1:23'158
2. Hamilton..... 8 lap stint 1:23'658
3. Kubica...... 10 lap stint 1:23'693
4. Heidfeld...... 7 lap stint 1:23'789
5. Alonso........ 4 lap stint 1:23'806
6. Kovalainen........ 4 laps 1:23'850
7. Massa....... 10 lap stint 1:23'886
8. Piquet....... 12 lap stint 1:23'898
9. Trulli........... 8 lap stint 1:24'111
10. Webber.... 11 lap stint 1:24'269
11. Couthard.... 6 lap stint 1:24'302
12. Rosberg..... 4 lap stint 1:24'620
13. Button....... 7 lap stint 1:24'630
14. Glock......... 8 lap stint 1:24'676
15. Fisichella... 10 lap stint 1:25'016
16. Vettel........ 9 lap stint 1:25'094
17. Sutil......... 10 lap stint 1:25'113
18. Nakajima..... 8 lap stint 1:25'116
19. Barrichello. 16 lap stint 1:25'202
20. Bourdais .....8 lap stint 1:25'434
21. Sato.......... 8 lap stint 1:26'235
22. Davidson.... 8 lap stint 1:27'075

Thanks for calculating those laptimes. :)

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Posted 26 April 2008 - 07:38

Originally posted by WOOT


I didn't even see the live comments thingy in the commentary page....


It's disabled by default, you need to click a link to make it show.

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Posted 26 April 2008 - 08:27

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