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#1 alg7_munif

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:22

So Alonso didn't even finish the race.

Hopefully Heiki will be back for the next race. McLaren could get position 3rd and 4th with their race pace.

Heidfeld is the next victim of the unfair safety car rule.

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#2 Atreiu

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:31

1 - these cars are just as fast as they are horrible for racing;
2 - but the track is also a bore.

#3 dawg_7529

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:34

The penalty for heidfeld is an absolute travesty. Ridiculous.

#4 Atreiu

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:36

By the way, this is the first time I actually wanted a race to be over some 10 laps before it should just because of how boring it is.

#5 race addicted

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:43

Congratulations to Räikkönen and Ferrari on a copybook GP-weekend; pole position, fastest laps and the win.
Massa makes it a 1-2 for the Scuderia, but he hasn't been able to live with his team-mate this weekend.

-Hamilton has raced really well and got the final podium position; well deserved. Kovalainen crashed heavily but is unhurt apparently, only a bruised elbow(?).

-BMW and Kubica continues their streak of strong performances with a fine fourth. McLaren beat them though, so perhaps it will swing back and forth between them from now on.
A weekend to forget for Heidfeld who was on the back-foot from qualifying. A 10-second stop & go finished his race.

-Red Bull Racing comes away with a handful of points again, courtesy of Webber, who's once again performed brilliantly throughout. DC looked strong initially, but has been off-pace from qualifying onwards. A puncture smashed the small chance of netting the final point.

-Button somehow climbed his way up to sixth! He seemed to go quicker when he got the sniff of scoring points. Well done.

-Points for Nakajima, who has had a strong race, and also did well in qualifying by beating Rosberg...
...who sadly retired from a points-scoring position when his engine blew.

-Trulli and Toyota has perhaps fallen backwards a bit when everybody brought updates to their cars. Secured the final point though, in stark contrast to Glock, who tried a clumsy move diving down the inside of Coulthard.

-Force India and Fisichella features again, this time racing convincingly with the Honda's and Coulthard's Red Bull. Sutil out on lap one after he nudged DC.

-Sato moved up in the safety car period after Kovalainen's crash, and hopefully boosted his teams morale a bit when he ran high up the order for a few laps.

-Alonso's engine let go, to the huge dissapointments of his home-crowd, and obviously to himself and his team, who packs up with no points on the board.

-Both cars retired for STR.

Please discuss, and share your views and verdicts!

#6 papa

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:45

Originally posted by dawg_7529
The penalty for heidfeld is an absolute travesty. Ridiculous.


it hapenned to others as well...not in this race but it hapenned

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:45

Just dull. So dreadfully dreadfully dull.

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:45

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGG. :yawn:

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:46

Originally posted by papa


it hapenned to others as well...not in this race but it hapenned


Yep, but it was a bad rule the, and its still a bad rule.

#10 alg7_munif

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:46

McLaren doesn't have the pace with heavy fuel load like Ferrari and BMW but they still opted for a heavy fuel strategy. :down:

#11 Clatter

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:47

Originally posted by djellison
Just dull. So dreadfully dreadfully dull.


Reckon the highlights program should be about a minute long.

#12 papa

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:47

Originally posted by alg7_munif
So Alonso didn't even finish the race.

Hopefully Heiki will be back for the next race. McLaren could get position 3rd and 4th with their race pace.

Heidfeld is the next victim of the unfair safety car rule.


I amo not sure about 4th position...

Alonso stayed longer(1sec and half longer then Kubica and hamilton...he loaded 5 laps more then them) in a 1st pit,I am not sure whether Heidfeld or Heikki would cath him...

difficult to say

#13 Digitaldrug

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:48

Ferrari look pretty dominant, about 3-5 tenths faster than the rest, while Renault look to be within a few tenths of Mclaren and BMW, although its hard to tell because Alonso never had much opportunity to show his pace without someone ahead of him. His qualifying yesterday was pretty good, he almost beat Massa fuel corrected and the Mclarens. This looks set to be 2004 domination btw.

#14 Ricardo F1

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:48

Perfect job from Kimi, Massa doing a fine number two role and Hamilton shows McLaren are still there or thereabout. Glad to hear that Heikki's OK. Sad for Alonso in front of his fans but the faux pole attempt didn't pay off much anyway.

#15 Clatter

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:48

Originally posted by alg7_munif
McLaren doesn't have the pace with heavy fuel load like Ferrari and BMW but they still opted for a heavy fuel strategy. :down:


What would you do then? A 3 stopper would have put them further back in the race.

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:49

Originally posted by dawg_7529
The penalty for heidfeld is an absolute travesty. Ridiculous.


I concur. Why should someone be penalised for another drivers fukc up? :o Maybe BMW should sue Toyota for disadvantaging them LOL!

#17 papa

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:49

Originally posted by Clatter


Yep, but it was a bad rule the, and its still a bad rule.


agree ...

this track is really boring

aerodynamics kill racing...

cars really need some extra power to overtake

e.g.Hamilton had no chance to overtake Alonso...did not even consider it ...I am sure

Heidfeld barely got Fisico

#18 Coral

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:50

This track is so dull, the races here are so boring. Today's race was very eventful, though not in the right way. :|
I'm just glad that Heikki Kovalainen is OK...I really did fear the worst for a while. Pretty easy 1-2 for Ferrari...Kimi never looked under pressure. Lewis Hamilton did very well under the circumstances...McLaren cannot live with the Ferraris at the moment, but it is not as bad as it looked yesterday.

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:50

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#20 bobqzzi

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:51

Nice job by Ferrari. Mclaren a bit off, but within striking distance it seems. Too bad about Alonso.

Is DC jut going to hit anybody who gets near him? Always liked him, but his frustration is reflected in his driving.

#21 Hugenholtz

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:52

Good job, Kimi. He got it all under control this year. Thank God Heikki seems to be okay. And some rotten luck for Heidfeld.

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:52

Originally posted by bobqzzi
Is DC jut going to hit anybody who gets near him? Always liked him, but his frustration is reflected in his driving.


Indeed. If Sato pulled the same move on DC as DC pulled on Glock, they would have hit each other. Again, you don't change your line when already in the braking area, something DC constantly keeps doing.

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:53

I'm just hoping next year's Aero regs change the race-ability of these cars...

Kimi was absolutely flawless.

I was hoping that Kova didn't break a leg, it must have been extremely frightening going under the barriers like that...

Massa did what he had to do to finish second.

McLaren prove that there isn't much in the Doom and gloom that people keep talking about. They had the pace for coming in 3-4, Hamilton finishing 3rd was good damage limitation (this, however, was helped by 2x safety cars though).

BMW's show that they are on par with McLaren (and Ferrari) yet again, any slip up by these two teams and BMW will be looking at more podiums and even wins, it's a matter of "when", and not "if".

Another great race by Webber, I am really happy for him, really like the guy, didn't put a foot wrong :).

As for me personally, there's still so much mixed feelings about Raikkonnen winning... but in a Ferrari :. Oh well, there isn't much I can do about it. Hopefully McLaren will find some more pace soon, and challenge Kimi some more.

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:53

I was playing yahoo chess while the race was on, and I swear I was playing against Ross Brawn on there!

#25 Yellowmc

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:54

Raikkonen - :clap: - never looked under pressure. Pole, fastest lap and victory.
Massa - :clap: - I thought he would be faster but secured 2nd.
Hamilton - :wave: - Got on the podium, best he can do.

Heikki - :eek: - Get well soon, there was a problem with the car, Ron suggests there was a stone between the rim and suspension which caused the tyre failure.

#26 Atreiu

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:54

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#27 TheSaltire

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:54

Question...who's the big blonde haired dude at Ferrari who's always in the front of the pits and the gates during the podium ceremony?

#28 ruby soho

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:54

Seems that spaniards don't like Lewis that much...

#29 Menace

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:54

:clap:

Glad to hear Heikki is ok. :( :)

DC... :down:

#30 Yellowmc

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:54

Someone merge the 2 threads.

#31 race addicted

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:55

Originally posted by Gecko


Indeed. If Sato pulled the same move on DC as DC pulled on Glock, they would have hit each other. Again, you don't change your line when already in the braking area, something DC constantly keeps doing.


DC stayed on his line- the racing line. It's a tight entry to that corner, and it was Glock's fault all the way.

#32 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:55

Originally posted by Gecko


Indeed. If Sato pulled the same move on DC as DC pulled on Glock, they would have hit each other. Again, you don't change your line when already in the braking area, something DC constantly keeps doing.

if dc pulled the same move he did on massa or button, still a crash
sato showed him that sometimes it's better to give room

#33 Clatter

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:55

Originally posted by papa


agree ...

this track is really boring

aerodynamics kill racing...

cars really need some extra power to overtake

e.g.Hamilton had no chance to overtake Alonso...did not even consider it ...I am sure

Heidfeld barely got Fisico


True. Slipstreaming is a thing of the past while we have the stupid rev limit.

#34 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:56

Originally posted by race addicted


DC stayed on his line- the racing line. It's a tight entry to that corner, and it was Glock's fault all the way.

dc MOVED while braking. he was not on the racing line there
what is your opionion on the move with sato

#35 imaginesix

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:56

Originally posted by ensign14
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGG. :yawn:

Of course it is, that's why they keep coming back to Barcelona; to make all the other boring races look exciting by comparison.

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:57

Originally posted by race addicted


DC stayed on his line- the racing line. It's a tight entry to that corner, and it was Glock's fault all the way.

Correct.

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:58

Originally posted by race addicted


DC stayed on his line- the racing line. It's a tight entry to that corner, and it was Glock's fault all the way.


He did not, he moved to the inside much before the turn entry, during or just before braking.

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:59

Originally posted by race addicted


DC stayed on his line- the racing line. It's a tight entry to that corner, and it was Glock's fault all the way.


It was abolutely foolish driving by DC IMO. He closed the doorand drove into Glock instead of just liftig and letting him by.

#39 bobqzzi

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 13:59

Originally posted by race addicted


DC stayed on his line- the racing line. It's a tight entry to that corner, and it was Glock's fault all the way.


No, not at all. He slowed dramatically and when Glock went inside he barged over into him. He then proceeded to try and push him off the track after the exit. He's becoming dangerous.

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#40 TheSaltire

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 14:00

Question...who's the big blonde haired dude at Ferrari who's always in the front of the pits and the gates during the podium ceremony?

#41 race addicted

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 14:00

Originally posted by Gecko


He did not, he moved to the inside much before the turn entry, during or just before braking.


OK, that's how you see it. I disagree. It's a tight entry and it's amplified by DC turning in earlier than most.

#42 juary

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 14:01

Heikky... :up:

Perfect week end for Kimi :up:

Button :up:

Nakajima :up:

Fisi :up:

DC and Piquet jr. :down:

#43 Taxi

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 14:01

classic kimi. Simple, no pressure just perfect...

Glad Haeikki is ok. That was scary

#44 F1 RusH

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 14:02

Originally posted by TheSaltire
Question...who's the big blonde haired dude at Ferrari who's always in the front of the pits and the gates during the podium ceremony?


I don`t know, but the camaraman has had a crush on him for years.

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 14:02

Originally posted by race addicted
DC stayed on his line- the racing line. It's a tight entry to that corner, and it was Glock's fault all the way.

He wasn't on the racing line to begin with and then he changed his line on top of that too, it was clearly visible on TV. So it is evident that he knew Glock was at least threatening to pass and decided to take his line away. Well it was the wrong decision, Glock did everything he could to try and avoid him but they collided anyways so (hindsight being 20/20) Coulthard's move was misjudged.

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 14:02

A stroll in the park for Kimi by the looks of it but it's a long season and Mclaren were finally able to show their true race pace. I don't think they've lost second place yet, although BMW are now within a couple of tenths and have been all season.

Fourth and fifth teams are now clearly the two Renault powered outfits with little to choose between them here.

Great drive by Webber again. His upcoming battles with Alonso promise much.

Good start and excellent drive from Hamilton as well - again a nice bit of opportunism setting up the podium.

Kubica was flawless again. Both he and Hamilton were heavier than the Ferraris in Q3.


Lovely to see Fisi battling for a point.

#47 papa

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 14:02

Originally posted by Clatter


True. Slipstreaming is a thing of the past while we have the stupid rev limit.


Yep...this f.....g rev limiter is part of the problem...

driver really need this sudden boost of power to overtake(especially on the straight)
and they would use very high revs. at their own risk for a short period of time

hope(but I am not sure) KERS will help...

#48 Only Massa

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 14:02

I think we should not get fooled by the finishing times: without safety cars both Ferraris would have finished 20-30 seconds ahead of third placed Hamilton.

Today the red cars seemed untouchable.

#49 race addicted

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 14:03

Originally posted by bobqzzi

He then proceeded to try and push him off the track after the exit. He's becoming dangerous.


Yes. Absolutely. He tried that. I know it too.
I also think DC somehow had a hand in Watergate and never helps old women cross the street.

#50 papa

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 14:03

Originally posted by TheSaltire
Question...who's the big blonde haired dude at Ferrari who's always in the front of the pits and the gates during the podium ceremony?


seems that You chose the most memorable moment of the race :)