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#1 race addicted

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:35

Turkey hat-trick for Felipe Massa! Well done on netting a relatively easy win, knowing that Hamilton was on three-stops.
Team-mate Räikkönen doesn't seem to perform too well here, and had to settle for third.

-Positive trend for McLaren as they have taken a further step forwards. Great drive from Hamilton, passing Massa as he had to, in order to use the full potential of his three-stop strategy.
Kovalainen's race was ruined on lap one when one of his rear tires punctured.

-Kubica looked quick on selected laps, but BMW haven't been as competitive as one expects from them this year. It's still a solid fourth and fifth for Kubica and Heidfeld.

-Alonso raced in a vacuum, but he did it well to bring home good points. An impressive sixth.
Piquet made a couple of mistakes, but raced at a good pace in the last stint.

-Webber picks up two points and has now got as many points as he got in total last year. DC raced strongly and looked like threathening Rosberg for the last point. However as seen on both Red Bull's, they struggled in the last stint on softs. Especially the first sector proved difficult for them.

-Rosberg salvaged a point from 11th on the grid. A strong performance, and opposite to Red Bull, the Williams flew on the soft compound.

-Trulli had a bad start and that really sealed his race. Glock's pace was roughly the same, so all in all he's done very well this weekend.

-Honda one-stopped and especially Button was quick towards the end of his two stints, on both tires.

-Fisichella grossly misjudged the braking point for T1 at the start and crashed spectacularly with Nakajima. Not the best or easiest weekend for Force India, as Sutil also encountered problems.

-Toro Rosso will be glad this weekend is finally over. Bourdais spun off with meachanical failure and there's no luc2 for Vettel; he got through the first lap but made four pit-stops....

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#2 internetf1

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:38

Proof that LH is a good car developer and knows how to setup his car. McLaren clearly ahead in pace compared to BMW and closer to Ferrari here than they were last year. Very good race for Hamilton. Pushing hard in all the 4 stints. Disappointing job by Raikkonen. Great job by Massa for not making mistakes under pressure. Overall, the pass on Massa by LH made my day.

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:38

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#4 pasadena

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:39

Great race! It put back faith into F1 for me!

Massa :up: :up: :up: - fastest whenever he needed to be!
Hamilton :up: :up: :up: - for the courage of trying the different strategy and great pace and a pass for the lead
Räikkönen :up: - a subdued weekend, fast but not consistent enough
BMW pair :up: - standard performance
Alonso :up: :up: - I doubt anything more was possible
Kovalainen :up: :up: - many great passes

#5 carbonfibre

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:40

Great race by massa! Same can be said for Hamilton by getting a P2. Raikonen saved some points so he doesnt lose that much.

Overall a great race with some good overtaking!! I love turkey!

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:40

Much better than the spanish GP.
McLaren finally tried a different strategy and it worked out. Who knows what will happen when they lock out the front row and Kovalainen doesn't get a first lap puncture?


Anyhow, Massa knows his way around here. Raikkonen wasn't even close this time. Great race by Hamilton.




Bring on Monaco!

#7 internetf1

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:40

Kimi doesn't look very happy in the podium.

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:41

Hamilton was on a 3 stopper due to problems with the tyres. It worked out well in the end but he did not gain or lose anything. He was great on those low fuel laps.

Massa was supreme from start to finish.

Raikkonen was quiet but he scored 6 points and I have to say, had he got a better start he would certainly have been ahead of Hamilton. He lost a lot of time behind Kubica.

The race itself was quite good, we had a lot of passing in the final corners and Kovaleinen was the main spark for that.

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:41

Alonso was just superb, edging out the rest of the mid-field with a classic Fernando pace.

It's also the Hamilton we missed for the past few races, when he is on it he is really on it. It was a joy to watch.

Shame for Kovalainen although fourth was probably the best he could hope for, but at least he gave us a lot of entertainment! I had my hearth in mouth when he pulled a move on Coulthard, but luckily this time it went fine.

Great for Webber and Rosberg to bring some points back home to their respective teams. A bit disappointing for Webber as he would have wanted to beat Alonso, but the better driver probably made the difference today.

Idiot of the race award goes to Fisichella, that was just a rookie mistake and very dangerous too. Otherwise, great racecraft from everyone :up:

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:41

Indeed a great performance from Lewis and a quite brilliant strategy from McLaren (for a change ;)).

After his pretty ragged qualifying days I wouldn't have thought he could drive so consistent and error-free :up: .

Kimi threw away second place yesterday, the bad start was the final nail in the coffin. Massa may wish every race would be in Turkey.

Shame about Kova, solid delivery by Alonso (but I fear the gap to the top three teams will stay that way for the rest of the season).

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:42

I thought this would be a boring race beforehand, but it actually turned out to be quite exciting. Good race for Massa, and very good race for Lewis Hamilton...what a bold strategy for McLaren!

This season is not over yet... :)

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:42

Great race, interesting strategy difference made for some exciting laps in the middle of the race. The difference between the McLaren-Soft and Ferrari-Hard wasn't big enough to cause some last laps drama, but you can't have it all.

Good race by Ferrari and McLaren, and thumbs up to the Turkish circuit. The Turks have built one of the best tracks in modern F1. :up:

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:42

Originally posted by internetf1
Kimi doesn't look very happy in the podium.

:lol: compared to every other time he hasent looked very happy on the podium no matter what step.

Well he hung in there and didnt bin it so was a solid job from him.

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:44

Originally posted by Yellowmc


Raikkonen was quiet but he scored 6 points and I have to say, had he got a better start he would certainly have been ahead of Hamilton. He lost a lot of time behind Kubica..


But then if Kovi and Hami got a better start then they could have won, they didn't, he didn't so they didn't win.

Lost lot of time behind Kubica yes, but Alonso also did him a favour by not putting up much of a fight.

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:44

Originally posted by as65p

Kimi threw away second place yesterday, the bad start was the final nail in the coffin.


The start was not bad. McLaren no.2 driver tried to take him out so he had to lift.

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:44

Originally posted by as65p

Kimi threw away second place yesterday, the bad start was the final nail in the coffin. Massa may wish every race would be in Turkey.
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Kimi got a great start, but he was blocked in by Kovalainen.

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:45

Originally posted by Anomnader


But then if Kovi and Hami got a better start then they could have won, they didn't, he didn't so they didn't win.

Lost lot of time behind Kubica yes, but Alonso also did him a favour by not putting up much of a fight.


No, no. I was talking about the unfortunate circumstances with Kovaleinen. Raikkonen was squeezed out resulting lost places for him and a amaged tyre for Kovaleinen.

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:45

McLaren are going to have to get their soft tyre situation sorted out.

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:46

Raikkonen was again mediocre. Hopefully Massa wins this WDC, he deserves it.

Star of the race: Hamilton :up:

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:46

mclaren succumbed to ferraris superior pace and reverted to a 3 stop strategy. I hope the fia bans mclaren for about 60 years and lewis hamilton too.

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:46

Originally posted by Yellowmc

Raikkonen was quiet but he scored 6 points and I have to say, had he got a better start he would certainly have been ahead of Hamilton. He lost a lot of time behind Kubica.


Also if Massa would have put up even little resistance against Hamilton Kimi would have been second. Of course then Massa would have gained only two points from Kimi.

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:47

The McLaren stratgey made things look better than they were in reality.

Man of the race for me is Kovalainen, after the punture in the SC phase and being dropped to last. Lots of gutsy moves. Just why he couldn't make a pass stick immediately is a bit of a mistery to me. Hamilton blew the win in Q3.

Without Kovalainen in the picture, the first four ended where they started, then comes Heidfeld who more or less swapped places with Webber.

Obviously I'm happy for Ferrari and Massa. But a great race it wasn't.

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:47

What I want to know is how outstanding Heikki and Massa's qualifying laps were.

McLaren's strategy today was very positive, but the issue with Lewis cooking his tyres was the reason it was necessary. Had he put it on pole, I don't think anyone would have seen him today.

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:47

Originally posted by GiancarloF1
Raikkonen was again mediocre. Hopefully Massa wins this WDC, he deserves it.

Star of the race: Hamilton :up:

Ferrari has a great car but their drivers suffer too much from inconsistency.

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:47

Originally posted by Cheap Wine Alesi


Kimi got a great start, but he was blocked in by Kovalainen.


which amounts to bad start overall...;)

True, Heikki had the worst acceleration, but he didn't do anything wrong. Those things happen if you start from 4th (to Kimi, that is).

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:47

Another win for the chump in the best car, and could barely beat a mclaren doing it.

#27 DoubleWDC

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:47

Originally posted by GiancarloF1
Raikkonen was again mediocre.


And still he is leading. :cry:

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:48

Hamilton says he went for a three stopped because Bridgestone was afraid that otherwise the tyres would fail !

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:48

OOoooh Felipe actually kept it together, he got some valuable points to other drivers in WDC. :up: It is going to be a long and slow crawl up for him.

Ferrari will be wishing that this is Kimi's last "off" race. ):

The race was boring, so midways I went away for a stroll of about 35 minutes :blush:. Seems I didn't miss much.

Fisichella Posted Image

Do FIA still penalize track invasions, or does the rulebook not apply when Bernard is a shareholder in the track? :down:

#30 pasadena

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:48

Originally posted by DoubleWDC


And still he is leading. :cry:

Yes, the car advantage is big enough.

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:49

Take note that on a poor day, Raikkonen still gets 3rd.

That's the kind of form that you need to be Champion. Hamilton did the same last race.

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:49

Originally posted by HP
The McLaren stratgey made things look better than they were in reality.


How do you work that out? Lewis finished where he fully deserved, whether it was a two stop or a three stop, usually a 3 stop is harder, if he hadn't tyre problems, maybe he could have won, I doubt he could take Massa, he just needs to get the soft tyre situation sorted.

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:49

Originally posted by DoubleWDC


Also if Massa would have put up even little resistance against Hamilton Kimi would have been second. Of course then Massa would have gained only two points from Kimi.


Dunno if Massa is such a shrewd thinker, if so, I couldn't blame him.

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:50

Originally posted by kar
What I want to know is how outstanding Heikki and Massa's qualifying laps were.

McLaren's strategy today was very positive, but the issue with Lewis cooking his tyres was the reason it was necessary. Had he put it on pole, I don't think anyone would have seen him today.


Think your right, Massa won the race in Q3... If Lewis was on pole he'd of won this race...

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:50

Originally posted by GiancarloF1
Raikkonen was again mediocre. Hopefully Massa wins this WDC, he deserves it.

Star of the race: Hamilton :up:

How would you rate Fisis race, clampy.

Kimi confirms he had some car damage.

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:51

Originally posted by AFCA
Hamilton says he went for a three stopped because Bridgestone was afraid that otherwise the tyres would fail !


Is this a Bridgestone problem or McLaren problem, they never had such problems with Michellin tyres.

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:51

Great to see ralph back in F1 - at least according to the Autosport results

10. R.Schumacher Toyota (B) + 1:16.344


:rotfl: :eek:

How come Heidfeld made up such time in the first stops? He jumped a couple of places iirc ...

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:51

Originally posted by Cheap Wine Alesi
How would you rate Fisis race, clampy.

Kimi confirms he had some car damage.

His damage came from being slow in quali.
And Fisi forgetting to brake is just plain silly.

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:52

Originally posted by dawg_7529


brown star of the race.


I think its bye bye from you.

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:52

Originally posted by pasadena
Ferrari has a great car but their drivers suffer too much from inconsistency.


The results say you are wrong. And KR for example has gotten 34 out 40 possible points and you call that inconsistant. :rolleyes:

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:52

Fisichella is an utter disgrace. Caused a very stupid and dangerous accident and wont even admit it was his fault. A pathetic person.

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:52

Lewis was very happy in the press conference...it's nice to see him back on form.

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:52

Originally posted by Anomnader


Is this a Bridgestone problem or McLaren problem, they never had such problems with Michellin tyres.


I think a McLaren problem since other cars doing a two stopped didn't seem to have problems. We might find out more, I just heard him saying it in the press conference...

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:53

Originally posted by Anomnader


Is this a Bridgestone problem or McLaren problem, they never had such problems with Michellin tyres.


Kova didn't seem to have trouble either. I think it's more a Lewis@Turkey problem, it already was last year. At least this time they found the best solution for it.

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:53

Kimi had some damage to his front wing.

Considering that, a good result and a podium.

Monaco should be exciting.

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:53

Originally posted by Anomnader


Is this a Bridgestone problem or McLaren problem, they never had such problems with Michellin tyres.

Hamilton + Istanbul speedway problem it would seem.

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:53

Originally posted by Anomnader


Is this a Bridgestone problem or McLaren problem, they never had such problems with Michellin tyres.


It is a Lewis problem.

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:54

Originally posted by DoubleWDC


The results say you are wrong. And KR for example has gotten 34 out 40 possible points and you call that inconsistant. :rolleyes:

35 out of 50. His Australian performance was horrible in any case.

I call it inconsistent because they had the best car in every race. Today they should have finished 1-2 but didn't, therefore the driving was not up to the car's level.

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:54

Really should have been a Ferrari 1-2, and Hamilton's qualifying in retrospect was especially poor.

I wonder how Monaco will go down, Ferrari actually were stronger in the slower sections of the track here, I wonder how that will translate at Monaco.

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 13:54

Originally posted by Yellowmc
Kimi had some damage to his front wing.


From Kovalainen?