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#1 Nasty McBastard

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 15:17

and we were called upon to vote on f1 racings best 100 drivers of all time.

may i ask how we came to the conclusion that lewis hamilton is the 15th best driver of all time?

at the point of voting hed done 18 gp, won a few, and had a corker of a rookie season. but.... well.... im stunned.

Oh, and as sad and traumatic as it was...putting roger williamson as #99....

its this kind of thing that makes me glad that the FIA doesnt listen to the fans, otherwise wed have some insane shit going on.

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#2 BuzzingHornet

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 15:35

Yup :)

They should not allow current drivers in those polls either... I know some of them are obviously good but you can't measure their unfinished career against the all-time greats. Hamilton might not win a single WDC...

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 15:57

Originally posted by BuzzingHornet
Yup :)

They should not allow current drivers in those polls either... I know some of them are obviously good but you can't measure their unfinished career against the all-time greats. Hamilton might not win a single WDC...


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Posted 11 May 2008 - 16:05

It may be a tad bit high, but I don't see anything wrong with that. Many people had already put Raikkonen on their top list while he was at McLaren and never won any WDCs.

#5 Nasty McBastard

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 16:15

based on his success rate and potential, hamilton MAY end up in the top 5 legitimately. but jesus, hes about on a par with jacques at the same stage in his career. would anyone have jv in in the top 15 of all time? (obviously not, hes #41 in that poll).

this is the 'greatest of all time', and i find it hard to beleive that at the moment, there arent atleast 100 better than lewis.

when things even out over the span of a few seasons id be happy to consider him.

they have both hills ascari and brabham as the 4 guys next in line behind him.

#6 Gary Davies

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 16:21

Sometimes the World Champion is the best driver, sometimes not. There seems to be a broad assumption that winning World Championships provides incontravertable evidence of a driver's ascendency. The only thing absolutely proved by winning a World Championship is that a driver gained the greatest number of points in a year.

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 16:22

Originally posted by Nasty McBastard
and we were called upon to vote on f1 racings best 100 drivers of all time.

may i ask how we came to the conclusion that lewis hamilton is the 15th best driver of all time?

at the point of voting hed done 18 gp, won a few, and had a corker of a rookie season. but.... well.... im stunned.

Oh, and as sad and traumatic as it was...putting roger williamson as #99....

its this kind of thing that makes me glad that the FIA doesnt listen to the fans, otherwise wed have some insane shit going on.


See your mixing up fan and F1 enthusiast, never the twain shall meet. How we qualify enthusiasts is another thing entirely Lewis Hamilton is potentially one of the best 100 of all time, he could also still be one of the greatest flops, I think he will eventually be the former but he and not by his own design has to live up to an incredibly distorted fan view ably helped by the media who indeed rely on these fans for their supper.

#8 Go_Scotty_Go!

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 17:32

Originally posted by Vanwall
Sometimes the World Champion is the best driver, sometimes not. There seems to be a broad assumption that winning World Championships provides incontravertable evidence of a driver's ascendency. The only thing absolutely proved by winning a World Championship is that a driver gained the greatest number of points in a year.


Is that you Juan Montoya? :wave:

#9 BuzzingHornet

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 17:34

Originally posted by Nasty McBastard
based on his success rate and potential, hamilton MAY end up in the top 5 legitimately. but jesus, hes about on a par with jacques at the same stage in his career. would anyone have jv in in the top 15 of all time? (obviously not, hes #41 in that poll).

this is the 'greatest of all time', and i find it hard to beleive that at the moment, there arent atleast 100 better than lewis.

when things even out over the span of a few seasons id be happy to consider him.

they have both hills ascari and brabham as the 4 guys next in line behind him.


Jack Brabham is behind Lewis in the top 100? LOL

#10 Josta

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 17:41

Originally posted by Nasty McBastard
based on his success rate and potential, hamilton MAY end up in the top 5 legitimately. but jesus, hes about on a par with jacques at the same stage in his career. would anyone have jv in in the top 15 of all time? (obviously not, hes #41 in that poll).


No, after 5 races in Jacques second season he had 4 poles and 2 wins.

#11 Rob G

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 19:06

Originally posted by Go_Scotty_Go!
Is that you Juan Montoya? :wave:

He's more likely to be Stirling Moss, but regardless, he's right.

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 19:49

Originally posted by Vanwall
Sometimes the World Champion is the best driver, sometimes not. There seems to be a broad assumption that winning World Championships provides incontravertable evidence of a driver's ascendency. The only thing absolutely proved by winning a World Championship is that a driver gained the greatest number of points in a year.


lol, what utter nonsense. the guy with the most points at the end of the year isnt called the world champion for nothing. He managed to beat everybody else and finished in the highest places overal. End of story. Next thing you know you gonna say martin brundle was a decent driver, wich he wasnt. He was a loser and a crash happy volkswagen salesman.

#13 internetf1

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 19:53

Originally posted by dawg_7529


lol, what utter nonsense. the guy with the most points at the end of the year isnt called the world champion for nothing. He managed to beat everybody else and finished in the highest places overal. End of story. Next thing you know you gonna say martin brundle was a decent driver, wich he wasnt. He was a loser and a crash happy volkswagen salesman.


Did martin brundle steal your girlfriend?

#14 SevenTwoSeven

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 19:56

Originally posted by dawg_7529


volkswagen salesman.


Doesnt quite have the same ring to it as toyota does it?

At least now your getting somthing right in your posts. 'Volkswagen' And thats about it! :clap: :cat:

Your cetainly not happy today thats for sure :stoned:

#15 internetf1

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 19:58

Originally posted by SevenTwoSeven

Your cetainly not happy today thats for sure :stoned:


That's because Kimi got beaten by LH on a 3 stopper.

#16 Josta

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 20:00

Next thing you know you gonna say martin brundle was a decent driver, wich he wasnt



Do you know what driver ran Senna the closest in F3? The Senna/Brundle F3 tussle is legendary. Thereafter it is all about where you end up, and Toleman was better placed to showcase Senna than Tyrell was for Brundle.

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 21:03

Originally posted by internetf1
It may be a tad bit high, but I don't see anything wrong with that. Many people had already put Raikkonen on their top list while he was at McLaren and never won any WDCs.

Yes but Kimi isn't British, so that's OK.

#18 dawg_7529

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 21:11

Originally posted by Buttoneer
Yes but Kimi isn't British, so that's OK.

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#19 undersquare

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 21:24

A lot of people confuse "Great" with "has the quality to become great".

Although if it was a count of BB posts about them, Hammy would be no1 easily, and 14-15 years still to go :eek:

OT: Buttoneer, you were way too subtle :rotfl:

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#20 former champ

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Posted 12 May 2008 - 11:50

Originally posted by Nasty McBastard
based on his success rate and potential, hamilton MAY end up in the top 5 legitimately. but jesus, hes about on a par with jacques at the same stage in his career. would anyone have jv in in the top 15 of all time? (obviously not, hes #41 in that poll).


Fair point but unless anyone can foresee Hamilton 'doing a Jacques' and going off to start a brand new team with hopes and dreams, thus ruining potentially a brilliant F1 career, then I'd say Lewis is a safe bet to become a great driver pretty soon.

That said, there is NO WAY he should be at 15 already. That's absurd.

Oh, Jacques should be higher than 41 also. Unfairly tarnished and not enough remembered of the first half of his F1 career. ;)