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#101 SevenTwoSeven

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Posted 21 May 2008 - 08:07

I was simply atonished at the back page article in the 'monaco' edition of F1 Racing ive just been reading. "The day i met Nigel Mansell by Nelson Piquet". Not once does he mention how Mansell basicaly wiped the floor with him on several occasions in 86 (and 87). But then i guess he wouldnt. Interesting to note he says mansell 'wasnt a bad guy really' He does mention how mansell was always at the back in the F3 days (did mansell do a lot of F3? I got the impression he didnt apart from the unipart thing but need to check), like mansells sons now, but doesnt mention that he didnt win anything at lotus either, like mansell....

Please please please can we have "The day i met Nelson Piquet by Nigel Mansell" oh and "The day i met Frank Dernie by Nigel Mansell" as well.

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#102 Josta

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Posted 21 May 2008 - 08:32

Originally posted by Buttoneer
The strange thing is that two months ago, Max could have successfully litigated against anyone who had the temerity to suggest he was a Nazi-obsessed whore beating tea drinker.

Sorry, that's not to suggest Wli is a pimped-up drug baron, but...


Well maybe when Max wanted his 5 whores and Stepney wanted that white powder, they both gave Willi a call. :)

#103 pottiella

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Posted 21 May 2008 - 22:37

Seeing as though Bradley has a point in saying that only the more negative viewpoints are likely to be voiced, I'll quite happily admit to buying F1 Racing today, and for the first time in AGES (over a year?) I actually thought the issue as a whole was very good.

As I said earlier, I am guilty of standing around flicking through it to get an idea of whether I want to buy it, and more often than not don't. I did nothing different this time, but found it to be a lot more wide ranging and loved the concept of focusing on Monaco when it is rather bold of a monthly magazine to really theme in on one race when about 3 are going to happen by the time the next issue arrives.

The key here is 'theme'...it's not all about the Monaco GP, stats and facts and another huge pointless debate about what happened at McLaren last year in Monaco; but to celebrate every element that contributes to the mistique of the whole event.

Well worth buying if you're losing heart in F1 Racing....

If indeed it does continue to go the way it seems to be, then I'd be happy to buy it on a regular basis. There are still some moronic bits, but I guess they have to keep a wider range of demographic going!;)

#104 bradleyl

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Posted 22 May 2008 - 10:47

Glad to hear it pottiella. There's some good stuff coming up next month too with the redesign - I hope you continue to enjoy it.

re: Seventwoseven's comments, it's typical Piquet eh? Selective memory, strong opinions, slightly outrageous views. Perfect for good copy!

#105 dank

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Posted 22 May 2008 - 10:54

Originally posted by bradleyl
Glad to hear it pottiella. There's some good stuff coming up next month too with the redesign - I hope you continue to enjoy it.

(slightly off topic!)

I know you've mentioned a few times that next month will see a redesign, but out of interest, when is your website going to receive similar treatment? It's fairly redundant wouldn't you agree?

#106 tidytracks

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Posted 22 May 2008 - 11:04

Loved the Nico article and the general design feel to that particular piece.

If that's a sign of things to come, I think the new direction for F1 Racing may be a breath of fresh air for the publication.

#107 bradleyl

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Posted 22 May 2008 - 11:58

We're very limited on what we can do on the web - it's a shop window for current content, and signing up for the Reader Panel really.

The print magazine is the priority for us, naturally.

Glad you liked the Nico stuff tidytracks.

#108 kar

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Posted 22 May 2008 - 12:04

Originally posted by bradleyl
Glad to hear it pottiella. There's some good stuff coming up next month too with the redesign - I hope you continue to enjoy it.

re: Seventwoseven's comments, it's typical Piquet eh? Selective memory, strong opinions, slightly outrageous views. Perfect for good copy!


I picked up the June edition actually, I think the tone is somewhat better actually. Still not convinced of the depth just yet, but things like that take time, I do agree.

The one thing that stood out, and I know it's a little thing but it just stuck out as a leftover from Bishop's assassination of the English language in order to gain impact. It is the way articles are attributed 'words: xx xx, portraits: xx xx'.

It's a little thing, a stylistic thing even. I don't even know if my grievance with it is even that common with others. But that just strikes me when reading articles as a bit try hard. Like it's trying to be 'hip and cool'. I'd much rather see the author of an article given more credit than just 'words'.

The other thing, and this is a bit hypocritical given what I've said about Bishop in the past, is the editorial leader is a bit lightweight. It's a bit toothless actually. I don't want the magazine to go back to being a divisive political lightening rod, but it would be nice if the editorial line could be a bit more active, a bit grittier. Talk about the changes in the magazine and talk about them passionately and strongly.

You've done a far better job rationalising why there's been no real coverage of the Mosley issue, and with depth of feeling and conviction.

That same conviction should come across in the editorial leader too.

Over all, I think what I read this month is better than what I saw last time I picked up the mag.

There's still plenty more to do though before it catches back up to the lead given to Motorsport.

#109 pottiella

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Posted 22 May 2008 - 22:23

Originally posted by kar




You've done a far better job rationalising why there's been no real coverage of the Mosley issue, and with depth of feeling and conviction.

That same conviction should come across in the editorial leader too.


Yeah, Bradley - who cares if you've only been there a few months? ;)

#110 SirSaltire

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 19:42

Sorry for digging up an old thread but I've just had a phone call from F1 Racing offering me the next 3 issues for £1. Against my better judgement I said yes :blush: But on the other hand even if it has not improved, its a good deal for 3 issues!

#111 blackhand2010

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 19:57

This thread reminds me of the exact moment that I decided not to renew my subscription: three different "journalists" (I use the term loosely) using the phrase "Giga Quick" in one issue.
When any journalist has to start using such smarmy and frankly ridiculous terminology to decribe someone as being a fast driver, you know they've been in the job far too long, and were probably crap at it in the first place. What next? Tera quick?
"Giga quick" Christ, that's just bad.

#112 bradleyl

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 20:10

Hopefully, blackhand, you'll see that the theme of the thread is about change. Please pick up a copy next week, and tell us what you think.

#113 SirSaltire

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 20:15

Originally posted by bradleyl
Hopefully, blackhand, you'll see that the theme of the thread is about change. Please pick up a copy next week, and tell us what you think.

Sounds like a fair deal to me. I don't suppose I will get my 'three for £1' copies starting next week but I might just buy one off the shelf and post some honest thoughts :)

#114 Risil

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 20:22

Originally posted by blackhand2010
What next? Tera quick?


Just wait until they start referring to Ron Dennis's skills of femtomanagement.;)

#115 SirSaltire

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 20:37

Originally posted by Risil


Just wait until they start referring to Ron Dennis's skills of femtomanagement.;)

:rotfl: Try saying that with a drink in you!

#116 Josta

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 21:32

Personally, I find the telegraph's coverage the worst. Regarding the penalty that Lewis has, they had this to say :-

"The punishment means that Hamilton will start the next race in Magny-Cours in 10th place on the grid regardless of how he performs in qualifying - a significant penalty in his chase for the world title."

Obviously, this is bullshit. Lewis can't start from 10th on the grid since the best position would be 11th, (if he qualified on pole), and his position entirely depends on how he performs in quali, just 10 places lower than where he qualifies.

Why do these papers employ people who have not the first ****ing clue about the sport they are commenting on???? I left a message correcting it several hours ago. The message wasn't published and the article wasn't changed. British papers don't give a **** about anything that doesn't involve a small round ball and thick as shit players.

http://www.telegraph...9/smfron109.xml

#117 SirSaltire

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 22:12

Originally posted by Josta
Personally, I find the telegraph's coverage the worst. Regarding the penalty that Lewis has, they had this to say :-

"The punishment means that Hamilton will start the next race in Magny-Cours in 10th place on the grid regardless of how he performs in qualifying - a significant penalty in his chase for the world title."

Obviously, this is bullshit. Lewis can't start from 10th on the grid since the best position would be 11th, (if he qualified on pole), and his position entirely depends on how he performs in quali, just 10 places lower than where he qualifies.

Why do these papers employ people who have not the first ****ing clue about the sport they are commenting on???? I left a message correcting it several hours ago. The message wasn't published and the article wasn't changed. British papers don't give a **** about anything that doesn't involve a small round ball and thick as shit players.

http://www.telegraph...9/smfron109.xml

You are one angry man :mad: I get your point but swearing about it gets you nowhere.

#118 Josta

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 22:27

Originally posted by SirSaltire
You are one angry man :mad: I get your point but swearing about it gets you nowhere.


**** off.
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#119 Racer Joe

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Posted 12 June 2008 - 03:19

Originally posted by Motormedia
Going back to Windsor. I have no doubt he is an intelligent man who has given a great deal of thought on how the styles of different drivers vary. But why invent the wheel again? Isn't there a nomenclature for this already? We have the traction circle which is a great pedagogic tool which would be excellent to describe the differences between the drivers.

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To be fair to Windsor, he did earlier on in F1 Racing (probably close to 10 years ago now) made repeated references to the traction circle and used it as an explanatory tool. I am actually surprised he hadn't carried on using it is still largely relevant to what he was trying to say. Though I get the feeling he wants to go beyond it - which is a credible ambition I suppose. I am not sure if the traction circle would necessarily capture everything he wants to say about driving styles.

Overall I think he has gone too far off the beaten track. There is just no way someone can come in cold-turkey, read any of his latest writings on driving styles and fully understand what he is trying to say without having read similar articles from him previously to build up that understanding of his descriptions. I understand, by and large anyway, what he tries to say because I have read all of his articles in F1 Racing from day one.

"The day i met Nigel Mansell by Nelson Piquet" was just an absolute riot. :up:

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#120 dank

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Posted 12 June 2008 - 07:21

Originally posted by SirSaltire
Sorry for digging up an old thread but I've just had a phone call from F1 Racing offering me the next 3 issues for £1. Against my better judgement I said yes :blush: But on the other hand even if it has not improved, its a good deal for 3 issues!


How come you got this offer then? Did you recently suspend your subscription to it?

#121 D.M.N.

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Posted 12 June 2008 - 11:28

I suspended mine a few years ago, the price was starting to rocket, without any extra content inside. Mind you, I still have every issue from about October 1999 to 2004/05 time.

The price back in 1999 was about £2.50, I think. What is it now?

#122 dank

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Posted 12 June 2008 - 11:29

£4.20 per issue.

I have a promotional code if anyone wants 3 issues for a £1?

#123 SirSaltire

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Posted 12 June 2008 - 14:33

Originally posted by dank


How come you got this offer then? Did you recently suspend your subscription to it?

Not recently. About 1 1/2 years ago.

#124 SirSaltire

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Posted 12 June 2008 - 14:35

Originally posted by Josta


**** off.
:)

No wonder your message wasn't published. :lol:

#125 dank

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Posted 12 June 2008 - 17:21

Just noticed an one page advert in Autosport this week for the 'new look' F1 Racing.

'My life is very strange... LEWIS HAMILTON. Confessions of a British sporting hero.'

(can't wait...)

Interestingly, looks like Murray Walker has signed on to write a monthly column in the mag.

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Posted 13 June 2008 - 08:12

:drunk:
i get f1racing for free as a photo contributor, and i must admit that i am not reading many of the stories -
presently 'spankgate' is still evolving to an uncertain direction and undergoes imho too many changes, recent news and full info can be found at different well-known websites.
besides that, a friend & lawyer who writes for autosport will soon supply more brainfood for the folks - who want to know more about the probably most interesting FIA case this year - here on autosport.com.
and at least the mag shows most the best pictures :cool: I like F1 racing for this :up:

#127 bradleyl

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Posted 13 June 2008 - 08:17

Hi Boris, I think it's fair to say the magazine isn't being written for people inside the paddock - so maybe it's normal that the articles don't grab you in the same way. But thanks for contributing to the discussion, and I'll pass on the good comments about the photo selections :)

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Posted 13 June 2008 - 08:33

wheeew - bradley, you are quicker than alonso :stoned:
sorry i would never say the text is worse than the pictures, and of course the mag is made for the people outside the paddock.
i always find many interesting facts in there and it is as to most of you 'moderrn' recipients just a visual and informal topping on the cake which we have already eaten up by seeing the race on tv, visiting specialised websites etc until the next race starts... as someone mentioned, it is also a bit like a different reality!?
historical and technical stuff i would leave to MotorSport (have the same opinion about them like about F1R), and i would even >pay:p

#129 Maldwyn

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Posted 14 June 2008 - 10:16

The 'new look' July issue has just arrived through my letter box. From the quick look I've had so far I must say I'm impressed. The style is more...not quite sure what the right word is...substantial perhaps. The 'old' F1R appeared a bit lightweight whereas this has a more serious look about it. There's a wide range of features which will take a while to read through, and it is good to see Murray again! I particularly liked page 41 :)

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Posted 14 June 2008 - 10:17

Originally posted by Maldwyn
The 'new look' July issue has just arrived through my letter box. From the quick look I've had so far I must say I'm impressed. The style is more...not quite sure what the right word is...substantial perhaps. The 'old' F1R appeared a bit lightweight whereas this has a more serious look about it. There's a wide range of features which will take a while to read through, and it is good to see Murray again! I particularly liked page 41 :)


That's good news. The systematic way Bishop lobotomised that magazine in his final couple years was a big reason I stopped buying it.

Might have to have a look at the newsagent this afternoon.

#131 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 14 June 2008 - 10:19

I'm going to have to look at it a few more times before I figure out what I like and don't like about the artistic side of it, everything is slightly different so I'm actually missing where a few things are.


The articles seem sameish (but it is just one issue), except the interview with Hamilton by the new editor which was just...I dunno. I hope it was aimed at new fans because the impression from the questions is he doesn't know of a pre-Hamilton F1.

#132 kar

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Posted 14 June 2008 - 10:39

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
I'm going to have to look at it a few more times before I figure out what I like and don't like about the artistic side of it, everything is slightly different so I'm actually missing where a few things are.


The articles seem sameish (but it is just one issue), except the interview with Hamilton by the new editor which was just...I dunno. I hope it was aimed at new fans because the impression from the questions is he doesn't know of a pre-Hamilton F1.


Maybe the newsagent is a bit too far away then :down: :(

#133 F1Annie

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Posted 14 June 2008 - 10:53

I never buy any newspapers or magazines now, motor sport or otherwise.

I read the internet & sometimes read bits courtesy of WH Smith & put the pennies I save into my Grand Prix Travel money box.

#134 bradleyl

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Posted 14 June 2008 - 10:56

I disagree with your comment re: the Hamilton interview Ross, but certainly the style of the articles is similar - they have been evolving ever since the April issue, and are now at a point I think we're happy with - but not in a complacent way. It's quite a different style to the previous regime, which seemed to divide opinion quite a lot.

Nice to hear some positive feedback; kar, do make the trip to the newsagent and see what you think.

#135 Imperial

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Posted 14 June 2008 - 11:04

My copy literally just landed on my doormat today.

Ah the joys of being a subscriber, you get to walk past the latest issue of a magazine in several newspaper shops (yesterday) whilst waiting at least an extra day for your postal copy to turn up....

I will post again when I've had a chance to have a good and fair look at it.


Additional info having now had a good and fair look at it: Bradley, if I may address you direct. I'm extremely pleased with the new magazine. This month's new edition is excellent.

The new look? Hmm...doesn't really mean anything to me to be honest. There's not exactly that much you can do anyway in terms layout in a magazine. The first quarter of the magazine is somewhat tidier however, that's a good thing.

But the thing that has struck me the most is how utterly pointless the new look is. Take that as a compliment however, for the following reason: The content of this month's magazine is simply so utterly amazing! The last few years of decline (in quality at least. I can't speak for circulation figures) haven't and won't be arrested simply by changing the look of the magazine a little bit, it'll be done by quality content month after month. I hope that is proven to be the case because the new edition is simply the best edition of F1 Racing I have laid eyes on in years. Seriously. As a reader/subscriber since the first issue (and never having missed an issue, yet) I really say thanks for this month returning the quality to how it used to be.

The mag isn't getting entirely off the hook however. I ain't gonna kiss ass that much!

My one and only gripe over the current issue is....the Ferrari cockpit feature. Christ! Yet more photos of F1 steering wheels and even explanations of what some of the buttons do. Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!! It was only 2 editions ago (IIRC) that you had a two page spread on what the buttons on an f1 steering wheel do!!! I know that steering wheel's aren't the entire point of that article, but to have to read about buttons on a steering wheel yet again is beyond belief. I'm sure that now takes F1 Racing to about 689 articles on steering wheels.

That's the only minor point though, so a definite 95 out of 100.

Keep up the good work, I hope every issue from now has as much quality content as this months.

Aaah....not an article about rally cars on ice or football teams to be found anywhere :clap:

#136 LostProphet

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Posted 14 June 2008 - 21:26

Originally posted by Maldwyn
The 'new look' July issue has just arrived through my letter box. From the quick look I've had so far I must say I'm impressed. The style is more...not quite sure what the right word is...substantial perhaps. The 'old' F1R appeared a bit lightweight whereas this has a more serious look about it. There's a wide range of features which will take a while to read through, and it is good to see Murray again! I particularly liked page 41 :)


Just what I thought.
The new design is a breath of fresh air, and from what I've read so far, it's more more "F1 in depth" than the last couple of issues.

#137 SirSaltire

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Posted 15 June 2008 - 14:20

My lovely wife bought me the new copy of F1 Racing (even though it will probably be posted to me as the first of 3 for £1!).
I have to say I am impressed. Not so much with the much heralded 'new look', but with the content. The interviews (in particular the Mark Webber one), were much better written with some interesting insights. There are always questions that you wished had been asked but, on the whole, very good.
My only fear is that they won't be able to keep the standard up as time goes on, but I am willing to give the mag another chance and I won't hesitate to revive this very thread if I think it starts to go downhill again! :p

#138 dank

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Posted 15 June 2008 - 19:16

The only thing that irked me in the new issue was the Hamilton interview. I didn't learn a single thing about Lewis that I hadn't known before. The poor bloke must have been asked the same variety of questions about how he manages to handle the pressures of his fame, how his life has changed... about a million times!

#139 Beedeeai

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Posted 15 June 2008 - 20:08

Not sure I'm overly keen on the chunky letter fonts that are used for the 'Pitpass' section headlines though - looks pretty lads' mag/tabloid-esque.

But that's a small point so overall :up:

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#140 Wilko

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Posted 15 June 2008 - 21:37

OK, I had stopped wasting my money on the mag about 6-8 months ago but am willing to have another look so when I head into the docs this morning I will stop by the newsagents and see if they have it and give it another go.

#141 SirSaltire

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Posted 15 June 2008 - 22:05

Originally posted by Wilko
OK, I had stopped wasting my money on the mag about 6-8 months ago but am willing to have another look so when I head into the docs this morning I will stop by the newsagents and see if they have it and give it another go.

Ok Wilko I think bradleyl owes us some commision on that sale! :D

#142 wrighty

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Posted 15 June 2008 - 22:27

Originally posted by Beedeeai
Not sure I'm overly keen on the chunky letter fonts that are used for the 'Pitpass' section headlines though - looks pretty lads' mag/tabloid-esque.

But that's a small point so overall :up:


with respect, i tend to agree with you, i've been a long-time subbie and it's all starting to look a little 'Auto Express' to me, i was disappointed but i'll not kill the sub just yet, god knows if the tenner makes the difference as to when i run out of money in the next two months, i'm budgeting better than normal ;)



but.....

why does every picture in the magazine (aside of the excellent pics before pitpass) have to have a pithy/semi-witty comment? it gets wearing in the end, and it feels more 'lads mag' than the fonts to me :down: . I'm sure even the 'casual' (non-subscriber) readers would prefer to be not be taken to be that shallow? it's not like we're looking at tits, it's an F1 magazine, it's a serious sport, take the images seriously please, and we will too ;)


:wave:

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Posted 15 June 2008 - 22:42

it's all starting to look a little 'Auto Express' to me


THAT's what it looks like. Was straining my brain to remember where I'd seen the look before.

Good point about the picture comments ut I guess/hope that it's just a teething matter. The new editor and his team hasn't been in place for that long yet so there's time to scrub it up even better than it is. And, cmpared to the previous look I think it's on the right track. :up:

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Posted 16 June 2008 - 18:26

Originally posted by wrighty


with respect, i tend to agree with you, i've been a long-time subbie and it's all starting to look a little 'Auto Express' to me, i was disappointed but i'll not kill the sub just yet, god knows if the tenner makes the difference as to when i run out of money in the next two months, i'm budgeting better than normal ;)



but.....

why does every picture in the magazine (aside of the excellent pics before pitpass) have to have a pithy/semi-witty comment? it gets wearing in the end, and it feels more 'lads mag' than the fonts to me :down: . I'm sure even the 'casual' (non-subscriber) readers would prefer to be not be taken to be that shallow? it's not like we're looking at tits, it's an F1 magazine, it's a serious sport, take the images seriously please, and we will too ;)


:wave:


The only thing that irked me was the "100% REAL PICTURES!!" on the main spread of Kubica driving along public roads.
Maybe that kind of thing works in OK! and Heat magazine where the readers can't quite believe that Vapid Celebrity #45679 has had her boobs enlarged yet again and are just SO shocked that they think the pictures might be only 75% real but I can't really say I have that problem with an F1 mag. Nor do I expect F1 Racing to fabricate images for a story, so there's just no need.

#145 bradleyl

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Posted 16 June 2008 - 20:56

LostProphet, if that was all that irked, I think we can safely proclaim ourselves delighted! Thank you to everybody for the feedback, both positive and negative are valuable, and very much welcomed.

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Posted 16 June 2008 - 23:10

F1R is a great magazine, but some of the picture captions are terrible they are just not funny, infact some of the attempts at humour in the magazine in general are very bad indeed. :p

#147 bradleyl

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 06:55

Glad you think it's a great magazine, July Plot. In terms of the captions/humour, it's certainly different to before - but overall, we're a group of people enjoying our jobs, and enjoying our sport. Hopefully, it reflects that as much as any attempt to be clever. But it's definitely a different style to what was done previously in the magazine.

#148 potmotr

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 11:05

My latest F1 Racing arrived last night and I have to say I'm impressed with the changes.
The magazine looks sharper, and dare I say it, cooler than before. Good to see it is now being put together by a team with a sense of humour. I thought an editor with no recent car racing experience may have seen the mag dumbed down but I quite liked what I read last night.

#149 bradleyl

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 14:11

Thanks potmotr, equally glad you like it. Hans, our new editor, hasn't dumbed it down at all - there's no reason to think he would. We're just trying to make the best, most appealing magazine possible... and it's a process that started this month, and will continue to develop and evolve. But it's encouraging you guys all think this is going in the right direction.

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 14:13

bradleyl, just one question...who is it that thinks the McLaren M26 is one of the best looking F1 cars ever??