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#351 Jimages

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 17:27

Originally posted by rce
in the case of Kimi a wee bit of boredom/annoyance at the thought of another interview.


Indeed, some of this antics during interviews are quite legendary. Not the "mumble mumble" stuff obviously, but when he deliberately makes things difficult.

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#352 KLN

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 01:53

Originally posted by Rubens Hakkamacher
I don't suppose there's a way of contracting a company to print the magazine in the states (to an equal standard) and distribute it faster/cheaper?


yes, but just hope that you don't get the thin version. here in australia we get our own edition, and i swear that every month it gets thinner and thinner. compared to the uk version it's like a leaflet. there are still plenty of advertisments in it mind you, we just don't get the full uk edition.
i'd drop my subscription and just use the web except my partner likes to read it.

#353 Rubens Hakkamacher

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 07:05

Originally posted by bradleyl
I'm sure, though, that the way we do it is the most cost-efficient for the sales volume we shift in the States. But as I say, I'll try and find more info.


I'd think you'd easily be able to find a printer able to do it.

#354 bradleyl

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 07:26

It's worth understanding, Rubens, that decisions of that kind have absolutely nothing to do with the editorial staff. But I'll try and find out how it's done and why.

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 07:56

Originally posted by KLN
compared to the uk version it's like a leaflet.


You should see the German language version then... :) I think my travel documentation had more pages :)

#356 bradleyl

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 10:18

As I'm sure you understand, our foreign editions are published under licence - so the decision as to how long the magazine is, which other mag it's bound in to (in the German case) etc... is up to the local publishers. It makes sense that it's harder to establish the brand, in mature markets such as Germany where they already have very authoritative F1 titles (such as AMS).

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Posted 27 February 2009 - 19:32

March issue popped through my door this morning. Read about a third of it already and again, it's looking like a very good issue! It feels very 'weighty' compared to recent months - the Lewis Hamilton poster/wall chart is great for darts practice as well ;)

#358 rce

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Posted 27 February 2009 - 19:35

A "Lewis Hamilton poster/wall chart" - gee how Tiger Beat of them.

#359 bradleyl

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Posted 27 February 2009 - 22:00

Come on rce, I can see you sharpening your pencils now for the wallchart ;)

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#360 Jimages

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Posted 27 February 2009 - 22:18

I'd admit that I bought last weeks copy of Autosport.... though that was mainly because it was so heavily featured on Williams :p

#361 bradleyl

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Posted 27 February 2009 - 22:21

Hopefully you'll enjoy the interview with Sir Frank in this month's F1 Racing then...

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Posted 27 February 2009 - 22:33

Originally posted by rce
A "Lewis Hamilton poster/wall chart" - gee how Tiger Beat of them.

To be fair, I remember posters of Kenny Acheson and Marc Surer in magazines in the past...

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Posted 28 February 2009 - 00:34

Today I've cancelled my F1 Racing subscription, which I've had since 1996.

No disrespect at all intended to Bradley and the rest of the team at the magazine. They're making changes they believe in, and I totally respect that.

It is just heading in a direction I am no longer interested in, and I've grown bored of the content.

It pains me to say, but I miss Matt Bishop's edge, personality and opinions.

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Posted 28 February 2009 - 09:53

Sad to hear it potmotr, but if that's what you're looking for, then you won't find it in the same form in the magazine. Sure, we've got Peter Windsor, Alan Henry and in this issue, opinions and views from ten former world champions. But the mag has changed from the template you mention, I'm just sorry to hear you haven't enjoyed the new direction. Suffice to say, you're in a minority, but hopefully you'll be back at some point in the future. All best wishes.

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Posted 16 April 2009 - 14:39

I bought the recent edition (I buy something usually when I think I'm going to have to spend more than 20minutes at the newsagent reading) and have to say, for the most part, I rather enjoyed it.

I think the other thread about the Kimi/Massa interview sums up some of the problems, but generally I found the issue to be a good, solid read. Slowly, the balance between hardcore f1 fan/nuts reader is getting better.

Bradley, how many articles did you write this issue, seems like you wrote half the magazine. My hobby horse didn't seem to write anything other than the editors note.

I think it works good that way... :-)

#366 prty

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Posted 16 April 2009 - 14:58

Originally posted by bradleyl
Sure, we've got Peter Windsor


I'm not sure that's a relief :)

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Posted 16 April 2009 - 16:07

Not an observation of the magazine, but an advert for one of the travel companies jumped out at me this month, listing a tour to this year's Japanese GP at Fuji.

I hope they haven't booked the hotel rooms...

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 00:13

I think it's great that bradleyl has been talking and debating with us on this thread on the content of F1 Racing. It's much appreciated, and I wish to add my take.

I received the latest edition of F1 Racing by mail earlier in the week, and I have to say it's great! I'm still reading it, haven't finished all the articles yet (which is a good sign, meaning high value).

People have earlier in the thread expressed a feeling of discontent with the mag's content the past year, and considered quit reading it. I agree with them about the deteriorating content the past years, although it never came a far as quit reading F1 Racing for me (mainly because a 1-year subscrition to it has been a standard christmas present from my mother since the late 90s ;)).

I enjoyed many pieces of the April edition and it marked a clear upward trend in content quality and value, such as the interviews with Kimi & Massa, but this latest one is an even greater step forward in quality, and with much content that interest me.

I very much enjoyed the piece by Ann Bradshaw, giving a new perspective on the events around Senna's death. I've read much about that weekend, but this was from another angle, and I found it very enlighting how it was perceived by her as press officer.

The interview with Brawn, Button and Rubens was great as well. This is the kind of articles I like to read; it's current-F1 related, and explore the whys, whats and hows behind. Fascinating insight into the Brawn team from its conception until now.

The FIA court of appeal piece was great too. It gave an insight into how that F1 business can work off track. The pictures were good, loved the panorama view on p.70-71, and now I know were Tozzi were sitting when he called Brawn a person of "supreme arrogance"!! I would've loved the article to be even more extensive on the atmosphere and talks between the players, as it gives you a view that you won't find in the news.

I liked the Pitwall, Hesketh, and Movable front wings articles as well. I still haven't read the one on Gascoyne, but I'm looking forward to it.

I have a question about the article by Alan Henry on Ron Dennis. I got the feeling I had already read it, but in a more extensive form. There was much I knew I had read before, such as Dennis yelling at him at Suzuka 1999. Was this a reprinted version of an older piece, or am I confusing things? Anybody else knows about this?

Most likely a lot too much to ask for, but for the next issue I'd just love to see an investigative deep digging article on the status within Ferrari, what's the atmosphere like, why the many cock-ups, is it back to spaghetti racing?, as Lauda put it. I'd love a deep one on FOTA vs FIA, Max as well!

Edited by brunopascal, 11 May 2009 - 00:15.


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Posted 11 May 2009 - 07:24

Thanks for the comments bruno. Glad you liked the mag.

Alan's piece wasn't in any way a reprint, no. But I suppose that, when you commission somebody to write a considered retrospective piece, it's likely they will draw on the major anecdotes of their relationship; the Suzuka thing would appear to be one of those. But it certainly gives the necessary insight into Ron's personality.

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 07:29

Sounds like a good edition then actually - will take a look this evening at the station.

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 10:00

I bought the April edition too and I have to say that I am impressed as well. The articles and their content seem much more considered than previous 'revamped' editions. Certainly interesting enough for me to buy it for the first time since Monaco last year.

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 10:00

Picked up a copy at Gatwick this morning.

Afraid to say the first thing that leapt off the pages was the (not small) error in the budget capping story on page 048.

Suggests Jordan finished 6th in 1991 when, of course, they finished a fine fifth.

Mistake compounded on the next page where we see a photo of the Jordan 191 with: JORDAN: 1991: 6th PLACE.

At risk of sounding uptight and stuffy, that kind of fact checking and detail really matters to me when buying a specialist title.

HOWEVER... two pictures of Andrea de Cesaris (page 21, Tyrrell 020B; page 51 in the 191) was heartening.

I also liked the top ten, the Q&A mit Rosberg, and the Brundle piece.

I also thought letting Ann Bradshaw have her own voice in the Imola 94 piece made for an excellent read.

Really enjoyed the Gascoigne yarn, and the studio photography with the rottweilers was excellent, difficult to see who was more scared, Mike of the mutts!

I think in the six months since I stopped seriously reading F1 Racing the new team has found its feet more.

It seems less dumbed down than I initially felt when Matt Bishop left for his wildly successful(!) appointment as McLaren's PR manager...

Hans the editor still doesn't write or interview in a style which works for me, but the rest of the writers were good this month.

Edited by potmotr, 15 May 2009 - 10:04.


#373 bradleyl

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 10:11

You're absolutely right potmotr, I could kick myself for the mistake. You're right, too, to insist on the accuracy thing; it's simply a blunder on my part that we didn't then pick up. In fact, the comparison with fifth would have been even better - Toyota finished fifth in 2008, spending even bigger sums of money. But mistakes like that shouldn't happen, all we can do is hold our hands up.

Glad you enjoyed the rest of it, though.



Picked up a copy at Gatwick this morning.

Afraid to say the first thing that leapt off the pages was the (not small) error in the budget capping story on page 048.

Suggests Jordan finished 6th in 1991 when, of course, they finished a fine fifth.

Mistake compounded on the next page where we see a photo of the Jordan 191 with: JORDAN: 1991: 6th PLACE.

At risk of sounding uptight and stuffy, that kind of fact checking and detail really matters to me when buying a specialist title.

HOWEVER... two pictures of Andrea de Cesaris (page 21, Tyrrell 020B; page 51 in the 191) was heartening.

I also liked the top ten, the Q&A mit Rosberg, and the Brundle piece.

I also thought letting Ann Bradshaw have her own voice in the Imola 94 piece made for an excellent read.

Really enjoyed the Gascoigne yarn, and the studio photography with the rottweilers was excellent, difficult to see who was more scared, Mike of the mutts!

I think in the six months since I stopped seriously reading F1 Racing the new team has found its feet more.

It seems less dumbed down than I initially felt when Matt Bishop left for his wildly successful(!) appointment as McLaren's PR manager...

Hans the editor still doesn't write or interview in a style which works for me, but the rest of the writers were good this month.



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Posted 15 May 2009 - 10:17

You're absolutely right potmotr, I could kick myself for the mistake. You're right, too, to insist on the accuracy thing; it's simply a blunder on my part that we didn't then pick up. In fact, the comparison with fifth would have been even better - Toyota finished fifth in 2008, spending even bigger sums of money. But mistakes like that shouldn't happen, all we can do is hold our hands up.

Glad you enjoyed the rest of it, though.


And thank you for taking the time to reply. :up:

Is great you have the courtesy to talk directly with the readership.

(None of the criticism is personally directed toward you or your team by the way)

By the way, would love to read your thoughts on the Ed Gorman's calls for Lewis Hamilton to have a fulltime press advisor with Fleet Street experience to better manange the media storm he seems to constantly find himself in.

As a man with experience of both sides of the fence I reckon you'd have good insight.

Cheers.

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 10:25

To show Bradley that it pays off to have this dialogue with his readers I will buy the magazine at the first opportunity I have. I actually used to translate, and also wrote some of my own articles, for the Swedish edition of F1 Racing a few years ago. I must admit that I got a bit over fed at that time and I haven't read the magazine since it went out of business here in Sweden. I'm looking forward to reading it again.

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 10:52

Hi Bradley

I've been a subscriber for many years. It seems as good now as it's always been!

One thing I noticed the other day was that the race stats are now missing. In the race reports there used to be fastest/slowest through speed trap, longest/shortest pitstop etc.

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 11:21

I reckon F1 racing is a lot better than it was, and more of the features are interesting. I would prefer more technical features, especially ones that would take the reader through bread and butter engineering to help understand the sport, but I do understand that the magazine is for a mass market pretty much. Although I do think that the target market of the magazine is a little confused sometimes, especially with the redesign - now it's flashier, more youthful and more personal features, yet the prize for the star letter is really really odd and out of place. I'd have some F1 model or a driver experience or something more.... exciting. Plus, the adverts are still a bit inflight-magazine-ish.

When I say technical features, I don't mean ones that say "to improve grip, you need more downforce" I mean ones that start from the beginning, with basic concepts like friction, basic aerodynamic forces, then go more in-depth and explain how braking and turning means you compromise on both braking and turning performance. Don't do what tabloids do and say "those crazy boffins have been at work in the windtunnel", use the magazine to get people interested in engineering.

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 12:10

use the magazine to get people interested in engineering.

Oh definitely yes yes yes.

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 12:35

I reckon F1 racing is a lot better than it was, and more of the features are interesting. I would prefer more technical features, especially ones that would take the reader through bread and butter engineering to help understand the sport, but I do understand that the magazine is for a mass market pretty much. Although I do think that the target market of the magazine is a little confused sometimes, especially with the redesign - now it's flashier, more youthful and more personal features, yet the prize for the star letter is really really odd and out of place. I'd have some F1 model or a driver experience or something more.... exciting. Plus, the adverts are still a bit inflight-magazine-ish.

When I say technical features, I don't mean ones that say "to improve grip, you need more downforce" I mean ones that start from the beginning, with basic concepts like friction, basic aerodynamic forces, then go more in-depth and explain how braking and turning means you compromise on both braking and turning performance. Don't do what tabloids do and say "those crazy boffins have been at work in the windtunnel", use the magazine to get people interested in engineering.


:up: :up:

I would love that. I learned so goddamn much playing RFactor about basic things like car-setup. Like what the difference between a bump and rebound damper was and how that affected laptime. Things like toe versus camber. Why making a car stiffer is a good thing. Basic setup things that truly do help get a better picture of what's happening on race weekends.

While such topics are by necessity, sometimes complex, I would love a kind of 'technical insight' section in the magazine that could present these concepts in a way, and to a level that the ITV segments used to.

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 12:54

:up: :up:

I would love that. I learned so goddamn much playing RFactor about basic things like car-setup. Like what the difference between a bump and rebound damper was and how that affected laptime. Things like toe versus camber. Why making a car stiffer is a good thing. Basic setup things that truly do help get a better picture of what's happening on race weekends.

While such topics are by necessity, sometimes complex, I would love a kind of 'technical insight' section in the magazine that could present these concepts in a way, and to a level that the ITV segments used to.


I agree.

I think a lot of the tech insights I have learned have been from scarbs and andy on this BB!!!

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 12:58

I'm just excited that I now know what a diffuser is :blush: :D

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 13:05

I'm just excited that I now know what a diffuser is :blush: :D


Aye, but I bet nobody knows how it works and why the DD one is better.

(By nobody, I mean the vast majority of people who've been bombarded with the term diffuser and have just been told "It increases downforce")

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 13:08

Well, it's obvious that a double diffuser is going to be twice as good, duh! ;)

#384 Ivan

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 13:10

When F1 Racing first came out I got my subscription right away. For the first year the mag was great. In the middle of the 2nd year I noticed what I call the start of Fluffication. I stayed on for the third year but knew I was letting the mag go because it started to take me (and all of it's paying customers) for granted. With BS articles that meant nothing to me and had nothing to do with F1. Today I still have a hard time with it. BUT, I do see great improvement that it has made. Blythy I disagree with you about "the magazine is for a mass market pretty much". Ummm No it isn't! It's aimed right at the F1 fan base and no one else! It's not supposed to be a clothing, cologne mag. That is what GQ is for.

Good on you for the improvements!!

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 15:35

When F1 Racing first came out I got my subscription right away. For the first year the mag was great. In the middle of the 2nd year I noticed what I call the start of Fluffication.

Just because you don't want to know what colour underpants Heikki wears doesn't mean none of do :lol:

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Posted 16 May 2009 - 08:15

I stopped buying F1 Racing a couple of years ago. Two main reasons:

1) I got sick of Matt Bishop's overt self importance. He'd interview someone and spend half the interview interspersing his personal opinions into the article. Not only was that extremely indulgent of him to assume we cared what he thought, but his blatant pro McLaren and Hamilton slant seemed like one long job application.... and surprise surprise it was. In my eyes, his later position in PR at McLaren makes me question the magazine's editorial integrity for about 6 months prior to his resignation.

2) Living in Australia, we got an edition *supposedly* tailored for Australia.

The local tailoring essentially involved a local sub-editor taking responsibility for the editorial comment in the front of the magazine, and a local 'non-F1' journo doing an opinion piece and pretending to know the in's and out's of F1. From memory, the local opinion writer was Peter McKay, who's a fine local journo if you're looking for a review of a new road car, but his F1 knowledge appeared slim. The sub-editor apparently got to change the front cover and move the headlines around .... occasionally. For example, if there was something on Mark Webber - no matter how small - it was suddenly the biggest headline on the front cover even if there was actually only 2 pages inside.

It seemed a complete misrepresentation that pissed me off more than once, and the whole edition also reeked of pandering when I thought about it.



I get all my info off Autosport and the web these days. Like video stores, print is dying.

Edited by Turbo4, 16 May 2009 - 08:33.


#387 potmotr

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Posted 16 May 2009 - 09:45

print is dying.


I don't think that's the case.

There's always something special about a well-constructed magazine, and they're also the ultimate in portable entertainment.

It was interesting to read a piece by the deputy editor of the Economist in the London Evening Standard the other day.

She argued that big news websites will, within the next 18 months, start charging for content again.

She argues that this will be led by the Murdoch titles, which is most of the planet.




#388 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 16 May 2009 - 09:55

The fly in that ointment is the free news aggregators. That's where the battle will be.

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Posted 16 May 2009 - 10:00

She argued that big news websites will, within the next 18 months, start charging for content again.
She argues that this will be led by the Murdoch titles, which is most of the planet.


Considering their main objective is to sell audience for advertising it doesn't make a lot of sense. The quality of the information is just the minimum required to keep people seeing or reading the ads...they can charge whatever they want, I'm not buying BS. As for F1 magazine, I only read a few issues a couple of years ago and it was so bad I could cry.

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Posted 16 May 2009 - 10:04

Considering their main objective is to sell audience for advertising it doesn't make a lot of sense. The quality of the information is just the minimum required to keep people seeing or reading the ads...they can charge whatever they want, I'm not buying BS. As for F1 magazine, I only read a few issues a couple of years ago and it was so bad I could cry.


It's much better now bishop has gone.

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Posted 16 May 2009 - 12:46

As I'm sure you understand, our foreign editions are published under licence - so the decision as to how long the magazine is, which other mag it's bound in to (in the German case) etc... is up to the local publishers. It makes sense that it's harder to establish the brand, in mature markets such as Germany where they already have very authoritative F1 titles (such as AMS).


Explain the Australian edition please. Is it the sub-editor's decision as to what content gets cut locally?

Given it's pretty much the only F1 specific publication out here, your statement re the German situation doesn't really apply Down Under.

What's the current Australian circulation out of interest? How does it compare to say... 5 years ago? 10 years ago?

Edited by Turbo4, 16 May 2009 - 12:48.


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Posted 16 May 2009 - 13:41

Sad to hear it potmotr, but if that's what you're looking for, then you won't find it in the same form in the magazine. Sure, we've got Peter Windsor, Alan Henry and in this issue, opinions and views from ten former world champions. But the mag has changed from the template you mention, I'm just sorry to hear you haven't enjoyed the new direction. Suffice to say, you're in a minority, but hopefully you'll be back at some point in the future. All best wishes.



Are you taking about the same Alan Henry that wrote this during the pre-season?

So McLaren is using special paint to see how the airflow licks the super-sleek bodywork of their new MP4-24s.

Actually, let me correct that. Other people are sniggering about stories in the motorsport press that suggest that McLaren is struggling in pre-season testing and may have produced a dud for 2009.

In your dreams, guys! This all reminds me of 1988, when McLaren told everybody it was going to repaint its cars' bodywork between races. We all thought that was a bit cissy and wondered why they didn’t just get on and worry about some important things. But then McLaren went on to win 15 of the season's 16 races. Think how many the team might have won had it been serious.

Writing off McLaren is one of those fruitless pursuits, like vowing you will buy next year's Christmas presents in the New Year sales. It somehow never happens.

Anybody at the final big pre-season test at Barcelona this week may have enjoyed a short-term giggle as Lewis seemed to be struggling with the new car, but you can bet your subscription to Autocar that they will be as sizzling as the weather at Albert Park on 29 March.


http://www.autocar.c...ff-mclaren.aspx

Does this guy still have any credibility?

Edited by Pegaso, 16 May 2009 - 16:30.


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Posted 16 May 2009 - 14:40

Are you taking about the same Alan Henry that wrote this during the pre-season?



http://www.autocar.c...ff-mclaren.aspx

Does this guy still have any credibility?


:lol: :lol:
This man must wish he had some behind sight about this season! His report has the reading of a public relations study.

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Posted 16 May 2009 - 17:43

f1 racing is a strange magazine these days. the middle bit is really strong, usually 2-3 really good articles in there (gascoyne interview last issue), but the beginning and end are just pathetic. get some proper news analysis in at the front of the magazine, and some decent race preview/reviews at the end, and i might consider buying it more often.

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Posted 16 May 2009 - 18:11

In defence of F1 Racing, when I canned my subscription I thought it was really quite disjointed and lacking focus.

But it does appear to be evolving into something more substantial than it was under Bishop.



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Posted 16 May 2009 - 18:18

The fly in that ointment is the free news aggregators. That's where the battle will be.


Spot on Ross.

If you or anyone is interested, below is the original piece about internet news sites becoming pay sites again.

Is mostly a rallying cry against the BBC's dominance online thanks to licence payer's cash. Interesting bit about Murdoch is halfway down...

http://www.thisislon... web/article.do

And an argument rebutting Duncan's piece from Shane Richmond in the Torygraph.

http://blogs.telegra...ng_up_pay_walls

I actually paid to subscribe to autosport.com for ages and was actually quite annoyed when it suddenly become free again.

Will be interesting to see how things play out in the years ahead.

Edited by potmotr, 16 May 2009 - 18:19.


#397 BigWicks

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Posted 16 May 2009 - 23:04

big problem for everyone involved in these industries is that information can be spread so easily these days, not much they can do about it

#398 Imperial

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Posted 17 May 2009 - 09:59

If they are talking about restricting articles to paying visitors then I see no problem with that. The writers have to earn a living somehow.

If it's general news then there are plenty of mechanisms available that will see journalists be paid but TV viewers/online readers still able to view their content for 'free'. You have to remember though the vagaries of who owns what in terms of internet providers. Do the major record labels and film studios really give a shit about people downloading their artists songs or their movies for free from the internet, when via a not-particularly complicated chain of companies and subsidiaries most of the major record labels and film studios own many of the worlds major internet providers anyway?

Is it such a huge issue for Warner Bros for Joe Bloggs to do a one-off download of the new Terminator movie for 'free' on his laptop when he might be paying £30 a month for his AOL-Time-Warner internet subscription, instead of making a once-a-year visit to the cinema to pay £7.50 to see the movie? It's not difficult to see why some of these companies have been less than vocal in the alleged fight against internet piracy. After all, there is a certain demographic who download most material and if you manage to restrict internet piracy 100% you'll simply find that demographic cancel their internet subscriptions or reduce the amount they are paying so they get the slowest/cheapest connection possible.

The same principles apply to media outlets. Rupert Murdoch has a lot of internet interests, including near-domination of UK cable TV through BSkyB, through which...guess what...you can receive the internet. If you are using his internet (fair enough, provided via a deal with BT) then the issue of accessing content from one of his online companies becomes another issue altogether than it just being unfair that the BBC doesn't need to (in fact, can't) charge for it's online news site.

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#399 bradleyl

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Posted 17 May 2009 - 19:46

To respond to the various comments here to which I'm able to respond:

Turbo4, my understanding is that a percentage of the UK content must be kept in the local editions and then the decisions on the rest of it are down to the local editor. But I'm not an expert in this area and don't have any sales data.

BigWicks, interesting comments, thanks. The race reports are seen as a strong selling point, to be honest; they have to offer something different to Autosport and do that pretty effectively, I think. Concerning the request for news analysis, you have to remember that we're not working with instantaneous deadlines: for example, we go to press this Friday (and Sunday for the very last things) yet wouldn't be able to cover the current row over 2009 entries, for example, as the situation would have evolved so much by the time the piece hit the newsstands. So we aim to be a little offbeat and unexpected with the news, rather than doing a job that can be better done in a weekly mag, or on the web. Sorry if that doesn't work for you but it would be interesting to hear what you think could work better given those constraints.

Mattorgen/Pegaso, yes indeed, the same Alan Henry whose little finger knows more about F1 than most of us ever will. One bad call doesn't invalidate 40+ years of excellent, insightful reporting on the sport.

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#400 BigWicks

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Posted 17 May 2009 - 20:13

Concerning the request for news analysis, you have to remember that we're not working with instantaneous deadlines: for example, we go to press this Friday (and Sunday for the very last things) yet wouldn't be able to cover the current row over 2009 entries, for example, as the situation would have evolved so much by the time the piece hit the newsstands. So we aim to be a little offbeat and unexpected with the news, rather than doing a job that can be better done in a weekly mag, or on the web. Sorry if that doesn't work for you but it would be interesting to hear what you think could work better given those constraints.


i think you let yourself get swayed by the internet too easily. for sure i wouldn't expect you to try and compete with them on the news front, but theres a hell of a lot of info out there as a result of the internet, i think a well thought out news analysis/review section is a good way of putting recent events into context for the reader. i read other monthly sports publications and they do this very well.

at the moment pitpass feels like a collection of press releases (e.g. f1 game) and filler stories (e.g. drivers fines). for sure i can understand the direction you've gone, but whenever i buy an issue i am skipping straight to page 30 pretty much !