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#1 MOTORSPORT RESORT

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Posted 29 September 2000 - 00:33

We are searching /and /searching for any information on this front engined Formula Junior. "Poggi"
Designed by Ing Massimino, built during the early part of 1959..Sometimes regarded as the "Tec Mec" Formula Junior..Who knows anything about this car? Do any survive?
any photos? please e-mail them to; motorsport1@arrakis.es


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#2 Gerr

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Posted 29 September 2000 - 15:02

Road&Track, April 1960, page 60 has three large photos of the TecMec/Poggi FJ.


#3 Don Capps

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Posted 29 September 2000 - 15:40

I have found that the magazines of this period are full of wonderful and long forgotten FJ's. Thanks, Gerr, for the lead.

#4 Felix Muelas

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Posted 29 September 2000 - 16:21

Using Cowdrey's Appendix 1 -compiled by Alan Putt-, there should be additional pics of the Poggi, apart from the ones pointed out by Gerr, to be found in :

-Autosport, 11dec59, page 761
-Autosport, 15apr60, page 506
-MotorRacing, 1jun59, page 435
-MotorRacing, 1jun60, page 204

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#5 John Cross

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Posted 29 September 2000 - 18:03

No pictures, but Hodges says that the Poggi was yet another racing car from Modena, front engined, designed by Eugenio Poggi with some input from Massimino (who had left Stanguellini at the beginning of 1959 as the first Poggi was about to take shape). It had a tubular frame, unequal-length wishbone front suspension and live rear axle with (unusually) cantilever quarter-elliptic springs. It had a Fiat 1100cc engine and Fiat gearbox. The first car appeared in the spring of 1959, the last of a handful built came out a year later.[p][Edited by John Cross on 09-30-2000]

#6 Roger Clark

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Posted 29 September 2000 - 21:24

The two Autosport references contain the same picture! It looks rather like a 1960 FJ Lola. I can'tpost a picture, but I can e-mail it to anyone who wants.

#7 MOTORSPORT RESORT

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Posted 29 September 2000 - 21:32

RODGER CLARK; Please e-mail us your photo...
powertech1@arrakis,es

and if anyone else has any photo's please forward...
Thanks,
,...Peter

#8 Felix Muelas

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Posted 29 September 2000 - 21:38

Roger,

Similar problem at this end. I scanned GerrĀ“s suggestion, (Road & Track) but was unable to post it.
So I did send it directly to Peter at MOTORSPORTRESORT, hoping he can post them !

I will appreciate if you send me a copy of your scan. If the pics I send are not posted (and you are interested) I will reciprocate.
:-)
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#9 Ray Bell

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Posted 30 September 2000 - 14:33

One of the interesting things about the Stanguellinis was their lateral location of the rear axle. The used two cables... what did the Poggi have?

#10 MOTORSPORT RESORT

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Posted 30 September 2000 - 21:28

Ray; this is what I got from: Felix Muelas, a copy from a magazine ad, I have no idea how to place it on this form?? Perhaps it's something the host can help us all with. Maybe some easy instructions... As I think alot of readers want to place photos etc. on this thread, but how you do it, without being a pilot, I have no idea..???
Anyway Ray, from the sales advert of the; (Tec Mec) "Poggi"

"The rear suspension is by quarter elliptic spring, and radious rods, parallel to the longitudinial axis of the car, the telescopic dampers are "Sea Legged" at the rear...
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Ray; what is "Sea Legged"? (I think I met her?)
...Peter

#11 Ray Bell

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Posted 01 October 2000 - 10:18

Sea-legged?!?
Never heard the term, except in relation to drunks and other nefarious types...
Nothing in that description, either, about lateral location.
If you scan the pics and email them to me, I'll post them for you. Please save them as jpg files, scan at about 100dpi.

#12 Felix Muelas

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Posted 01 October 2000 - 21:42

Meanwhile...

I think I finally found the way...
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#13 MOTORSPORT RESORT

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Posted 01 October 2000 - 22:13

BOY! She's got great "Sea Leg's" Other than that, a good looking car,was it fast, and competive, and how many were built, do any exist?
thanks Felix;

...Peter

#14 Ray Bell

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Posted 02 October 2000 - 10:40

I can't help but to look at this thing and recognise that Formula Jr was stuffed up by the rear engined revolution. The cars were so much simpler in the front-engined form, live rear axles, regular gearboxes, more conventional parts could be used.
Of course, they would have been cut off in their prime had it been regulated to keep the engine in the front, but the development of Clubman cars in both Australia and England shows that competitiveness and lap times might not have been so bad with such a restriction.
Can anyone pick if the 'sea-legged' might mean one to the front and the other to the rear of the axle? It doesn't look like it to me, but it could be an explanation...

#15 Barry Lake

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Posted 02 October 2000 - 14:09

My guess is "sea-legged" simply means sloping inwards at the top/out at the bottom, as opposed to being upright.

#16 Ray Bell

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Posted 03 October 2000 - 10:54

So normal it's overlooked as being so described... good thinking, Barry.
Any more thoughts on the lateral location?