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#101 Ruf

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 20:00

Originally posted by craftverk

You're mixing arrogance with truth and confidence. :down:

II'm not. This is an obvious case of delusional and arrogant paranoia.

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#102 craftverk

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 20:03

Originally posted by Ruf
II'm not. This is an obvious case of delusional and arrogant paranoia.

Pole position, a 6.8 second lead, delusional? Tsk tsk :down:

#103 Ruf

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 20:07

Originally posted by jesee
If that is not destroying your opposition i dont what it is.

Look, in the race the only thing he destroyed were two multimillion cars. A McLaren and a Ferrari. I am not arguing that he "destroyed" the oposition before the race (altough I would but that's another story), I am arguing with his comments that he destroyed everyone when in fact he literally destroyed two cars, while being in third place.

#104 Anomnader

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 20:10

Originally posted by Ruf
Look, in the race the only thing he destroyed were two multimillion cars. A McLaren and a Ferrari. I am not arguing that he "destroyed" the oposition before the race (altough I would but that's another story), I am arguing with his comments that he destroyed everyone when in fact he literally destroyed two cars, while being in third place.


hhhhmmmm, what a turn around, in Monaco, wasn't it all luck Lewis for safety car, no slight notification that the safety car destroyed his at that time in this race, nor the fact he was pulling 0.5 - 0.7 a lap

#105 Johny Bravo

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 20:10

Anomnader - a hypocrite or a sore loser?

#106 craftverk

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 20:13

Originally posted by Ruf
I am not arguing that he "destroyed" the oposition before the race (altough I would but that's another story), I am arguing with his comments that he destroyed everyone.

That says it all then.

#107 steelyman

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 20:18

Originally posted by Johny Bravo
Anomnader - a hypocrite or a sore loser?


if a thread/poll is started on this make sure you include both so i can vote too

#108 Ruf

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 20:20

Originally posted by craftverk

That says it all then.

Reading comprehension --?

#109 craftverk

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 20:22

Originally posted by Ruf
Reading comprehension --?

what are you getting at?

#110 Anomnader

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 20:25

Originally posted by craftverk

what are you getting at?


I think he is getting confused about the safety car vs the action on the track when lewis was pulling away quite well.

#111 George Bailey

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 20:28

Originally posted by Anomnader


Two completely different things which result in the same result


Like death by natural causes, and murder. I can't believe some people think they both don't deserve the same penalty. Rock on Anomnader!

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 20:30

Spunout

So Kimi was wrong in saying he took his eyes off the road and that it was his fault.

Some of you would argue with GOD.

#113 Anomnader

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 20:31

Originally posted by George Bailey


Like death by natural causes, and murder. I can't believe some people think they both don't deserve the same penalty. Rock on Anomnader!



hmmm I don't think penalty was even up for discussion here, but thank you for your participation and have a nice day.

#114 Konsta

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 20:32

Originally posted by Anomnader


I have not read these news stories, please correct my ignorance.


From Autosport: "He added: "I said I am sorry for him and his team because probably they are not going to be often in the position to score a fourth position. Plus it was in Monaco. So it was harder for him than for me, but it was a racing incident and I could not go anywhere. There wasn't much space and I could not slow down."

No if´s there ;)

#115 BMW_F1

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 20:35

what comes around goes around - they were both driver errors (Kimi at Monaco / Lewis in Canada) although different but both avoidable thus the two who had to suffer the consequences should be upset..

#116 F1Johnny

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 20:36

Originally posted by SlateGray


Ham said "IF" That is no apology

Try again ham


You are referring to the what he said to the press. What I quoted suggested to me that he personally apologised to Kimi, in the same way that Haug apologized to Domenicali.

#117 imaginesix

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 20:36

Originally posted by Bernd Rosemeyer
No, Kimi should shut up. Yes, he was crashed, but one race ago he crashed another car as well. :down: Come on Kimi, stop whining, be a man.

So, "do as I say, not as I do" kind of thing then?

#118 potmotr

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 20:39

Originally posted by mav


Monaco was a racing incident. Canada was just a plain stupid mistake by Hamilton.

And Hamilton's arrogant and non-conciliatory attitude towards this doesn't really help matters either.


Oh, come on. I like Kimi but both incidents were caused by the same thing - the driver not paying enough attention and screwing up. Raikkonen did it in Monaco, lost it under braking and destroyed Sutil's race. Hamilton had it set in his mind that he was about to accelerate back onto the track and didn't consider the red light.

Both incidents are caused by the same thing and should be treated equally.

#119 BMW_F1

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 20:41

Do I read correctly.. ?

People are claiming Kimi was not at fault in Monaco.. and that his car snapped from under his control.. ? :eek:

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#120 potmotr

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 20:41

Originally posted by pingu666
bash threads only allowed on hami, massa and alonso, sorry :wave:


Ain't that the truth. Target St. Ferrari and the Right Hon. Kimi Raikkonen and you are asking for trouble.
Both Raikkonen and Hamilton made grave mistakes and slammed into a competitor ending their races.
They're equally to blame.

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 20:45

Originally posted by jesee


I dont know on what channel you were tuning to, but mine showed hami getting pole with sixtenths advantage over the next on the grid. If that is not destroying your opposition i dont what it is. It is a long time since there was such a huge difference in qualifying. In race, lewis was almost 7secs clear of kubica before the safety car. That was a gain of nearly half a second per lap over kubica alone! That is what dominating is. Pity the safety car and lewis stupid mistake we never know what the results would have been...but one thing is for sure...mclaren were dominant in montreal b4 that pit incident with lewis.


You have it all ass backwards sonny.

To dominate you have to finish
everyone that finished in Montreal kicked ham's butt

So far the only thing the hamster can do well is "almost win" be it the race or the WDC, he is very very good at would-a should-a could-a
But when it comes to getting the job done, as a real champion should, he sucks big time :p

to finish first, first you must finish

smallest g trap :lol:

wrong button :lol:

wrong button (again) :lol:

Alonso's buckside (x2) :lol: :lol:

Kimi's buckside :lol:

Will the hamster find a new way to screw up in france? After all he is a master at screwing up.

#122 craftverk

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 20:47

Originally posted by BMW_F1
Do I read correctly.. ?

People are claiming Kimi was not at fault in Monaco.. and that his car snapped from under his control.. ? :eek:

Well I'm sure Raikkonen wouldn't have apologized if he had nothing to do with it. Every other car seemed to be able to know where that damp patch was and control their car over it. Kimi also came off at St. Devote.

To be honest, I think they are both mistakes, but I'm not bashing on anyone for them. Time to move on and get back into reality.

#123 BMW_F1

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 20:49

Originally posted by craftverk

Well I'm sure Raikkonen wouldn't have apologized if he had nothing to do with it. Every other car seemed to be able to know where that damp patch was and control their car over it. Kimi also came off at St. Devote.

To be honest, I think they are both mistakes, but I'm not bashing on anyone for them. Time to move on and get back into reality.


correct.. :up:

thread should be closed.

#124 MaxScelerate

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 20:56

Originally posted by SlateGray

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Will the hamster find a new way to screw up in france? After all he is a master at screwing up.

Gosh, you could be irritating.

I really prefered the time you used to defend a driver than that new passion of yours. :

#125 SlateGray

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 21:00

Originally posted by MaxScelerate

Gosh, you could be irritating.

I really prefered the time you used to defend a driver than that new passion of yours. :


Sorry, can't resist when the ham's fan-children come out asking for it I just cannot help myself. :blush:

#126 Anomnader

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 21:05

Originally posted by SlateGray


Sorry, can't resist when the ham's fan-children come out asking for it I just cannot help myself. :blush:


and you get a prize for failing to spot something so obvious it could knock you out.

#127 as65p

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 21:06

Originally posted by SlateGray


To dominate you have to finish


You have to understand that he's going for a truly unique record: "driver who dominated the most races (destroying everyone in the process) without finishing".

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#128 Victor

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 21:11

Anomnader - An idiot?

#129 potmotr

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 21:13

Originally posted by MaxScelerate

Gosh, you could be irritating.

I really prefered the time you used to defend a driver than that new passion of yours. :


I added SlateGray to my ignore list a long time ago.
It has made my BB experience a lot less irritating.

#130 Anomnader

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 21:17

Originally posted by Victor
Anomnader - An idiot?


Just making a point that some posters will rip apart any statement by some drivers, analysing every word that they say, any that gets reported by and asked for by news reporters and twisting it in everyway that they can.

And yet, if its about another driver....this disappears and a new total set of rules come into existence.
Strangely a large percentage are both from the same people.

#131 Spunout

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 21:18

Originally posted by BMW_F1
Do I read correctly.. ?

People are claiming Kimi was not at fault in Monaco.. and that his car snapped from under his control.. ? :eek:


There are always such people around. But don´t be so quick to point fingers. I can remember you defending some of Montoya´s blunders, claiming he wasn´t to blame. USGP 2006, etc.

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 21:20

Originally posted by Anomnader


Two completely different things which result in the same result


ok, thanks, you've just said it yourself : TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS!!!
So what's your f..'in problem comparing them??

#133 BMW_F1

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 21:21

Originally posted by Spunout


There are always such people around. But don´t be so quick to point fingers. I can remember you defending some of Montoya´s blunders, claiming he wasn´t to blame. USGP 2006, etc.


I wasn't here in 2006.. :rolleyes:

but regardless the JPM/ Kimi Indy 06 crash look more like a racing incident to me than Kimi's incident at Monaco. Lots of touches happen during the first laps on a GP specially on tight corners when all cars are all bunched up together..

#134 valachus

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 21:22

This thread brings out two major defects of the forum BB script:
1. Posts by users in one's ignore list will still appear as quoted by others.
2. Threads started by users in one's ignore list will still appear in the index page.

#135 Spunout

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 21:23

Originally posted by BMW_F1


I wasn't here in 2006.. :rolleyes:


Really?;)

#136 Anomnader

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 21:24

Originally posted by denthierry


ok, thanks, you've just said it yourself : TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS!!!
So what's your f..'in problem comparing them??


Hey, guess what! I havn't in this thread!

#137 BMW_F1

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 21:26

Originally posted by Spunout


Really?;)


really..

#138 F1Johnny

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 21:29

Originally posted by MaxScelerate

Gosh, you could be irritating.

I really prefered the time you used to defend a driver than that new passion of yours. :


He has transformed into a monster. The irony is, he refers to LH as a blowhard, loudmouth etc, etc. And every chance he gets he blows harder. The criticism has become so banal and childish with nothing constructive. The post you referenced is a small bit of what he puts out each day.

Yesterday, he actually put something on here that I agreed with and thought he was on the mend, but alas, I was wrong.

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 21:30

These quotes which were released today are taken from Kimi's columns which he has only begun doing since joining Ferrari last year. He had to give his comments after the race for the press. And obviously, there would be a Canadian review column so you really think he wasn't going to mention a significant part of his weekend?

He's said it himself - he's done and dusted with what happened, why can't some people do the same instead of rubbishing around for recycled quotes every hour just to justify their ranting.

And Kimi was more than generous with Lewis when they got out their cars, you could see Lewis was shitting himself and turned away. He was expecting getting a beating, because HE knows HE messed up. But still, the media pressure on him never allows him to fully admit his errors and be humble about it.

A hypocrite Kimi certainly is not. He hit the nail on the head after the race saying this:
http://www.viddler.c...star/videos/78/

That should've shut everyone up.

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#140 Anomnader

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 21:31

Originally posted by valachus
This thread brings out two major defects of the forum BB script:
1. Posts by users in one's ignore list will still appear as quoted by others.
2. Threads started by users in one's ignore list will still appear in the index page.


What it does also highlight is the two faced nature of many posters, look at yourself, by your post you'd think you was some upstanding and yet your sig carrys a statement where you try and make a mockery of other people and who they support.

#141 Spunout

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 21:32

Originally posted by BMW_F1


but regardless the JPM/ Kimi Indy 06 crash look more like a racing incident to me than Kimi's incident at Monaco. Lots of touches happen during the first laps on a GP specially on tight corners when all cars are all bunched up together..


See? You cannot resist defending Montoya, who screwed up and took his teammate out. It is no different for crazy Räikkönen fanboys, who claim Monaco wasn´t his fault at all. Or crazy Hamilton fanboys who try to excuse him for bigger blunder than aforementioned cases put together.

Hamilton fans even use YOUR favourite excuse ("he had nowhere to go" - after braking too late, that is).

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 21:42

Oh dear oh dear. This thread is nothing but personal bashing and insults. Are you guys ready vor ze punishment? This thread is now closed.

Anyone wanting to make a constructive contribution to the Hamilton-Kimi incident discussion, please continue here:

http://forums.autosp...326#post3173326