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#1 SirSaltire

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 14:36

Bernie up to his usual tricks in this article. I don't think Bernie ever says something without an ulterior motive. So what is he up to this time? :

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#2 Josta

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 14:38

Originally posted by SirSaltire
Bernie up to his usual tricks in this article. I don't think Bernie ever says something without an ulterior motive. So what is he up to this time? :


What is wrong with him telling the truth?

#3 SeanValen

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 14:42

Originally posted by Josta


What is wrong with him telling the truth?




He's cried wolf more times then some countaries populations, so it's in our dna evolution to be suspious when faced with Bernie's truth days.

Remember he's not like other human beings, he's something else out of a horror novel waiting to be filmed, but would probabley be banned.

The man is the scariest spider and business brain.



#4 SirSaltire

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 14:43

Originally posted by Josta


What is wrong with him telling the truth?

If he thinks its the truth then I have no problem. He may well be right. I didn't start this as a LH bashing thread, I just wondered if anyone had any thoughts/insight as to why Bernie would 'stir it up'. :D

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 14:47

Originally posted by SirSaltire
Bernie up to his usual tricks in this article. I don't think Bernie ever says something without an ulterior motive. So what is he up to this time? :


That would be aimed at all the new fans that Lewis has brought to the sport: you think Lewis is good? watch those other two!!

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 14:55

He´s a promoter. It´s his job to stir the pot and create interest.

#7 SirSaltire

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 16:10

Originally posted by ex Rhodie racer
He´s a promoter. It´s his job to stir the pot and create interest.

Is that what he is doing? Trying to make some headlines by giving a 'juicy' soundbite?

#8 BMW_F1

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 16:15

I like this part the most..

"If you saw him in a McLaren or a Ferrari, I think I'd put my money on him blowing away Hamilton,

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 16:15

Originally posted by SirSaltire
Is that what he is doing? Trying to make some headlines by giving a 'juicy' soundbite?

Exactly!

And it doesn't involve Max's bottom...

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 16:19

Originally posted by SirSaltire
Is that what he is doing? Trying to make some headlines by giving a 'juicy' soundbite?


I agree. He wants the Lewis/Fernando sequel, talking up Fernando to help him get a better drive.

"I don't think there is any doubt about that" - well there is obviously a lot of doubt about who is quicker, whichever side you're on.

And Kubi "blowing away" Hammy? Don't think so!

Bernie didn't mention Kimi, I notice, does he see FA at Ferrari?

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 16:27

Originally posted by undersquare


I agree. He wants the Lewis/Fernando sequel, talking up Fernando to help him get a better drive.

"I don't think there is any doubt about that" - well there is obviously a lot of doubt about who is quicker, whichever side you're on.

And Kubi "blowing away" Hammy? Don't think so!

Bernie didn't mention Kimi, I notice, does he see FA at Ferrari?


sure, there isn't a remote possibility that he actually thinks that Alonso and Kubica are better than Lewis.. not a chance right?

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 16:40

Originally posted by BMW_F1


sure, there isn't a remote possibility that he actually thinks that Alonso and Kubica are better than Lewis.. not a chance right?


Now now!! :rotfl: I just said there is doubt about Lewis vs. Fernando, and that it's not credible that Bernie really thinks Kubi would "blow away" (as in, be a lot lot faster than) Lewis.

Bearing in mind that Bernie was going nuts in Brazil, first saying how much better LH was going to be as wdc than KR/FA, then afterwards laying into McLaren for their idiot tyre strategy.

Personally I think they're all terrific, I'm really looking forward to the competition.

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 16:40

"Because if he didn't ask and he wasn't told, he would have assumed he was.

Having a guy that's never been in a F1 car in the team with him, he'd expect to be number one wouldn't he?"


1. Assuming your #1 is just plain STUPID and would show a child-like mentality.
2. He can "expect" anything. That doesn't mean it to be true now does it.

The whole article is ridiclous assumption after ridiclous assumption on Bernie's part.

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 16:44

Originally posted by undersquare


Now now!! :rotfl: I just said there is doubt about Lewis vs. Fernando, and that it's not credible that Bernie really thinks Kubi would "blow away" (as in, be a lot lot faster than) Lewis.


why? because he went nuts in Brazil with Lewis.. We don't know what he thinks about Kubica so.. ? Actually we do now. I also predicted Lewis would be a WDC someday but I said the same thing about Kubica when I saw him race in Monza two years ago...

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 17:12

:confused: I'm sorry, after seeing Kubica struggle to beat Nick for two years running, it's a tall ask to expect Kubica to blow Lewis away. BMW built a really fine machine this year and Kubica's handling it better than Nick, in qualifying, at least.

Truth be told, however, it's hard to judge driver's speed. I though Montoya was pretty damned good until he got waxed by Raikonnen. Thought Kimi was pretty good, but he's failed to dominate Massa. If Schumi was in that Ferrari, he'd have won at least 4 races already. Despite the fact that I don't have the powers to "foretell," that's not being unreasonable at all. The ferrari is a rocket.

That being said, Kubica's in the lead because he'd been rock solid and hasn't made the comedy of errors his competitors have made all season long. BI don't think he is faster than Lewis or FA. The Jury's out on Kimi because it's clear that he's struggling in Qualies, while usually faster in the races. I thought he'd be good enough to have solved those problems by now, but with talk about potential retirement next year, it's clear he's not dedicated enough.

We'll see where Kubica ends up, year end!

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 18:02

Originally posted by undersquare


I agree. He wants the Lewis/Fernando sequel, talking up Fernando to help him get a better drive.

"I don't think there is any doubt about that" - well there is obviously a lot of doubt about who is quicker, whichever side you're on.

And Kubi "blowing away" Hammy? Don't think so!

Bernie didn't mention Kimi, I notice, does he see FA at Ferrari?

I think you are right. Bernie has a great habit of saying things that no-one else would get away with - He is the master at it. Maybe he is also trying to put Hamilton in his place a bit. I think the media (even in the UK) are starting to see a driver get above himself a bit. Lewis is a tremendous talent but I think his attitude lately is starting to wind the F1 circus up a bit.

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 18:11

Originally posted by SirSaltire
I think you are right. Bernie has a great habit of saying things that no-one else would get away with - He is the master at it. Maybe he is also trying to put Hamilton in his place a bit. I think the media (even in the UK) are starting to see a driver get above himself a bit. Lewis is a tremendous talent but I think his attitude lately is starting to wind the F1 circus up a bit.


all he really does thou is perpetuate forum arguments.....

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 18:14

Kubica is the flavor of the day. We'll see if people still rate him as the best after he had suffered one or two DNFs.

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 18:31

Originally posted by SirSaltire
I think you are right. Bernie has a great habit of saying things that no-one else would get away with - He is the master at it. Maybe he is also trying to put Hamilton in his place a bit. I think the media (even in the UK) are starting to see a driver get above himself a bit. Lewis is a tremendous talent but I think his attitude lately is starting to wind the F1 circus up a bit.


Lewis is in so many ways the answer to Bernie's prayers. The only thing slightly missing so far this year is a really hot rivalry, Bernie is putting some pieces in place...

Fernando in a Ferrari is a sure fire fix for that problem next year :rotfl: , also Kubi is a dominant driven character who is bound to fall out with Lewis and/or Fernando if they're in comparable cars.

I don't think Bernie minds Lewis acting the star, quite the opposite I suspect :p .

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 18:37

Originally posted by SirSaltire
I think you are right. Bernie has a great habit of saying things that no-one else would get away with - He is the master at it.


You mean like comparing women to white goods? Bernie is cool IMHO.

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 18:37

Originally posted by BMW_F1


why? because he went nuts in Brazil with Lewis.. We don't know what he thinks about Kubica so.. ? Actually we do now. I also predicted Lewis would be a WDC someday but I said the same thing about Kubica when I saw him race in Monza two years ago...


I'm not trying to argue Lewis is faster. I'm just saying whatever differences there are between them, Bernie can't seriously believe he's miles slower than the others. So, that tells us he's saying things for effect, as he does.

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 19:04

Bernie on Kimi: His hunger for the wins is not big enough.

Kimi: I don't remember when I had such a great lust for winning.

:drunk:

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 19:07

Originally posted by giacomo
Kubica is the flavor of the day. We'll see if people still rate him as the best after he had suffered one or two DNFs.

Depends if it's mechanical or driver error. I agree it wouldn't matter in terms of people's perception as results count more then how you got them in F1, sadly.

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 20:56

I think the most telling part of that article is the bit about "...77..." It says a lot about a mans judgement and ideals.

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 06:46

When buttonholed and asked a good question, Bernie says what comes out. And he's not dumb.

Several drivers, if planted into Ferrari or McLaren equipment, would plaster the competition like Tyson in his glory years.

Not gonna happen, so no need to worry.

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 07:32

I think Bernie just enjoys making controversial comments.

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 07:47

I'm not sure about Kubica but he is spot on with his remarks about Fred and Lewis.

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 08:00

I think Bernie is right

#29 Rinehart

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 08:03

Originally posted by SirSaltire
Bernie up to his usual tricks in this article. I don't think Bernie ever says something without an ulterior motive. So what is he up to this time? :



He needs Alonso in a competitive car for marketing, F1 prestige and good TV ratings and I think he might be worried that Alonso will not be in a top car again next year - either that or he's just giving his opinion.

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 08:06

Originally posted by BMW_F1
I like this part the most..

"If you saw him in a McLaren or a Ferrari, I think I'd put my money on him blowing away Hamilton,


Me too, in fact i reckon Kubica will blow them all away, not just Lewis.

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 20:11

Just Bernie doing his best Don King impression thats all

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 20:34

Originally posted by BMW4life
:confused: I'm sorry, after seeing Kubica struggle to beat Nick for two years running, it's a tall ask to expect Kubica to blow Lewis away. BMW built a really fine machine this year and Kubica's handling it better than Nick, in qualifying, at least.

Truth be told, however, it's hard to judge driver's speed. I though Montoya was pretty damned good until he got waxed by Raikonnen. Thought Kimi was pretty good, but he's failed to dominate Massa. If Schumi was in that Ferrari, he'd have won at least 4 races already. Despite the fact that I don't have the powers to "foretell," that's not being unreasonable at all. The ferrari is a rocket.

That being said, Kubica's in the lead because he'd been rock solid and hasn't made the comedy of errors his competitors have made all season long. BI don't think he is faster than Lewis or FA. The Jury's out on Kimi because it's clear that he's struggling in Qualies, while usually faster in the races. I thought he'd be good enough to have solved those problems by now, but with talk about potential retirement next year, it's clear he's not dedicated enough.

We'll see where Kubica ends up, year end!



Agreed on all points. Excellent post.

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 20:54

not really 2 years was it? In 2007 ok, but in 2006 he only drove 6 races and then he was showing to be faster than Nick (not fully reflected in the results though).

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 20:55

Originally posted by BMW4life
:confused: I'm sorry, after seeing Kubica struggle to beat Nick for two years running, it's a tall ask to expect Kubica to blow Lewis away. BMW built a really fine machine this year and Kubica's handling it better than Nick, in qualifying, at least.

Truth be told, however, it's hard to judge driver's speed. I though Montoya was pretty damned good until he got waxed by Raikonnen. Thought Kimi was pretty good, but he's failed to dominate Massa. If Schumi was in that Ferrari, he'd have won at least 4 races already. Despite the fact that I don't have the powers to "foretell," that's not being unreasonable at all. The ferrari is a rocket.

That being said, Kubica's in the lead because he'd been rock solid and hasn't made the comedy of errors his competitors have made all season long. BI don't think he is faster than Lewis or FA. The Jury's out on Kimi because it's clear that he's struggling in Qualies, while usually faster in the races. I thought he'd be good enough to have solved those problems by now, but with talk about potential retirement next year, it's clear he's not dedicated enough.

We'll see where Kubica ends up, year end!

I don't agree.
I really feel that Kubica has fully settled in this season and found his feet although I think he is benefiting from the car suiting his style of driving more than it is NH.
I do agree that MS would probably have won 4 races by now but as we all know he was ALWAYS shown preferance over whichever No2 driver he was with - that's not the case with KR or FM.

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 22:13

Bernie´s right.....

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 22:55

Sounds like tires is the bigger issue, last year Nick was fine with them, this year it's Robert. After all we're talking a spec formula here aren't we? Basically there is little technical difference between marques, mentally I just see them as EXTREMELY expensive Formula Fords or think of a Spec Formula you relate too. It takes a pretty musical ear to differentiate one from another.

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 23:14

Originally posted by David M. Kane
Sounds like tires is the bigger issue, last year Nick was fine with them, this year it's Robert. After all we're talking a spec formula here aren't we? Basically there is little technical difference between marques, mentally I just see them as EXTREMELY expensive Formula Fords or think of a Spec Formula you relate too. It takes a pretty musical ear to differentiate one from another.


Hmm, interesting. So you think that Kimi could win the championship in a Force India?

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Posted 19 June 2008 - 13:32

Originally posted by Josta


Hmm, interesting. So you think that Kimi could win the championship in a Force India?

Yes.
A Force India with a $500+ million budget for the last 15 years...no doubt YES.

#39 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 19 June 2008 - 13:46

:) not even then...watch toyota

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#40 SirSaltire

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Posted 19 June 2008 - 17:55

Gone off topic a bit have we not? No more theories as to Bernie's agenda?

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Posted 19 June 2008 - 18:29

he only said the truth :up:

'cos alonso is a average driver like hamilton.

that only can win with the best car