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#101 Italiano Tifoso

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 10:34

Originally posted by Blueray


You should know by now not to pay much attention to the Mclaren Information Minister. All season we have been hearing how close they are to ferrari and all the big steps they have taken but every race where Ferarri dont have problems they dominate Mclaren and nothings changed here. Hamilton looked to be 3 tenths slower and was all over the place doing it, and Heikki is even further behind. If Kimi had finished his lap he would have been 1 second ahead of heikki and I doubt hes much heavier.

The only team thats shown any real development progress this year has been Renault who have been taking big clear steps every few races. Mclaren is just hype and I actually think it wont be long until they are behind Renault.


I agree with you 100%

It was more a nice way of saying why must Whitmarsh sugar coat things? But if i say what you just did i get accussed of trolling when evidence suggests it is a fact.

I was hoping a Macca fan would come out and actually say..."Yeah, that guy Whitmarsh talks a lot of smack."
I guess we will be waiting quite some time for that.

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#102 Lord Snooty

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 11:21

Originally posted by Jaybee


The original forecast for severe thunderstorms seems to have been moderated to occasional showers. The band of rain heading for the Magny Cours region looks fairly narrow on the local radar and may miss the race area completely. Any heavier rain isn't due till after 6pm (French time) so I'd guess that rain will not play a big part in the race.


Thanks for that; it sounds like a dry race then, which, I suspect, may be a bit processional..

#103 Earthling

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 11:49

It was announced on Al Jazeera Sports that Bernie Eccelstone signed a 2 year deal extension for Magny-Cours. :|
Just need confirmation on this...

#104 Deeq

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 12:00

Hamilton is really in a sh!ty position...the beemers and his teammate as close neighbors...

#105 Deeq

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 12:10

HK encroached to let LH pass...

EDIT:
Drivethrough comming for Hamilton for illegal [chicane cutting] overtaking of Vettel..Not his day..and served :lol:

#106 Spunout

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 12:13

At this rate, Hamilton is going to ruin his tyres...

#107 Bloggsworth

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 12:18

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#108 DoubleWDC

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 12:18

Aren't team orders banned for McLaren?

#109 Bloggsworth

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 12:20

What a surprise!

#110 Deeq

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 12:23

Ferraris 1s faster than anyone else! Jarno outclassing Fernando!...and he is heavier :drunk:

#111 airwise

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 12:23

FIA ****!

WTF is a driver supposed to do?

Go off line and avoid an accident or cause a high speed crash?



One more bollox decision and I'm done with this crooked sport.

#112 Deeq

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 12:24

Originally posted by airwise
FIA ****!

WTF is a driver supposed to do?

Go off line and avoid an accident or cause a high speed crash?



One more bollox decision and I'm done with this crooked sport.


Perhaps give the place back? :rolleyes:

#113 Spunout

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 12:25

Originally posted by airwise
FIA ****!

WTF is a driver supposed to do?

Go off line and avoid an accident or cause a high speed crash?


Slow down = don´t gain an advantage. No penalty.

#114 Deeq

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 12:28

Hamilton :eek:

#115 CWeil

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 12:31

He's already made contact with both Kovalainen and Alonso thus far during the race. Eek.

#116 MrAerodynamicist

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 12:33

There's a quote in Futurama: “When you do things right, people won’t be sure you’ve done anything at all.”. That certainly doesn't apply to the FIA. Unfortunately they seem to have backed themselves in to a corner where they can't go five minutes without sticking their fingers in. Contrast that with Le Mans where they managed to go 24hrs without too much controversy...

#117 Deeq

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 12:36

Canada boyz fightingout..at 18th :lol:

How did Kova overtake Pique?

#118 Spunout

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 12:36

Originally posted by MrAerodynamicist
There's a quote in Futurama: “When you do things right, people won’t be sure you’ve done anything at all.”. That certainly doesn't apply to the FIA. Unfortunately they seem to have backed themselves in to a corner where they can't go five minutes without sticking their fingers in. Contrast that with Le Mans where they managed to go 24hrs without too much controversy...


Replace the white lines with solid walls, then. Problem solved.

Mind you, Le Mans is different type of racing. Bad comparison :)

#119 Deeq

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 12:40

TVVVV director :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

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#120 MrAerodynamicist

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 12:40

Not walls, but grass or gravel.

It's a mindset not a type of racing that's too blame. Like our current Labour Governement, the problems is that the FIA are too prone to a mix of moddlecoddling and micromanagement.

#121 Deeq

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 12:41

Vettel how did that happen? :eek: 4th and harrasing the Toyota...yeah he is piting now...

#122 HP

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 12:42

Originally posted by karlth


We don't know McLaren's ultimate pace after qualifying. Hamilton had a very bad lap and Kovalainen is probably very heavy.

Now we know that Kova wasn't heavy.

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 12:43

Originally posted by Deeq


Perhaps give the place back? :rolleyes:


He was in front before the corner - Vettel should have backed off.

#124 Deeq

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 12:45

Originally posted by airwise


He was in front before the corner - Vettel should have backed off.

Perhaps that has to do with you know Hamilton forgetting about his braking point...it happened a lot lately..THAT

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 12:46

Originally posted by airwise


He was in front before the corner - Vettel should have backed off.

Hamilton didn't run off track because of Vettel. That is one of the most important criteria in judiging this situation.

#126 jcbc3

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 12:49

Originally posted by HP
Hamilton didn't run off track because of Vettel. That is one of the most important criteria in judiging this situation.


They all run of the track at some points. There is only a penalty if they gain an advantage of doing so. IMO there should be conclusive evidence of that before accesing a penalty. I hope the stewards have that in this instance, because the tv pictures I have seen is in no way proof of that.

#127 Deeq

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 12:49

Rain? Massa is getting closer to Raikkonen

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 12:53

PIT : KR may have problem
FA : I am pushing

Kimi let Massa go..

Kimi may have to pit earlier..

#129 devil500

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 12:55

Ferrari has problems on Kimi's car...Body work is coming apart?

#130 pRy

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 12:55

How lucky is Hamilton? Looking like 2 races in a row Kimi has retired when Hamilton was set to score 0 points.. 20 points potentially saved in the WC race.

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 12:55

Shouldn't the stewards call Kimi in. That is a hell of a lot of metal for Bourdais to get in the head if it snaps.

#132 devil500

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 12:56

Originally posted by jcbc3
Shouldn't the stewards call Kimi in. That is a hell of a lot of metal for Bourdais to get in the head if it snaps.


It's literally turning into dust....Hopefully rain shakes this race up more :D

#133 lokiman

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 12:57

It's interesting that race control hasn't ordered Kimi into the pits to either have his exhaust fixed, or to have the car retired: the exhaust would appear to be a potential hazard, not only for the possibility that it will fly off the car, but a rear wing failure caused by heat damage could be disasterous.

#134 Clatter

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 12:57

Originally posted by jcbc3
Shouldn't the stewards call Kimi in. That is a hell of a lot of metal for Bourdais to get in the head if it snaps.


Yes they should.

#135 airwise

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 12:57

Williams putting the wrong tyre on Nico's front right :lol:

Priceless

#136 lokiman

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 12:59

Originally posted by Clatter


Yes they should.


Absolutely. That thing's flapping all over the bloody shop.

#137 HP

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 12:59

Originally posted by jcbc3


They all run of the track at some points. There is only a penalty if they gain an advantage of doing so. IMO there should be conclusive evidence of that before accesing a penalty. I hope the stewards have that in this instance, because the tv pictures I have seen is in no way proof of that.

If this goes unchecked, then I brake late, so that I am past a car before the corner. If I have to cut the corner, so what? Besides of removing the corner I don't think that's a feasable solution. And it always will be a debatable decision.

Nobody would attempt such maneuvres, if they know they are on a part of the track where going off the track costs time. That's the entire BS with chicances IMO.

Guess it's crash course on being smart for Hamilton. Giving back the position would have not cost him anything, as he still would have been stuck behind Piquet. That's hindsight, but that's what is to hope Hamilton will learn from this situation.

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:02

Originally posted by Clatter


Yes they should.


They daren't. The car is a Ferrari.

#139 Clatter

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:03

Originally posted by HP
If this goes unchecked, then I brake late, so that I am past a car before the corner. If I have to cut the corner, so what? Besides of removing the corner I don't think that's a feasable solution. And it always will be a debatable decision.

Nobody would attempt such maneuvres, if they know they are on a part of the track where going off the track costs time. That's the entire BS with chicances IMO.

Guess it's crash course on being smart for Hamilton. Giving back the position would have not cost him anything, as he still would have been stuck behind Piquet. That's hindsight, but that's what is to hope Hamilton will learn from this situation.


And yet some drivers are allowed to get away with far more flagrant offences. :rolleyes:


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#140 Deeq

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:04

Trulli POS #3 is secured!

Fernando very sensible..;)

#141 Clatter

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:06

Originally posted by Deeq
Trulli POS #3 is secured!


How do you work that one out?

#142 Deeq

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:09

Originally posted by Clatter


How do you work that one out?


The only one? to threaten was Kubica and he pited earlier...(unless Kova)

EDIT and he got Kova now. :p

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:11

Originally posted by Deeq


The only one? to threaten was Kubica and he pited earlier...(unless Kova)


So it's not secure yet then its it.

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:13

Originally posted by Clatter


So it's not secure yet then its it.


Yes it is.. :lol:;)

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:16

Originally posted by Clatter


And yet some drivers are allowed to get away with far more flagrant offences. :rolleyes:

So the FiA should be to Hamilton as lenient as they were with MS at times?

IMO That's the wrong approach. It was obvious that Michael wouldn't learn such things anymore so late in his career. Hamilton has still the time to work things out better. And it might be in the end all the better for Hamiltons career. He should win the championship some time. And we'd all be happy here if it's non controversial.

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:20

Originally posted by HP
So the FiA should be to Hamilton as lenient as they were with MS at times.

IMO That's the wrong approach. It was obvious that Michael wouldb't learn such things anymore so late in his career. Hamilton has still the time to work things out better. And it might be in the end all the better for Hamiltons career. He should win the championship some time. And we'd all be happy here if it's non controversial.


So because MS had been around a while it was OK to ignore his infraction?

Again it's not the penalties that are the problem, but the total lack of consistency in the way they are applied, and the way that certain teams/drivers are treated more leniently than others.

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:24

Guess FIA got lucky there.

Pathetic officiating.

#148 Clatter

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:25

So the piece of pipe finally flies off. Can't believe the stewards couldnt see the danger and allowed him to continue, or that the team didnt remove it at the stop.

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:26

Originally posted by Clatter


So because MS had been around a while it was OK to ignore his infraction?

No. But the FiA has a history to being softer on their star drivers. What did you expect?

Originally posted by Clatter
Again it's not the penalties that are the problem, but the total lack of consistency in the way they are applied, and the way that certain teams/drivers are treated more leniently than others.

We could debate that long a wide, but what does it solve? We both will enjoy F1 even less, and I don't think that's in our mutual interest. Let's just hope that Mosley will take his hat soon.

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:27

Mosley will come out and admonish the race stewards after this race I'm sure.